Behold the Yuuzhan Vong Army! This mod adds the Yuuzhan Vong Race as a playable faction and all units of this era. We are a community of modders working for the greater goal, so anyone who wants to help or support us is welcome!
So we have been planning the executor for a while now...
Jedi_Clone_X2 (corra_ashu) - a great friend, modder and member of our team, gave us the model from DICE back in February when he first previewed it in his Battlefront Commander Mod. Jedi asked if I could add lights to it, and I promised I would and send it back rigged with code and turrets... but it just has taken me a little longer than I expected (sorry jedi)
Check out his mod here, he does great work:
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But just adding lights to the DICE model just didn't seem like it was enough... as with all models in the Vong mod, we push the limits as far as we can go, hence our newly detailed monster.
As with many models featured in our mod, we like the practice of "shared componenents". By seeing the same turret, or radar dish, or tractor beam tower, or even a bridge (such as how some mon cals share the same bridge) -- this allows us to create perspective of scale, such that there is a visual relation amongst ships and big ships really feel a lot bigger because of this.
The Executor shares the same bridge as the ISDmk2, but we have edited the bridge to be facing straight forward and not angled down. It looked a little silly to me to see the bridge pointing towards the middle of the ship and not the bow tip, so that is why the angle was changed. With the shared bridge component and shared turrets, there will be a nice relation to other ships such as the recently textured Harbinger with its Capital Turrets and many other ships that use heavy quad turbolasers and the dual heavy artillery turbolasers.
The Length of an ISDmk2 is 1600m
The Length of our Executor Class is 8.5 ISD's, which equates to 13600m
so we went with the 13km size which was what was supposed to have been in the original films.
The ship is 3/4 UV'ed, texturing will begin very soon
Curious. I was unaware of a listing of the Executor at 13,000m. I understand the Sarlacc Project prototype was 12,000m. Where does the 13 number come from? (As I usually only see guesswork when the wookieepedia-rule of 17km isn't followed...)
I might be mistaken...
But I thought I read in some debate that the initial proposed size was 9km, then changed to 13, then 19...
I could very well be wrong, but since for our purposes, we are having the Lusankya and the Guardian who were both executor-class, and not the actual executor. This provides us with a little bit of flexibility such as the discrepancies in sizes of Viscount-Class
As impressive as the executor ship idea is, I have always wondered "why?"...
Like why is a ship of that magnitude needed? Part of the Vong novels I enjoyed was when the Bothans invoked the idea of focusing on smaller task force fleets when they went on "Ar'krai"
I guess it aligned with the Tarkin doctrine? I mean who doesn't **** their pants when they see a H U G E ship?
Tarkin Doctrine, and the fact that Palpatine was kind of a show-off and egomaniac. Maybe also compensating...
I just wonder what they could possibly fill it with...
Like just what exactly is in all those buildings behind all those windows?
My guess communication arrays, targeting computers, shield generators, tibana gas storage, reinforced bulkheads, and sensor arrays.
If we take the almost 300000 crew that Wookipedia states for the Executor as the real deal, wich i honestly doubt since the ISD 1 had over 37000 by itself, (and the Executor is said to be 100 times more massive than a single ISD), looks that the superstructure itself will be filled with crew barracs, amenities for them, training centers and the like, while the sides are like the "armored" belt of WW2 warships, kinda make sense since star wars combat was based on naval warfare... but who knows
"we are having the Lusankya and the Guardian who were both executor-class, and not the actual executor"
Though the Lusankya was built as "Executor II" and the Exes sister. And both Fondor and Kuat claimed to have built the Lady Ex... if the Lusankya was to have been shorter than the Lady Ex I think Kuat would've been a bit "confused" if Vaders flagship suddenly was 5.4 km longer
Also: even tho they were only of the "Executor-class"...if we go with historical variations in ship-classes (which afaik haven't really happened in SW) there never was such a huge difference in length. A few metres maybe
Also: essential guide to Warfare, after the destruction of Project Sarlacc's Prototype:
"But that was time enough for the Empire to decide to build on Wessex's work, ordering the creation of four new dreadnoughts, each nineteen kilometers long."
These four Dreadnoughts were: Executor, Lusankya, Reaper and Aggressor. The fifth ship was the Brawl... later known as Iron Fist
Hmm, but what about the lengths of the Viscount? That varies greatly from the prototype to the much longer versions?
It's these sorta inconsistencies that have bothered us for years as we tried to determine stats on ships
I accidently pressed "cancel" instead of "Save"... here I go again:
"Hmm, but what about the lengths of the Viscount? That varies greatly from the prototype to the much longer versions?"
But the Lady Ex wasn't the prototype, that was the Protoype build during Project Sarlacc. Lady Ex was the lead-ship of it's class
Wikipedia gives for the Term leadship:
"The lead ship, name ship, or class leader is the first of a series or class of ships all constructed according to the same general design. The term is applicable to military ships and larger civilian craft.
Large ships are complicated internally and may take as much as five to ten years to construct. Any changes or advances that are available when building a ship are likely to be included, so it is rare to have two that are identical. Constructing one ship is also likely to reveal better ways of doing things and even errors.
The second and later ships are often started before the first one is completed, launched and tested. Nevertheless, building copies is still more efficient and cost-effective than building prototypes, and the lead ship will usually be followed by copies with some improvements rather than radically different versions. The improvements will sometimes be retrofitted to the lead ship. Occasionally, the lead ship will be launched and commissioned for shakedown testing before following ships are completed, making the lead ship a combination of template and prototype, rather than expending resources on a prototype that will never see actual use."
Since we talk about galactic governments I can see that htey still went with a prototype before starting serial production (especially since they would've used them in battle regardlessly)
And iirc there had been differences in the Executor-class: for example, I think the Lady Ex had more heavy guns than the Lady Lu which instead had a better point defense armament
In regards of the Viscount:
Just as with Project Sarlacc it makes sense to built the Prototype on a smaller scale. The Prototype is basically a "proof of concept", to see if the basic systems work on this scale and if the whole concept is feasible on that scale. It would be rather bad PR if you build a 17 - 19km Dreadnought just to then see "oh... the whole stuff isn't working correctly...) :D
According to the Databank, the Complete Locations, The Essential Guide to Warfare, Starships of the Galaxy and the Star Wars: Imperial Handbook (released in 2014) the Excecutor-class Star Dreadnought was 19000 meters long, that is 19 kilometers.
i think that a more reasonable lenght it possible 15km, still shorter than most would but longer and closer to real scale. as for Viscount which ties in, i'd put that at 12.5, with Mediator at 4,500
though is still your choice
It's 19000 meters or 19 kilometers long. People keep mixing it up, but according to official sources (those not belonging to Disney, who in my opinion, can shove a Death Star up their size one *****) the Executor-Class is 19000 meters long. That is just under 12 times the length (12 times 1600 being 19200) of the Imperial I and Imperial II-Class star destroyer.
So, yeah, you guys need to upsize your Executor. I can even send you the information if needed.
There are a lot of sizes for the Executor.
The first number (8000m) originates from the X-Wing books, later that size was changed to 12,800m then 16,000m then up to 19,000m.
At some point an ILM employee measured the actual model of the Executor and calculated that - provided the bridge was the same size as an ISD's bridge it should be 17,800m
Some calculations which use the films as reference pinpoint the Executor everywhere between 12,000m and 19,000m depending on the scene they use as reference.
Long story short: it's a mess.
13,600m makes the Executor an impressive size which still dwarves any ISD, but it's still small enough to make it seem somewhat believable that a ship like the Mon Remonda won't instantly blow up when engaging with her.
Well, thanks for fully answering my question guys! Glad to open up some conversation. And thanks for everyone who contributed different info from various sources. Lol - It seems that the community here is better informed than the wookieepedia page.
Wookiepedia is just using the latest official canon information available which is 19,000m.
Sadly that's (although I'd personally go with 17,800m because of the studio model) just not feasible in the game, would bug out the pathfinding way too hard.
another reason why I think a Proper EaW II would've been awesome... considering that Petroglyph already had pathfinding issues with their executor the stuff could've been vastly improved in a second part... and/or bigger maps :D
From scaling against the small brass star destroyer prop built to scale with the super star destroyer, assuming a destroyer length of one mile.
You guys never fail to impress.
We try really hard for everyone, it will be our greatest reward when we can finally give this mod to everyone in thanks for all the support
*the grinch's grin*
Regarding the sizing. Using the bridge module for reference makes sense. The Executor class is supposed to be a Fleet leader in addition to a warship, so she would need more in the way of command and control facilities. If we assume that they want to use the same bridge module, they could relocate some of the other bits to the hull, particularly crew quarters.
Of course you could always increase the size of the module if you didn't want to change the layout
As for what makes up the rest of the space, well, remember that the ship does carry consumables for 6 years of operation. And has immense power requirements. And 50 times as many guns as an isd. So a lot of that extra space is taken up.
Look at the windows of the bridge here : Theforce.net
I made a photoshop resize to have the same windows scale and Executor bridge was more or less 2.5 time bigger than regular ISD bridge. ISD tower size isn't the same as Victory SD. Except if windows size of the models was not standardized when the movies were filmed. The best way to have the real size of ships is to look at windows, I did it for Freelancer and sizes are really realistic.
That's interesting... that would imply the SSD is much larger indeed...
I remember when Han Solo and the Endor ground team "flew casual" past executor bridge in ROTJ, the bridge did feel bigger
Google.com tydirium flies past executor&ved=0ahUKEwi7k8nfoPjUAhXKez4KHe3pC0oQMwiZAShaMFo&iact=mrc&uact=8
Still hard to tell...
found it out. on Wookieepedia, for the width of the Superstructure for the 19km version, it's 285 meters wide. scaling to 13km, that is still a massive bridge
keep it in mind
Executor size... The longest story in Star Wars! I remind me of debating of it in a French forum. That was tough and I got on fire...
It would be nice to make some length comparison with all Executor scales and my own scale where the bridge is 2.3 time bigger than ISD's bridge, it should be interesting and we can have the true size of Executor Super Star Destroyer.
Www3.telus.net
It could be an interesting shot to scale the Executor.
Cross section :
Vignette2.wikia.nocookie.net
Modelermagic.com
What? Confirmed they didn't used the same models... Now I'm convinced that is an endless quest...
Bonus :
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3'10'' Funny! Background ISDs foreground SSD. Scaling with this scene is a fatal error. If you try you will see the Blue Screen Of The Death! So with these old scenery shots nothing can be sure.
Better luck with CGI movies? or not?
I`ve already said this on the sister mod of vong war but I`ll say again since it was especially directed to you.
You guys make this look like a new game, not a mod, it` pretty amazing how far this modding community has come.