This mod is for all the players frustrated with the cartoony nature of Zero Hour units and buildings. We intend to replace every fanciful unit in Zero Hour with its closest possible real world equivalent, without changing the unit's capabilities.

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ThePotatoGiant
ThePotatoGiant

Holy Crap! This is some beautiful work! Great job!
What unit will this beauty replace?

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dhd Creator
dhd

Sorry, hadn't added it to the description yet. The Mi-8 will be replacing the Helix helicopter (which as of v0.4 is a Hind).

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SveaRikeSoldier
SveaRikeSoldier

I thought you said the Hind would be more fun to play with?

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

China doesn't have hinds.

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dhd Creator
dhd

Indeed.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Actually they do but they aren't used by the Military. On the Minsk world there is a Mi-24 of unknown origin in Russian markings.

Api.ning.com

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Sgt
Sgt

so thats where I left it......I tell yea, vodka.

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SpiritOfNimruzîr
SpiritOfNimruzîr

And now i wish that there were the russians... damn

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SoloTurk
SoloTurk

I think it seems less strong but more realistic than the helix.

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ParkChungHeeFan
ParkChungHeeFan

Amazing, I love the Mi-8!

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FuryGirl
FuryGirl

Will the model change with the different upgrades?

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

Yep.

Here are the likely configurations:

Napam bomb Upgrade (Fab-100 or Fab-250) would look like the following:

I132.photobucket.com

Gattling Gun Upgrade would add Gunpods (upk-23?) similar to the following:

En.valka.cz

Finally bunker upgrade would deploy MG's (Type-88 ?) on the side of the helicopter either through the doors or through the back similar to the following:

Scale-rotors.com

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Here's an actual picture of the Mi-171 with Fab bombs:

3.bp.blogspot.com

This example is in PLA service.

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InsurgentCeLL
InsurgentCeLL

why not the halo? :(

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

PLA doesn't field Mi-26. And it can't carry any weapons.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Mi-26 is a heavy military transport helicopter that does not have any weapon configurations that can resemble the Helix.

Besides the Mi-26 is not operated by the PLA.

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Woozle
Woozle

The Mil MI-6 would be more appropriate, it would also be unique. I dont think its ever been in a game.

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

No it won't be. It can't carry any weapons.

I'm feeling like a broken record...

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

S.T.A.L.K.E.R Shadow of Chernobyl has the crashed helicopter in Yantar near the swamp and it is a Mi-6.

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Woozle
Woozle

To rkraptor, the Mi-8 cant carry a 70 ton tank, so they both of unrealisms. To Bossgeneral, With how much S.T.A.L.K.E.R. I play I can't believe I missed that. >_<

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Orange_Tomato
Orange_Tomato

MI6 was used by liquidators, but not because of the armament, but rather in its intended "flying hook" role.

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theonewhonevergivesa
theonewhonevergivesa

Mi 6 is retired for already some years...

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Woozle
Woozle

Just because its retired dosent mean it cant be pulled back into service for some urgent requirement.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

keksz,

Perhaps with upgrades you can introduce the Mi-17V5 variant which changes the glazed nose and has a modified appearance similar to the following:

1.bp.blogspot.com

It's also currently lacking the markings/roundels similar to these:

2.bp.blogspot.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

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Keksz Author
Keksz

Oh hehe I just uploaded the pic but doctorheredoctor is the man to talk to xD
It's been a while since I worked on VRM effictevly because I'm busy with my own mod :P
But as you can see he does a totally fine job without me aswell.
Oh, I'm so proud... :P

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Thanks I apologize for the confusion there.

doctorheredoctor,

Perhaps with upgrades you can introduce the Mi-17V5 variant which changes the glazed nose and has a modified appearance similar to the following:

1.bp.blogspot.com

It's also currently lacking the markings/roundels similar to these:

2.bp.blogspot.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

Also China doesn't use the Mi-8 it is known as the Mi-17/171 in PLA Army Aviation service.

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dhd Creator
dhd

Nope. PLAAF has 20.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Peoples Liberation Army Aviation operates the vast majority of the Mi-17 and improved Mi-17 variants. They are gradually being upgrades to Mi-171 variants with various configurations and equipment/payload packages.

I would recommend adding the roundels and markings as shown in these pictures:

2.bp.blogspot.com

2.bp.blogspot.com

1.bp.blogspot.com

Currently the texture has no markings and the incorrect roundel (that kind of roundel is used on Ground Vehicles). Additionally this model needs some equipment that is seen in those pictures such as the nose-sensors and the tail pod.

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dhd Creator
dhd

>I would recommend adding the roundels and markings as shown in these pictures:

>Additionally this model needs some equipment that is seen in those pictures such as the nose-sensors and the tail pod.

I can't go back and change things on every single model. You can be proactive and let me know specific things that won't be apparent in blueprints if they are critical. I cannot emphasize enough how painfully difficult it can be to retroactively adjust things in models/skins depending on the situation.

I spend usually 6h+ per day for 4-5 days to fully model, unwrap, skin, and then place the unit functionally in-game. Normally you don't have one person doing virtually everything so it takes extremely long and it isn't fun to have to always go back and spend another few hours every time there is some stupid detail misplaced. We're going for reality but to make every unit 100% real is a waste of my time. 99% of players don't zoom in to enjoy the detail and accuracy of these models and they might as well have much lower resolution texture with much less accuracy in the model(who can tell if a tank is 5% too long visually?). As a result there is a cut-off point of what should and should not be accurately represented in a model. The sensor boom on the nose was an example of something that I wouldn't add because it was too small to require geometry and couldn't be represented in the skin. The markings are extremely low priority as well as camoflage accuracy (this is because there are factions in game that do not exist IRL at all and so camo can be arbitrary).

Later this year I may need to almost permanently stop work on VRM so I'm trying to do what I can in the time remaining.

Finally I am certain China does have Mi-8 and tbh the differences are superficial enough once ingame that I really don't care because this is how it actually looks at zoom level: I.imgur.com

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

> I can't go back and change things on every single model

I never asked that or implied that.

> You can be proactive and let me know specific things that won't be apparent in blueprints if they are critical

It's in the forum posts the necessary pictures and information that I provide.

> We're going for reality but to make every unit 100% real is a waste of my time

Again never asked for that or implied that.

> The sensor boom on the nose was an example of something that I wouldn't add because it was too small to require geometry and couldn't be represented in the skin

This Engine allows the player to zoom in various levels and this detail isn't trivial. You could overlay the geometry on the existing UV map which wouldn't require changes to the texture map.

> he markings are extremely low priority as well as camoflage accuracy

This is actually quite easy to do in Photoshop and requires little to no time assuming that Layers are used. All it requires is a Text layer with some blending options and various fill/opacity. The roundel should normally be Normal perhaps with some weathering and 100% opacity.

> Finally I am certain China does have Mi-8

Mi-17/171 Deliveries to the PLA

Model
Quantity
Year of Contract
Year(s) of Delivery
Mi-17 (Ulan-Ude) 24 1990 1991
Mi-171 (Ulan-Ude) 60 1995 1997
Mi-17V5 (Kazan) 35 2001 2002
Mi-17V7 (Kazan) 25 2002 2003-2004
Mi-171 (Ulan-Ude) 24 2006 2006-2007
Total 168 - -

I.imgur.com

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dhd Creator
dhd

Would love to have someone else take a look at it.

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BossGeneral
BossGeneral

Aside from that the model and texture is great. This is the perfect replacement for the Hind which is not used by the PLAAF but rather used by the KPAAF.

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roman9441
roman9441

i really love this :D chopper

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Ilves
Ilves

This is just too cute to say "Let's ruin somebody's day" or anything mean like that ^^

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rkraptor70
rkraptor70

Yet in real life the Mi-8 ruined a lot of peoples day.

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willychong8921
willychong8921

This chopper is the bad guy chopper of the western world, because its combination with MI 24 was lethal against rebels. And itself can still be a difficult opponent especially its cockpit is resistance to small arm fire, although any AA gun or short range defense could bring it down.....

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T55
T55

Very nice model, I am glad to see Mi-8/17 as Helix, and if I can suggest, can you make that this helicopter less leaning forward?

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Laqueesha
Laqueesha

Man, that is one nice-looking Hip.

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TigerHunter
TigerHunter

Why was the Helix replaced? I understand that model should be replaced, but China does operate KA-27s/Ka-29s, and the KA-29, the assault gunship version of the KA-27, can carry bombs. Although I'm not hating on the Hip, just curious.

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Z4STY0
Z4STY0

The most appropriate would be the helicopter Ka-31

En.wikipedia.org

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Replacement for the Chinese Helix helicopter.

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