Rise Of The Reds is an expansion mod for Generals: Zero Hour that adds the Russian Federation, European Continental Alliance and is packed with overhauls and changes to the original factions. Whether it's steamrolling Russians, indomitable European defenders, American high-tech, Chinese strength in numbers or the brutal cunning of the GLA - Rise of the Reds has a faction for everyone's tastes - even to take your opponents on land, air and sea!

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Scorch17
Scorch17 Dec 23 2012, 3:27am says:

Lego tank. I can't believe that these are the same people who have made those amazingly detailed models of Fennek and Wotan.

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Dec 23 2012, 3:32am replied:

Remember that this is for the faction that has been depicted in a rather...goofy fashion ever since the original game. We merely stick to that style, because giving them realistic stuff like a ZTZ99 or whatever would look out of place next to all the 1950s style infantry units, nuclear powered Type 59s and airships that look like flying whales. You always have to remind yourself that this is Gens/ZH China, not 'plausibly futuristic RL China'.

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bluseychris
bluseychris Dec 25 2012, 10:14am replied:

I take it the role is similar to a modern day Scimitar or the FT-17

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Comr4de
Comr4de Dec 23 2012, 3:50am replied:

Honestly I expected this unit to get flak because it's not "ANOTHER GENERIC SUPER-HEAVY TANK LIKE THE OVERLORD". Just because it isn't so doesn't mean the quality and or thinking we have done behind it is any lesser.

These tanks can literally EAT through larger tanks in numbers. Think about the Propaganda bonus, horde bonus, and other upgrades that would make this vehicle a true force multiplier that merely compliments your other tanks.

We are meaning to play on the design of the Chinese in Zero hour and not cater towards the generic battle tanks that would deter this design concept.

Horde these up, and sure you can laugh at them, its a 2 man tank, but the Chinese player will be laughing at you're Sentinels being eaten up by 20 of these - easily. And god help you if you try using AT Infantry, prepare to become a speed bump as these things haul ***.

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Scorch17
Scorch17 Dec 23 2012, 4:45am buried:

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I'm talking about the cartoonish appearance of this tank and lack of details comparing to other models, not about its role on the battlefield. Why not use something based on Type 63 - small light tank with 85 mm cannon? You could redone it a bit to make it more fit the Chinese style in the game.

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Dec 23 2012, 4:55am replied:

Congrats. By suggesting some generic Cold War era 'Type random number', you're falling right into the 'China should be more like in RL' mindset that I just described. You're free to find the Hopper cartoonish, but you cannot deny that it looks a lot more unique than adding yet another tank that'd basically look like a slimmed down Battlemaster and pretending that it's toootally different. Because instead of just copying vehicles from SinoDefence, we like to come up with our own distinct designs; that's kinda why we have concept artists.

Also, this is a spam unit. It's pretty much the Red Guard among tanks. You're supposed to spam them and putting lots of fancy details on a unit that isn't just spammable but even MEANT to be spammed would cause performance issues. Rule of thumb: The rarer/more expensive a unit, the more detail it can have because the number of such units on screen approaches 1.

One thing we did do however was add -16- visually different model variants of this tank. Some of them have a searchlight on top, others have a flag, fuel barrel, trench hooks etc, so your Hopper blob as a whole would actually have a lot of details.

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8ft_Robot
8ft_Robot Dec 23 2012, 5:13am replied:

Because then it wont look like a Metal Slug and that would be boring.

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RussianSniper
RussianSniper Dec 23 2012, 6:48am replied:

ahh yes metal slug the game it was quite weird but awesome in my childhood memories.

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crypthead
crypthead Mar 2 2013, 9:34pm replied:

no .. i like it till now.. i really love metal slug looks like shank 2

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Scorch17
Scorch17 Dec 23 2012, 6:49am replied:

What do you mean? It doesn't look like a Metal Slug now.

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RussianSniper
RussianSniper Dec 23 2012, 6:54am replied:

Comrade,I mean the game not the vehicle.

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Scorch17
Scorch17 Dec 23 2012, 7:32am replied:

I'm answer to 8ft_Germicidal_Robot actually

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Arkanium
Arkanium Dec 23 2012, 9:09am replied:

Also bear in mind the significant size difference. While the pictures are scaled to take up the same room, this tank is a lot smaller, and therefore will look less detailed when magnified more.

I'd like to congratulate the ROTR team for having the balls to try something they knew might be unpopular to start with, because they thought it was cool and would work.

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Orange_Tomato
Orange_Tomato Dec 23 2012, 9:13am replied:

This thing is weird, beacause, on the one hand, the team attempts to bring realism and serious graphics into the game, like with the Russians and, of course, the ECA, and on the other hand they come out with this sort of thing. Please choose one art direction. This doesn't fit the style.

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Nuttah
Nuttah Dec 23 2012, 10:01am replied:

So, battle rifles are fine but tankettes are a no no? How so?

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Arkanium
Arkanium Dec 23 2012, 10:33am replied:

This doesn't fit the Russian style because it's not a Russian unit. The same goes for the ECA. It does, however, fit the Chinese ZH style.

I wouldn't say the Wotan, Pandora, Sentinel, Tremor AGAS, Manticore, Bulldog, Tesla weaponry or Solaris system are particularly realistic.

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MARS2588
MARS2588 Dec 24 2012, 1:23am replied:

The art direction in ROTR is faction-based, not overarching and we've explained it several times: China is the more goofy, anachronistic looking faction because it's been that way since Gens/ZH and we did NOT want to just rip their guts out and go 'lol hey guys, they now have ZTZ99s and QBZ95s!' just like any other generic realism mod out there.

We wanted to keep the elements that made them distinct in the original game and that requires us to give them some stuff that looks a bit odd compared to the more authentic-looking Russian and European designs, which turned out that way because we could decide on their art direction by ourselves.

This reasoning is also why the US won't get any plasma launchers, sonic cannons or Area 51 UFO units. They were high-tech in Gens/ZH, but semi-plausible, semi-exaggerated high-tech, not cartoonishly space age high-tech.

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Erick_Auron
Erick_Auron Jan 8 2013, 5:13pm replied:

i think you are right, but i still fell sad that tey wont get any more lazer stuff.

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open_sketchbook
open_sketchbook Feb 27 2013, 8:35am replied:

Generals is a game about 2020s sci-fi USA verus 2000s republican nightmare terrorists verus 1970s China as seen by Richard Nixon in a fever dream. Anything else would break the tone!

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K!ngRaptoR
K!ngRaptoR Jan 15 2013, 10:55am replied:

Impressive description.

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DEathgod65
DEathgod65 Dec 23 2012, 3:39am says:

It looks like a toy! I bet these little things would literally get crushed by a Sentinel or Manticore XD

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Comr4de
Comr4de Dec 23 2012, 3:47am replied:

Sure but these are meant to be force multipliers - everyone expects that we were going to give China -another- big *** tank, when in fact we're taking measures to further compliment the gameplay style of the Chinese in Generals - hordes.

These come in pairs of two when you purchase them in the War-Factory, they're incredibly fast, they can crush infantry and take a few good hits but the fact they build faster than most AT infantry and most tanks, you can expect these (along with battlemasters) to completely OVERWHELM people in numbers - that coupled with the Nationalism upgrade (which increases rate of fire) and the Horde Bonus (an additional bonus with firepower) with propaganda (which further increases THAT) they fire almost like gattling guns and take out Overlords in a matter of -SECONDS- Sure you're going to lose a few of them but you have like 100 BEHIND THEM.

Thats the original point we're trying to do and draw the Chinese away from mroe dedicated, larger tanks that have almost become a staple and the "what everyone expects" every faction to have and would merely make it dull and boring just like any other mod.

We are going to add some other cool vehicles to China but it'll be until 1.82. A tank Destroyer to go ahead and mention it and a few others too =)

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Nuttah
Nuttah Dec 23 2012, 3:57am replied:

So if these things are so ******* scary...how do you counter? Artillery barrage? Air support? First strike? Colony drop?

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Comr4de
Comr4de Dec 23 2012, 4:00am replied:

They -are- made of paper basically :P

SHOOT THEM.

Like we said, they're great -force multipliers- that means they can be coupled with any strike force so you can gain your horde bonus faster and since their speed is so apparent you can strike areas where your slower tanks cannot in time.

Any good player I'm sure will realize how scary these little f*ckers can be. You get two for the price of one, they run over infantry, and jesus they fire fast and move fast. It's the rate of fire that scares me the most since one by itself is a scratch, but when you get 20 of them (and fast) it starts tearing up stuff like locusts.

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Vladimir_Deathstrike
Vladimir_Deathstrike Dec 23 2012, 4:21am replied:

How fast does it fire? Like a Machine gun? Or minigun?

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Nuttah
Nuttah Dec 23 2012, 4:45am replied:

Given the comparison to a gatling higher up, I'm guessing like one of those before they spin up properly.

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Xofolez
Xofolez Dec 24 2012, 1:21am replied:

And don't think that killing one is good, its all or nothing because when they are this OP of a starting unit-I assume they are immediately purchasable- rushes and defensive tactics are dangerous. I can see it now how I would build a nice attack force quickly in under 4 minutes or less- the time it takes USA G power to ruin a stock pile- of units- consisting of many 15pairs of hoppers, 9 tank hunter flak guys, 3 gay tanks and 9 volunteer squads, 3 airships, and if I have time I would add more units where needed, most likely gats or hops

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murauder
murauder Dec 24 2012, 2:00am replied:

damn, better hunker down in a city, load up the artillery or just move around them.

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Mernom
Mernom Dec 23 2012, 8:32am replied:

firewalls,kill all at once

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Arcus2611
Arcus2611 Dec 24 2012, 9:03am replied:

Napalm firestorm, firewalls, artillery, and anything with splash damage in general all sound like excellent options, since I suspect this thing has all the armour of a rocket buggy.

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Xofolez
Xofolez Dec 24 2012, 1:05am replied:

I would bet that if you didn't take out the war factory before exposing a super tank to the crippling enemy base, that the enemy player will have built up 6 hoppers per factory to utterly shred your tanks at a gattling tech rate of fire.

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shekdog
shekdog Dec 23 2012, 3:44am says:

Metal Slug! So I see the Chinese are getting recruits from the Peregrine Army XD.

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah Dec 23 2012, 4:04am replied:

HAHA damn dude i though the exact same thing as soon as i saw the pic :D

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Arcus2611
Arcus2611 Dec 25 2012, 1:17am replied:

Well, even Chinese casualty rates can't be as bad as those of Morden's Army.

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HOPE1134
HOPE1134 Dec 23 2012, 4:02am says:

At first I thought this was a late April fools joke, LOL!

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah Dec 23 2012, 4:06am replied:

lol and this was my second though :P

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Vladimir_Deathstrike
Vladimir_Deathstrike Dec 23 2012, 4:18am says:

If it exist, I'll buy it for my transport to my school :D

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CaptainIstvan
CaptainIstvan Dec 23 2012, 4:47am says:

this one is so cute

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Grim1316
Grim1316 Dec 23 2012, 8:34am replied:

When you look at it, you can't help but want to hug it.

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medve
medve Dec 23 2012, 4:54am says:

awww, babytank :3

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Machine-Reaper
Machine-Reaper Dec 23 2012, 5:19am says:

gotta really say this...CUTE!...

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8ft_Robot
8ft_Robot Dec 23 2012, 5:20am says:

This thing is absolutely adorable.

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miguelvale
miguelvale Dec 23 2012, 5:40am says:

soooo....no chance that this goes toe to toe with manticore and sentinel? darn!

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liberty_wings
liberty_wings Dec 23 2012, 5:52am says:

No way I will destroy these tanks,they are too cute to be destroyed *__*

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DiamondBorne
DiamondBorne Dec 23 2012, 6:08am says:

This: Metalslug.wikia.com
That's a really cute looking tank until i read it's description..."always built in twos...can also be equipped with depleted uranium shells and a miniature atomic battery"

Whoa, an army of armored nuclear redguards.

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sithpal
sithpal Dec 23 2012, 6:09am says:

i thought this was a chinese drone. till i read it was tank and weighed 6 tons lol. also i dont really see a metal slug tank resemblance lol

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The_Freedom_Fighter
The_Freedom_Fighter Dec 23 2012, 6:47am says:

Looks ridiculous, out-dated design, soft as ****, weak firepower BUT dirt cheap, built in pairs, gains horde bonus, high speed, high rate of fire, can be equipped with ******* nukes...

This tank is the very definition of "Lethal Joke Character" >:)

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Railgunner2160
Railgunner2160 Dec 23 2012, 7:07am says:

Someone might have been watching Dominion Tank Police while designing this!! (LOLing)

I found that old show in a decent quality and have been watching it, First thought upon seeing the pic and reading about it was it sounded like a "Bonaparte"(The small and I quote from actual show "Toy tank", that's what the police chief called it)

A warning to anyone who decides to watch it, PLEASE keep in mind the shows age before taking offense at some of the things in it. What was considered permissible back then was different from today's standards.....

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kazarr
kazarr Dec 23 2012, 7:41am says:

I'm okay with this because everyone in the universe it's placed in KNOWS it looks ridiculous and just doesn't care because it's effective at what it's meant to do.
Truth is, the military has come up with more bizarre designs than this in the past, and often those designs have become the butt of many, many jokes among the soldiery. This is the perfect example of such a design, something that the Generals universe previously lacked. See it as a bit of comic relief for your soldiers. =p

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Chosen-One
Chosen-One Dec 23 2012, 8:12am says:

This is a joke right?! If so, I laughed. :)

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Clocking in at a mere 6 tons in weight, this light scout tank is oddly reminiscent of the historical tankette vehicles that were developed between the First and Second World War, when the true military role of armoured vehicles was yet to take shape. Affectionally called the 'Hopper' by the PLA for its amazing agility and comical shape, the new vehicle entered service very recently. Whilst American military experts were quick to dismiss it for its anachronistic role and 'ridiculous' design, the Chinese like to point out that a single one of these vehicles is still more resource-efficient and quick to produce than a Humvee, to the point where Hopper Tanks are always built in twos. This allowed China to complete 10.000 units in a single year, which are now serving in the ranks of the PLA and a number of domestic police units. The Hopper can use its stubby 75mm cannon to destroy lightly armoured targets and draw the attention of heavier adversaries away from the actual battle tanks. Its armour is capable of resisting bullets, but doesn't stand much of a chance against larger calibres, let alone dedicated anti-tank weapons, making the Hopper a vehicle that is best used as part of a massive offensive. The crew consists of only two people: A driver and a commander, who also serves as the gunner. True to vehicle's function as a scout, the commander can be ordered to peek out of the hatch and spy ahead with his binoculars, substantially increasing the Hopper's sight radius at the cost of not being able to attack until the commander has re-assumed his position behind the gun. Amazingly for an otherwise low-tech vehicle, the Hopper Tank can also be equipped with depleted uranium shells and a miniature atomic battery.

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