3D Space RTS fan. Searching for life outside the homeworld :)
...100 years ago, a satellite detected an object under the sands of the Great Desert.
An expedition was sent...
That was original HW1 baserunner of 1999. In 2003 it has changed a little bit:
Well, it could be counted as different machine of a different expedition, as there were at least two of them...
But then BBI developers have shown baserunner version of 2013, with some weaponry. Well, time was not so peaceful that time... But kinda interesting - is it some early stages of HW:DoK?..
And then in HWR artists used the same picture for HW1 and HW2, marking that it's the same expedition. And design has changed once again:
And in 2016 we will see final version - canonical (if we can say it about something that rewrites the very first game) - of baserunner.
Taiidani Republic Expeditionary Force frigate was attacked by Turanic Kingdom of Gun Doe forces with reconnaissance support of Frerrn Agregate Intelligence. That raises the question if king Gun Doe supports pirate groups of Turanic Raiders in Asyr region, and Frerrn interested in conflict escalation.
There was a funny moment in HW2 beginning: was told that the taii have JOINED the vaygr.
For me it's quite nonsense. Of course, the original HW/HWC script writer wrote a book where Russian & China have made united country (this script is one of the usual stupid beliefs about Russia, among the "bears walking in the cities" and balalaika, vodka, ushanka, perestroika), but he made the Taiidani Republic exist.
If we take the vay-gr as the chinese, and the taiidani as Soviet, now russians, does it make sence? Okey, for somebody - yes, but not for russians. These are two very different cultures. It's more likely that Russia joines the EU than the China, that already is hardly believable. I guess, the West simply misses that old understandable Cold War enemy. The China and the Islamic countries are quite chaotic, and it's unclear how to fight with country that makes you rich (low cost production), or with the religion, that calls it's zealots to conquer the infidels and denies all the Western values. The Soviets were so simple! :)
The same goes here: after these words I felt like V & T had such of a conversation:
- Hey, guys! Where are you going?
- To Hiigara!
- Oh, yeah? Take us with you!
Another one absolute evil. As the Taii Emperor, as the Turanic Raiders, as the T-Mat, as the Beast...
But okey. Actually, we can think of these words as the official Hiigarian propaganda. Like every country, it has the official position to this and that question, and tries to convince it's people that it is true - to make it easier to manipulate. It's not always bad, but usually it's not good. Like "everybody lies" (c) Dr. Haus.
Let's remember what happend when the Exiles returned from the Hegira. They did - what? - the same thing that the taiidans made with them. And again I really doubt that they could make the billion population world (the capitol of the Taii Empire!) disappear. They really did the same thing with the taiidanies, just more cruel.
They haven't let go the ones who were guilty of Kharak massacre. They made the taiidans - the ones that came from the other taii worlds, and the ones that were hiigarian descendants - the citizens of the 2nd sort (like it happened with russians in post-soviet republics), thus building the "Golden Billion" system and following the Siidim way - dividing people into pure and unpure gritiidims...
Of course, this circumstance was quite annoying to the new Taiidani Republic and it's people, but they needed this "formal non-aggression and co-operation pact" and further in-law relationships for normal existance in Galactic Council. But still, after the threat of the taii imperialists has dissappeared, everybody remembered that taiidani were empire once! And they could do it one more time! Especially, as many lords of taiidani empire assembly were presented in Republic government. So, no matter how tried, taiidans were bad...
So when the Makkan came, he said - "join us or die", and the taii imperialists agreed, as they were too weak to resist, and Makaan really represented their forgotten claim for Hiigara and Emperor. But the republicans were fighting - they had things to lose, but they could not resist the uberlong hyperspace jumps of Makaan fleet: while they were gathering fleet at one point, he was far away. And I think he made the same trick with taiidani, as the the taiidani made with Kharak: he said "Give up, or I will destroy the Taidan, your homeworld!"...
And thus came out that the taii have JOINED the vaygr...
After playing System Shock 2 Infinite, I've thought about Doom3. In some ways they are quite similar: dark corridors of human-built environment, survivalism, lockers with codes, computers and so on. Of course, these are two different type games: Doom3 is mostly one-way shooter, System Shock 2 mostly allows player to choose waypath, gameplay tactics and character skills development strategy.
But Doom3 has assets that could be used in some kind of System Shock remake. System Shock 1 was rereleased recently - but it's really old, and for modern players it's hard to get to it. There were tryings to get SS1 modernised via Revert3D engine by direct conversion, but it has no progress for a quite of a time. There's even remake of it called "Citadel", created on Unity5 engine. But the same as remakes of SS2 on other engines (Source, and most incredible - CryEngine realisation, that I'd recommend to llook on YouTube, hackkker), they could be blocked by IP owners.
And on the other hand there is Dark Mod - "Thief" inspired modification for Doom3, that became stand-alone free game. It took "thief" gameplay mechanics - and then there was only need for a new maps, that income quite frequently, if I'm not wrong. So, probably, while you copy concept of a gameplay it's quite OK, then when you make a direct plagiat. Why don't we use it for Doom3?
Imagine: you will have ability to hack lockers; medkit terminals will be modified not only to heal you, but also to upgrade your skills. Doom3 even has enough space for magic (a.k.a. psy-powers): remember the SOUL CUBE? or Demon Heart? Of course, you need to hold it in two hands, but in System Shock 2 and Bioshock it was the same thing, you coudn't hold weapon and use magic in the same time. Sure, we can make one-hand magic to combine it with pistol and flashlight.
There is game, similar to SS2 and BS1/2 by gamedesign of weaponry, it's Clive Barker's Undying (I'd really love to see it in redone in HD). So, we could take some scrye (night vision analogue), invoke (similar to control but with already dead ones - become the zombie master!) and scull storm - imagine flying head around you, going for any enemy in sight? There could be a lot magic in D3, so that Quake Guy would jump of the slipgate trying to kill you as he will think you're one of the Shambler witchers!
I already imagine this kind of powers:
So, for this idea there must be:
I don't like idea of player cannot use weapon if he has no skill of it - when STALKER developers thought on RPG system, they decided not to use it as anyway player would master his game skill along playing, but forcing player to play worse feels stupid. I believe that's why total weakness of Penumbra or althetime madness of Call of Cthulhu player feels weird - damn, you are armed with hammer and you can't kill fucking dog, which is same fragile as you are, actually?! damn, you see weird shit all the time, but you're still going mad? Probably, that's why I like Quake and Doom3 - you see crazy hellish/cthulhish/stroggish shit of your worst nightmares, but you gather your shit together and reload your shotgun again and again. In "Aliens vs. Predator" 1&2 player had both powerful guns and control over it, but still it was scary game.
I'd suppose something like that (SS2 inspired):
Quite simple isn't it? First triad is universal (it can even be setup at the beginning of the game, or thrown away to have predictable gameplay...), psychic skills allows you to cast better spells, technic skills allows you to maintain, modify and repair weapons. Psychic and technical skills are conditions for weapon and spell upgrade - you can use weapon or spell, but if you have not enough skill point, you would not be able to upgrade to 2nd or 3rd level, or even to modify if it's complex spell or weapon (BFG!).
Well, there can be invented something better, of course. Bioshock or similar game (like Dishonored) should be checked for ideas. But it's just a concept anyway.
Human brains are divided into two hemispheres, and though they are working together as one, each of hemispheres has it's preferences.
There were experiments on disabling brain hemispheres by electroshock, and it appeared that human being act quite different in these situations. For example, while only left hemisphere was working, human is very rational but unemotional; with right hemisphere active, human is very emotional and cannot speak much - due to the fact, that most of the memory abstract tags like words, numbers etc belong to left side of the brain.
This was approved by patients with brain damage or those, that had brain operation dividing major connection between hemispheres. Last one from now on felt like "double-persons" because of brains halves were functioning more independent. They had interesting effect: as hemispheres control opposite sides of the body, with their right hand they could only write, and with left hand they could draw, as right hemisphere is about right-here-right-now visual perception and left hemisphere about encoding in tags for past analysis and future prediction.
So same goes with the other senses: ears, eyes... For example, if you want to have better sense of you talking on phone, you have get your phone to the right ear, if you want to have better understanding of emotions expressed on the other side, you'd better listen to your phone by left ear. And I believe this should work with eyesight: it's connected to have one picture but still each eye has it's angle and ending point in hemisphere.
Getting back to UI, here comes some simple suggestion: so if left part of a picture belongs to visual perception of right-now moment, and right part of a picture belongs to analytics and prediction, then why don't UI is organised in natural way? So, leave left side for monitoring battlefield, minimap and , maybe, important unit current status. And right side leave for buttons, building and so on - something to operate with.
This also would cooperate with the fact the most of the human beings are right-handed, and that means while moving mouse it's faster and more convenient to operate within the area that could be circulated around monitor lower right corner as a center of a sector.
But of course, having convenient shortcut keys would make gamepaly even more pleasant for those who have passed introductionary course of a game and its UI :)
Well, we can see that there's very much attention to the Bible in the Homeworld - especially in the campaign part. And it's kind of confronting game manual. I'm very confused with it, really.
Authors merged too much senses together, so it's now quite unclear what their position was.
But destiny of Kadeshi is quite clear from this point of view.
While watching "The Double" I've managed to recall such films as "Brasil" and "The Dark City". Well, decorations reminded me of spaceships - System Shock 2, Pandorum, Event Horizon, Fallout bunker Nr. 13 (ok, not a spaceship) - dark, gloomy, everything is known for a long time, same persons, same places, restrictions and rules... Sounds like Kafka's hell - people just doing what they've been told, every day is exactly the same, society grows their children to obey, follow the rules to survive... Something like in "Captive Universe" of Harry Harrison. Or Ursula Le Guin novel, where habitants of colony ship started doubting if there is world outside the ship.
And if so, then people grown up in claustrophobic space would admire agoraphobic doors of The Great Hangar, separating them for the Great Wastelands of Cosmos (and Chaos same time), Nietzsche's Void that looks into your soul, while you look into the mirror...
Great sacrifices as a Great Goal.
HW1 was counting ships by unit per class - so much per fighter, so much per corvettes etc.
HWC was counting ships by crew - so much supports unit per one type of ship, so much per another type.
HW2 was counting ships by squadron numbers - so much units in squadrons, so much squadrons are allowed per class.
Squad system wasn't used only in HW2 - it was also seen in Haegemonia and WH40K:Dawn of War. Last one was also Relic's doing, and I liked it more then StarCraft, for example. :P
One of the things I liked there was squad improvements: like space marine squad could be converted to tank busters, shootah boyz, heavy unit killers and so on. Along this, squads could have a hero: create a mighty unit - something WarCraft3 influnced - and then just add it to the squad as an addition. Or make a sergeant. This way, quite weak squad of imperial guardsmen, for example, could be turned into something you need to be aware of.
As we see, we can count ships in HW in three ways - it's quite interesting how HW series inside itself has turned into genre experimental lab - by unit, by SU, by squadrons. And me find advantages in all three ways of counting ships (like sheep to the rhytm of the war drums...) - all three can be combined together making player head explode. Squadrons allows you control less while having the same numbers. Counting per class can limit unit number max count, and counting per unit would create variations of strategies for player (of course, then class limits alltogether should be a lot bigger then SU limit).
What am I aiming to? Well, like in big 4x TBS strategies, there should be squad constructor. Can be opened in-game, but better to construct your dream squad - with basic, advanced tactics, with formation selection, with units selected and their behaviour, random icon, before the game. Of course, if you setup squadrons with too complicated conditions - too expensive, too research-advanced, too much SU - then you might not get in-game. So, you will have to balance it yourself. From game developers it would require only to balance unit themselves, set price and SU for single units, mb, basic squads like in HW2. Of course, squadron prices won't be so round as they are now (350-500-550 etc).
Like in real life - you have basic squad of 8 men (NATO standard), but it can be enforced by machinegunner, grenade guy etc, increased its number to 12 or more - depending on the tasks to execute.
So, you would be able, to create squads of interceptors, strengthtened with defence fighters. Or Heavy Resolution squad of minelayer corvette, defenders and defence fighter to protect resource spot. Of course, you need to have control of separate units, but this, probably, could be done with solution of fleet tactics - you would be able to set single unit actions, but it won't excluded from the squadron.
Capital ship combination with strike craft would do nicely: ICF + Flak, or Missile Destroyer + bomber squadrons and support units of support frigate, repair corvette/worker, defence field frigate, defence fighter etc
Talking of support units - their behaviour needs to have separate triggers so they don't try to kill everyone instead of repairing or protecting units by force shield - less of micromanagement. They can be added in DoW way, actially - squad + support unit: not attacking with everyone, not guarding, not following, but supporting, doing their staff depending on specialization. And if this support unit is set up as part of squadron, it would be easier to understand what's going on the battlefield - to see not all the ships, but tactical groups.
Of course, need to think of recursive squadroning - "dawg, I herd you like squadrons, so I put a squadron in your squadron so you can...". Yeah, because we can... Nah, no squadrons in squadron :D.
It reminds me of Impossible Creature, actually - another one Relic's project, where you could create animal mutants with flaws and advantages of each animal part. Create you perfect squadron, meh!
And as we started talk of "parts" ("to become selves"), capital ships could be constructed in R.E.A.R.M. or Complex or... I dunno... Endless Space way - with setting up armor, ammo etc. Of course, it would require balancing of capital ship class and then with strike crafts... Well, it's much more complex then squadron creation that is just cumulative combing of existing ships.
Well, after all player will get his dream squadron capable of attacking and defending itself, instead of getting single fighter that would die in a seconds alone.
...or 3-Dimensional Space Real Time Strategies.
Hail to the king, baby! In some ways still unbeatable 3DS RTS.
Being the first, HW wasn't the ugly duckling: it has found it's style, and way of controlling camera, unit classes etc has become standard for similar type of games.
There are still advantages of HW1 engine, despite moddability problems (races, ships, abilities are hardcoded), it has more advanced physics system, ship behaviour etc then HW2.
Only 7 month to develop! It included story, sound, models, gameplay design and source code update. Gearbox says, they're missing the source code, yeah...
Started as add-on, HWC became standalone game. Probably, because it would take too much effort to make HW engine flexible. So, HWC has become advanced mod for HW1 (like HW1 campaign for HWR).
Well, it have included two new races (1 consisted of old HW1 ships), completely different, with a lot interesting features - so multiplayer of HWC was totally different to HW1 and more interesting. Unit experience gathering, unit building restricted only to man count and other interesting features. Like, modules were first introduced here, waypoints, time fastening, ordering in Sensors Manager screen... Some buttons were redefined here, but overall nothing big has changed since HW UI.
New engine, new rules, great moddability with lua-scripting, but also simplified physics and unit behaviour. But now it had great multiplayer - with 2 races that were different enough to have interesting fights. But this time it was more about the strategy not tactics and microcontrol.
What was new in UI - slide camera when mouse at the edge, move and attack order, big formation for the whole fleet so that you could form up groups consisting of different ship classes moving with the same speed. And GUI that did not required to close view of battle to build, launch or research something. Also, movement was done more easy - just click RMB and select point at map.
First competitor to HW - but it was few years late. No good engine, no good models - horrible trailer shows it all. BUT. I'd play this just to check what improvements or flaws they have made in UI of 3DS RTS.
This one looked promissing... BUT. Despite pretty good picture and quite interesting features, this game was ruined by UI. Bad voice acting - who's interested in this shit? But UI... It was using WASD movement to go through the space. No other chance to get to the point of the battlefield - no sensors manager a.k.a. big map to see whole picture of the battle, no concentration on units, no pause, to attack or move units you have to click RMB in space which may lead your unit engine knows where - it's fkn 3D not 2D! And then you had few plane battles that no one had told you about... Well, I gave it a few tries and I'd return to this game only if republished version would have HW-like UI.
This is not HW. It's more like 4X RTS - with planet colonisation, large technology tree - well, light version of SoaSE but with real 3D movement. Actually, it reminded me real time version of Endless Space - just simplified. Well, game is still looking good. Despite it's age, it's still beautiful - spaceoperish design of ships, planets, meteor belts etc - all was done with great love. Only 3D characters appearing from time to time - "I want to be your hero, sir!" - are lacking charisma. Music and campaign are quite spaceoperish also, so you won't find anything to catch on. Actually, sometimes I was misleaded by music into the memories of Disciples II.
But if we are interested in tactics and strategy, I'd say, that you will find strategy only: tactical fights are missing, big guns resolves everything. Well, of course there is possibility of controlling units in 3D space, but it won't help you much except for covert operations - like in O.R.B. you had whole solar system under your control (or several) but this time you could colonize them, and have radar sensors around, so sneaking here and there with 3D space is more interesting then two-way path of 2D plane. But overall big map was 2D - probably, that's why big map (on space) wasn't something you could rotate and fine tune to your needs (same problems like in O.R.B.).
It's interesting, that Haegemonia was first to introduce squads (at least among 3DS RTS) - ships came in squads (though you had to build them separately) so you have kinda balance of light ships in numbers to heavy ones outnumbered. Also, mouse side slide was first introduced here. Of course, by default, Y-axis was inverted, but it wasn't restricted by options to return it to natural statement. Well, focusing was working strange - instead of close focusing on ship, second click on MMB (or F) released camera from following - but that's more likely because of the 2D map nature of this game when you have no big need to turn your camera straight up or straight down - well, HW2 (don't know if HW1/C) had same problems, so that vertical maps are not quite welcome. Humans!...
Well, it's a nice example of a game, there are modding tools - I've seen them at modDB, so, any three races of HW would fit the mod for Haegemonia. Especially, as there is no need for diversity of ships - just, colony ship, marine ship, fighter, corvette, few more capitals and space bases. Voila!
First pretty successful Homeworld clone. Beautiful backgrounds - great work with editor that allows to create solar systems. Even after 12 years it looks hillarious. But models - they are blocky and boring. Story - well, everything from HW combined together in not so effective manner.
In general it's HW UI. But There are interesting ideas on improving HW UI - like CTRL use for moving, fast waypoints and other things. Pressing middle mouse button (a.k.a. wheel) makes camera move along horizontal plane - well, it's the continuation of 3D modelling editors practices, just without unneeded features. Besides that there are a lot of features - like custom behavior setup, a lot of formations, spionage etc etc etc... But boring gameplay and gamedesign didn't help to use all these features.
Well, actually it's a pity, that there were no modding tools for this game, as it would increase life of a product. For example, HWC somtaaw would fit perfectly into this system: beautiful ships + beautiful backgrounds...
First, it was Imperium Galactica III, then it switched name and genre. Now it's 3DS Tactics. Very beautiful even now - just look at this solar system maps, at these ships inspired from Space Odyssey 2010... And they are even animated quite correctly!
Mouse RMB camera control and zoom in/out on wheel is HW-inspired, and it's quite confusing to have no default plane to orient to. At least it could have been setup by your main ship position (or special key + other one you select). But actually, you find out quickly, that picture in front of you is just for fun. You will assign all your orders by clicking GUI-elements. Press pause, check closest enemy, select way of destruction - by artillery strikes, by heavy gun usage or fine tuning by cutting out enemy ship subsystems - weapon systems, energy batteries, shields... Actually, in later game, it turns out to be game "who's shield is the weakest" - if you disable enemy shield and make shield generator dead, you just watch how enemy is cut to pieces by your forces. And to control every ship of your fleet, you need to use pause a lot - well, biggest key on the keyboard should be used most often, isn't it?
And, actually, there is nothing in this game but orders where and how to hit assigning. Oh, you can also enable stealth mode and scan your enemy, but you can't move anywhere except for predefined points and already existing objects on the map. You can't order you ships to move in random direction - just in direction of storyline object, or object to destroy to. And that leads to strange situations when two groups of ships just stand in front of each other and shoot without manoeuvring.
But overall, it turned to be a nice game, so it's pity, that Nexus 2 wasn't able to collect enough money on Kickstarter. Trailer was awesome, and I hope that some managers responsible for denial of N2 got fired after Gearbox successfully remastered Homeworld 1/2.
Btw, there is fine official modding manual and tools coming game install. At least, in GOG version.
It's not 3DS RTS, it's 3DS RPG Tactics: you control carrier and fighters piloted by your mercenary team: fight pirates, get quests, gain experience and buy new fighters, weapons and ammo.
UI is similar to HW. But no big ships, actually. You will suck fighting government fleet ships...
Also, there is strange story about SW 2-3. SW3: Civil War is actually SW2 reincarnation. And real SW3: Ashes of Victory are stuck in development hell.
Fast session game similar to FTL or Weird Worlds: Return to Infinite Space or Atom Zombie Smasher (btw, Flotilla is from the same studio Blendo Games) - procedurally generated worlds, events. You have ship, then you travel from planet to planet, meet pirates, find new ships for your fleet...
Blocky design isn't a problem for this game, problem is about WASD-controlling. Even with pauses (set destination, facing and prioritisation - and 1 minute fight), it is hard to setup your ship behaviour. Imagine, you're in the middle of a fight, your ships and enemy ships are mixed - and what was OK while "chess starting position", is failed control now. You can't set camera to follow certain ship or group of ship (have a point to rotate around), as you are object yourself, so you are rotating around your own axis. And like in FPS games, you need 6 buttons + mouse to control your position, plus you need to follow what happens with your fleet and control it. So camera absolute freedom brings too much problems to 3DS RTS while having only one advantage - freedom of camera!
Besides that Flotilla pausing gameplay with manual ship control brings another problem: fight of 2vs2 already takes too much time - and with conditions when noone promises you fair fights (it's procedurally generated world!) but a lot of retries, you might be disappointed in this game. Well, there is a demo, so you can try it out.
Haven't played this one, but I've seen "Let's Play" of it, and it was boring. WASD control, hard to tell if there's 3D or 2D space, static ships, positional battles... Reminded O.R.B. heavily to me, so conluding upmetioned, I decided to spend my money on something else.
More like Wing Commander, but it seems like there is possibility to control units without piloting HW alike. Released just recently.
Looks a bit ugly, and lacks of original ideas - that was found in a demo of a game, when it still was on ModDB. FTL and Homeworld mixture - procedurally generated galaxy, and HW-style fights. But there might be improvements as game is still developed. But I would not wait for revelations from beginner developer.
Haven't played this one. Looks a bit ugly, and most probably it's not strategy but tactics game, like Nexus or Star Wolves, with a bit more complexity.
"Nexus and HW spiritual successor" - they even got one of "Nexus" producers! Well, it's more like Nexus (pause on space - biggest button that should be used very often!) and Starmageddon (WASD control scheme) ancestor... Well, game looks very interesting from those videos, but WASD really scares me... There are rumors that they've change controls to HW-style, but reviews say that there is no much to see yet in early access.
3DS RTS. Base building, ship customization...
3DS RTS. Long time ago it was HW2-clone, but now it's separate game for mobile (only :() platforms built on Unity3D engine. Design of this game is something like irrational, but overall, as it has fine roots of HW, it can bring very nice gameplay after all.
Right now heavy testing happening, you can subscribe to it (sorry, this team has big problems with PR-manager, so they are only at Vkontakte.com, RU). Or try older test-demo version (3 years from now).
Ships, ship salvaging... Yet to be done.
Ships, ship salvaging... Yet to be done.
TBS, but very cool one: with generated planets, nice detailed view of space ship battles....
TBS, construct ships, colonize - haven't played actually.
RTS, based on WH40k universe. Giant gothic ships expected in 2D space. TBD.
4x RTS - something of Haegemonia on steroids. I feel too much uncomfortable seeing 2D space :)
Article will be updated from time to time.
Before going into the rush with making squads of taiidani fighters and corvette, we need to check what HW2 originally had, so we could compare, so we could have "golden" example. Like in Blizzard's WarCraft3 it was Human faction that was used to check the overall balance.
So, here will be the list with HW2 strike craft costs with additional division to see how much each unit costs.
* Scout: 350 / 3 = 115
* Interceptor: 500 / 5 = 100
* Bomber: 550 / 5 = 110
* Gunship: 625 / 3 = 210
* Pulsar Gunship: 625 / 3 = 210
* Minelayer: 800
* Scout: 350/3 = 115
* Assault Craft: 500 / 7 = 70
* Bomber: 550 / 6 = 90
* Lance Fighter: 500 / 5 = 100
* Missile corvette: 625 / 4 = 155
* Laser corvette: 650 / 4 = 160
* Command corvette: 400
* Minelayer: 800
So, we can see, that HW2 game designer(s) were aiming for the following prices:
* Special units: 350, small squad;
* Interceptors (anti strike craft): 500;
* Bombers (anti capital craft): 550;
* Corvettes: 625;
* Minelayers: 800;
Btw, strange, that HWR didn't have possibility of having HW1 style gameplay - with non-squad units for H&V
TAIIDANI SQUADS - FIGHTERS
So, now let's think of taiidani conversion to HW2 system.
Before we go on, there are things that makes different. In HW1, as in usual RTS, there were general unit limit for each class, and balancing happened counting overall value of each unit. In HW2 we have quite the same system, but now includes squads. And as counting is now in squads, it brings new scale for balancing - unit number in squad. Unit itself might be powerful, but if they have some disadvantages, would you spend low number of squads for the squad that is not that useful? So it may effect cost of the unit.
For example, scouts have EMP after upgrade, so that in numbers they can disable even frigate (or destroyer, if taken everything); they are speedy and farseeing. But, as they have only three units with low damage, they cost 350 and are used in support role positions. If we count in separate units, they cost more, but in squads they cost less as they are specific units.
Also different number for units in class can be counted as another one balance fine tuning (vaygr strike craft number vs H).
Light Interceptor (Scout)
* HW1: 35; HWR: 90;
In HWR Scout was introduced in a same role of regular hiigarian/vaygr recoinassance units, the idea of which was taken from HWC Somtaaw recon. But original HW1 scout (defined in source files and scetches as Light Interceptor) wasn't intended to act this way. There was nothing to search, as everything was shown on the radars (especially with Sensors Array), and gamers went on using scout as resource war interceptor - fast, cheap and quickly running away. Like zerling of StarCraft. So if we think in squads, then closest analogue will be vaygr assault craft - cheap and highnumbered.
So I think of returning scouts their original name - Light Interceptor, it will be first battle craft of taiidani after Fighter Engine research (well, we need to give time to H&V to build their factories). To follow canon, it will have faster engines then usual interceptors and to compensate it will do less damage then vaygr assault craft. Like Hit&Run; fighters. Of course, it appears that with the same price they are weaker then VAC (that are weaker then Hiigarian Interceptors...), but they will have chance to run away especially with their special ability.
So, HW2TP price is: 500/7, role: enemy fighter blocker, resource war executer;
Heavy Interceptor (Interceptor)
* HW1: 55; HWR: 100;
In HW1 Interceptor was all-purpose fighter: you need to eliminate fighters? Done! Corvettes? Done! Frigates? Done! Destroyers? Well, umm, okey, done... In HWC with all-purpose somtaaw acolytes, that were mixture of interceptor and light/heavy defender, in mission01 you had a chance of exterminating carrier with heavy cruiser. That's all because of HW1 "fair bullet system", where ships weren't playing dices: fighters were fast and maneurable enough to get out of cannon sight, so they lived a lot longer then in HWR. In HW1R I refused to build anything but bombers for the Ghostship, as everything but the heavy & multigun corvettes died in a blink of an eye (in previous missions). Probably, squad system was introduced as a possibility to make fighters live longer (also, to make control easier). Also, again it approves concept of H for civilization, as they have great number of frigates to fight strike craft; and V for pirateborns/barbarians as they arise from strike craft overusage... But let's return to Taiidans.
If T light interceptor was lighter then V assault craft, then I want to make T heavy interceptor heavier then H interceptor. First of all, it's in its name - "heavy interceptor". Second, it's fucking Triikor, one of the most famous Homeworld ship designs. And third, it should follow HW1 path. So, I'd him better attack against corvettes, so it would not beat them like Lance fighter, but it could hold enough, so the player is not shitting his pants seeing antifighter corvettes. But everything has its price...
So, HW2TP price is: 550/5, role: anti strike craft, fighter humilator;
* HW1: 85; HWR: 120;
Well, this is kinda most standard unit to recreate. Two options: Vaygr path or Hiigarian path, 6 vs. 5 squad system. Probably, 5 spaceships, as kushans copypasted taiidans, and hiigarians are kushans after Homeworld War... But, this "attack" thing, and do taiidani need for anti-modular research?..
So, HW2TP price is: 550/5, role: anti capital fighter;
* HW1: 65; HWR: 120;
This one is harsh. This is supporting fighter. In case you need to guard some frigate or bigger ship, this one is for you. Or you need defence from the sudden attack... So, as anti-fighter role is already taken, I'd make this fighter similar to HW2 platform weapons (actually, it looks like platforms are defender evolution). Like if you need quick and effective response to light interceptor or bomber attacks - squad of 3 defenders for 350! Usual platforms are 300, btw. But these ones are also moving without restriction...
Or you need full scale squad? Needs to be tested. Or does it need separate platform section?......
So, HW2TP price is: 350/3, role: supporter, anti-fighter, anti-corvette;
So, HW2TP price is: 500/4, role: supporter, anti-fighter, anti-corvette;
* HW1: 85; HWR: 130;
In HW1 defence fighter was eliminating projectiles - now only missiles. But we must admit that number of missiles in HW2 has increased very much. Vaygrs use them very much - and Hiigarians have some torpedoes too. Taiidani/Kushani missile destroyer is also dangerous thing.
Taiidani suffer from reconnaissance unit absence. Well, as it's used purely for no attack, the same as scout, I would add him speed and sensor range: after all it looks like soviet sputnik. But it will be late game "scout", as its research can be put only after fighter drive research. After canon - it's researched only after fighter chassis...
...As taiidani minelayer corvette don't clean up mine fields, I believe this function should be added to defence fighter - mine is modified missile after all...
So, HW2TP price is: 350/3, role: reconnaissance, support, anti-missile;
Cloaked Fighter (kushan)
* HW1: 85; HWR: 130;
Of course, it's not taiidani ship, but I'd talk about it. Just got it in HWR campaign and thought what shit it has become. In HW1 it was quite useless ship, as everything was done by more simple and cheap ships: scouts did resource war, interceptor did dogfighting, so initial role of cloaked fighter was actually taken. It's advantage - permanent stealth (well, fuel was the reason to come back to base) wasn't so useful, as radars already showed everything (+sensors array...), and spending a lot of resources for hidden attack of not so fast fighter... Well, doesn't look interesting. Better to build 20 scouts, speed burst, destroy resource base, and dock.
In HWC, due to fuel removal (HW2 has taken this feature also), Cloaked Fighter (Beast version) appeared with slooooowly going down cloaking bar. And as radar has become less "seeing" - we've seen only our ships sensors ranges (HW2 has taken this feature also...) - it has become useful. Until Somtaaw developed advanced sensors...
Now cloaked fighter is slow (bomber like), low-damage (scout-like), and expensive. What are the advantages? Well, short time of cloak! So, it won't be like you send them to operation and enable stealth-mode - no, you have to enable it directly before enemy. WTF?! So, reconnaissance and resource war role is not for cloaked fighter anymore. What's left? Is it good fighter? Low damage shows that it's not. Well, maybe it's likely to live more with stealth enabled - it show up in attack, then disappear, enemy fighter don't aim, and when they do it's too late already...
I really don't know what could be done with it. It should be speeded up, or stealth ability raised, or damage raised (like F117) or else. Well, if it would be fighter similar to interceptor but with permanent invisibility on secondary sensors (and shown on primary sensors - "eye contact"), then it would already become nice covert ops unit. Or just make usual scout analogue of it. With stealth - to be invisible probe
--So, HW2TP price is: 550/5, role: ???
--So, HW2TP price is: 350/3, role: reconnaissance, resource war;
Before we get to the corvettes, I must say, that I wish to make HWC reference in researches for fighters (and every class actually, see HW2TP research design document): Fighter Drive research leads to Advanced Fighter Drive; Fighter Chassis leads to Advanced Fighter Chassis. But as speed is now not so battle affecting (dices, chances to hit... or I'm not right?) in HW2, I'm afraid that fighter armor upgrade would OP tdn_fighters.
On the other hand, it can raise light interceptors on the level of vaygr assault craft; and for heavy interceptors - they would start from hiigarian interceptor level to become superior, though not so fast. And planned upgrade is x1.3, not x1.5 of HWR (or even 2.5 for defender). Well, it have to be tested.
TAIIDANI SQUADS - CORVETTES
* HW1: 135; HWR: 250;
I believe that this corvette should become "bomber" killer. Like light interceptor, it the first machine made with corvette drive, so it has to have lower armor, lower damage then average corvette, but fast enough to have no mercy for bombers running away. It will be good enough to fight with fighters, but not superior. Main role of this craft is to hit running strike craft as much as possible (speed must be lower then bomber's, but enough to hold in the tail hurting them badly). Also, same as light interceptor, they would be successful resource collector executers.
To compensate weak armor, there will be 4 units in squad.
So, HW2TP price is: 625/4, role: resource war, bomber humilator;
* HW1: 240; HWR: 270;
Heavy corvettes must be anti-corvette/ anti-capital craft. Analogue of Pulsar Corvettes and Laser Corvettes.
To follow idea of a "fat bastard" it should be a little slower and tougher then usual corvette, but it a right choice for big fish hunters.
So, HW2TP price is: 650/3, role: anti-corvette, anti-capital (anti-frigate);
* HW1: 225; HWR: 300;
Clearly this is anti-fighter thing, grammaton cleric of corvette class. This is a little bit more anti-fighter corvette, so price is a little bit higher.
So, HW2TP price is: 650/3, role: anti-fighter;
* HW1: 275; HWR: 340;
Well, classical minelayer corvette. In HW2 his price for 1 unit is 800, so I see not reason why it should be 340 for taiidani. If it was weakened then it must be strengthened back to regular stats. It's a pity that this minelayer unlike H&V versions can't shoot down mines, so I believe Defence fighter should gain this ability... Or add such possibility to taiidani minelayer - there fucking horns now everywhere, they should have put some laser instead...
So, HW2TP price is: 800/1, role: anti-capital;
* HW1: 220; HWR: 250;
I don't really know what to do with this guy: should it be moved to another "utility (corvettes)" class of ships as it should be built one-by-one, thus occupying fast all corvette squads: for example, marine frigate could be 4 of 21 to be succesful; 1 to capture frigate (1/21); in case of salvette, it is 2 (1/7), not so fair, especially if we allow to have the same number of salvettes (14) thus occupying all corvette slots. On the other hand it could be fast-building ship to hold near carrier or MS, to be used as fast as possibru; also increase of corvette squads (16?) number for taiidani could be nice bonus...
Well, gotta think of it, and test. Price left as it is set in HWR.
So, HW2TP price is: 250/1, role: texas-hold-em;
* HW1: 150; HWR: 250;
Well, this one definetely needs to be removed from battle corvettes as it is lonely medic. This unit ability is kinda half of H/V res.collector abilities (another one feature from HWC...), so it should be placed in "utility (corvette)" class, and given half price - 400/2 = 200.
Apart from that, as taiidani support frigate works fine with H/V fighter squads, I suggest returning back H/V support frigates would be just logical, being full analogue of T/K support frigate...
So, HW2TP price is: 250/1, role: repairer;
1. Easy: you carry all weapons, no reload, no limit on carried ammo, ammo count shown, running all the time, health autorestored, medpacks;
2. Moderate: you carry all weapons, reload with leftovers going into general count, ammo is limited, ammo count shown, running all the time, health autorestored, medpacks;
3. Hard: you carry 3 weapons, reload with leftover in clip thrown away, ammo count shown, ammo is limited, running is limited, medpacks;
4. Impossibru: you carry 1 weapon plus additional (with heavy weapon only in hands), reload, ammo is limited, ammo count not shown, running is limited to weight, medpacks just stop bleeding;
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