Sins of a Solar Empire is often described as a 4XRTS game, or a game that tried to merge the action and tactics packed gameplay of a Real time strategy game with the deep, complex, empire wide strategy of a 4X turn based game. It's up to debate whether Sins succeeded in this goal, but I think all can agree that of the 4Xs of "explore, expand, exploit, and exterminate", Sins is much more focused on the exterminate than on the others. This mod seeks to give more depth to the other 3Xs of the game by adding additional game elements or refining the existing ones to reward players who give more strategic thought to the non-combat side of the game. Combat will still be the center point of the game, but players will find that the non-combat options available will be much more rewarding. Spying, exploring, sabotage, diplomacy, culture, and economic development have all been added or changed in innovative new ways. Regardless of what you think Sins is, this is the 4XRTS it should have been.

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The next version of Enhanced 4X will feature a lot of miscellaneous changes and additions, but one of the major themes will be a rework of many of the features added in Entrenchment, including mines antistructure cruisers. There will also be some measures taken to try and make the game run better.

Posted by GoaFan77 on Jul 29th, 2012

Of all the expansions Sins of a Solar Empire has received over the years, Entrenchment is probably the most respected. It identified a major problem with the base game, the pitiful lack of defensive structures, and fixed the problem by adding starbases, mines, and upgraded structures, all for a reasonable $10. Compared to Diplomacy and even Rebellion, it was far more successful in achieving its stated goals with relatively few issues. However, over the years experience has shown a handful of problems with the system, in many cases compounded by content released after that.

Mines

Mines were one of the most requested features for Entrenchment, but in practice they probably were the most marginalized feature. While they could inflict serious damage to fleets, there main effect was to make an already slow game slower against the AI since they were a pain to clear, while in more mobile competitive games they were a waste of resources, and even if they did their job they were to micro intensive to manually replace them. This was made worse in Rebellion, now that scouts reveal mines passively, they no longer automatically target them. In addition, some theorized the vast numbers of mines that could be built in the game could contribute to late game lag.

To try and resolve these problem, mines have been totally reworked. They no longer directly explode against their targets. Instead, each mine simply represents an auto renewing mine field, and will passively damage and debuff all targets in the minefield overtime, instead of exploding all at once. The range of each mine is substantial enough that only a few are needed to cover the same amount of space hundreds of mines did, so each gravity well can now only have 10-20 mines each, instead of 150+, which could improve game performance.

Scouts clearing mines have also been reworked. Now that there are far fewer mines, its viable to have them target a single mine again. And instead of simply revealing mines to enemy targets, the scouts will automatically destroy the mines after 20 seconds, so they no longer need additional support units to help them sweep. That said, the mine sweeping can be aborted if the scout takes too much damage, so defending turrets and starbases will need to be dealt or distracted by other forces if possible.

Antistructure Cruisers

While Starbases themselves will not be changed much in the next version of Enhanced 4X, their counters will. Intended to deal with the powerful defenses they just added, antistructure cruisers have suffered greatly from the different races having huge differences in their quality (or not having one at all), and the fact most players found it easier to deal with them by building tons of bombers, the counter to structures in the original Sins, which can also be used to destroy regular units. In fact bomber spam is probably the greatest imbalance in the game, once you have enough of them its extremely difficult to counter, very mobile, and it lags the game far more than any other strategy.

To try and encourage players to use antistructure cruisers, bombers now deal 25% less absolute damage to structures and starbases. Antistructure cruisers have meanwhile been buffed with additional effects that can be applied to their targets, like Ogrovs preventing passive regeneration for a brief time. The other races' cruisers will also be reworked to try and be more useful, and the Vasari will receive a unique but mass produceable antistructure unit that they currently lack. Starbase abilities like Meteor storm will also be revised so that antistructure cruisers can attack them without fear of being destroyed. You'll need to use other defenses, like hangars and mines, if you want to protect your starbases from these threats.

Strikecraft

In addition to bombers no longer being as effective to structures, many other changes to strikecraft will made in the next version. According to the developers, strikecraft are the main cause of late game lag. To try and deal with this, strikecraft will be buffed by a modest amount, but carrier cruiser fleet supply and costs will also be increased. This should mean a fewer amount of squadrons can do the same job that many used to do, for the same costs and fleet supply. In addition, TEC and Advent squads have had the number of fighters per squad reduced, but the stats of each fighter increased so that the total squad's stats are the same, which should further help this issue. Visually this will won't be hugely noticeable, but it should result in far fewer fighters flying around in swarms late game, and could lead to a serious improvement to performance.

Any comments and concerns are welcome, and many things are subject to change depending on how these balance changes play out.

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WaffleAndy
WaffleAndy Jul 29 2012, 10:16pm says:

Nice :D

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a4rino
a4rino Jul 30 2012, 5:56pm says:

I like the changes. I especially like that bombers will be getting a smack with the nerf bat. Have you tested the AI's ability to use mines under the new system?

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GoaFan77
GoaFan77 Jul 30 2012, 7:02pm replied:

Yeah, if this isn't enough I may make flak deal some sort of AoE damage or let mines damage fighters too. And I think I can get the AI to use them, it is just going to be a lot of number tweaking to deal with their far greater ranges. Anything in this post is subject to change if the AI doesn't handle it well.

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a4rino
a4rino Aug 20 2012, 5:44pm replied:

How are these changes coming along? I'm really anxious to see something down about the power of bomber spam.

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GoaFan77
GoaFan77 Aug 20 2012, 11:12pm replied:

Pretty much all the changes detailed here are already implemented. The AI seems to handle them pretty well so far. However, I'm waiting for the next version of Rebellion to be released (which will break mods), and I hope to add a few more things before that happens.

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a4rino
a4rino Aug 21 2012, 11:54am replied:

That's good to hear. I figured you might be waiting for 1.04. Here's hoping Stardock gets the update out soon enough!

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GoaFan77
GoaFan77 Aug 21 2012, 11:12pm replied:

A Stardock Employee posted on the forums today that it will be next Tuesday (the 28th).

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a4rino
a4rino Aug 21 2012, 11:13pm replied:

Another question: How are you implementing the Vasari antistructure cruiser - will it have its own ship model? What tier tech will unlock it?

EDIT: Just saw your previous comment about 1.04. Great news!

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GoaFan77
GoaFan77 Aug 22 2012, 12:58am replied:

The Vasari anti-structure cruiser will be naturally quite unique, though I may still change exactly how it works. It is not actually a new frigate, rather it is a special entity deployed from another currently existing frigate. For now it won't have a new model, but it may get one in the future. It's unlocked at tier 5.

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TheMightyWaldo
TheMightyWaldo Sep 3 2012, 6:19pm says:

Tried to use it and my game crashes D:

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GoaFan77
GoaFan77 Sep 4 2012, 12:19am replied:

The mod is out of date due to the new patch. I am in the process of updating it, but it might take a while since I figured I may as well include all the stuff I was working on such as in this news post.

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