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While Half-Life 2 mods are a dime a dozen, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to separate yourself from the pack. And what better way than to create a hybrid shooter that harnesses the best aspects of both the RTS and first person shooter?

Posted by JoeX111 on Oct 24th, 2006
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While Half-Life 2 mods are a dime a dozen, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to separate yourself from the pack. And what better way than to create a hybrid shooter that harnesses the best aspects of both the RTS and first person shooter?

When in sunny California, be sure to visit beautiful--oh.
When in sunny California, be sure to visit beautiful--oh.


Under the heavy influence of nachos, Nerds and other N-letter junk foods I can't even begin to describe, I sat down with Dave "DaveL" Lyon and Stephen "Crispy" Etheridge of the Nuclear Dawn team. The agenda: to set this mod apart from the myriad of other Half-Life 2 mods that are already congesting poor ModDB's arteries.

What is Nuclear Dawn all about?

Nuclear Dawn is a multiplayer mod for Half-Life 2 that mixes objective-based Real-Time Strategy with First-Person Shooter action. Set after the apocalyptic world war known simply as ‘the Third’, players fight for one of two opposing forces: the Euro-American coalition of the Consortium of Free States or the Chinese-Russian alliance, the People's Empire. One player per team takes on the role of the commander and plays the game much like an RTS while the rest of the players choose one of three soldier classes to play as: the ever-prepared assault trooper, the sneaky stealth or the chaingun-wielding exo. We’ve tried to make the mod easy to pick up but difficult to master, so we’re hoping it will appeal to both the casual and the hardcore gamer.

Explain how the Commander and Field troops work. Are Commanders just issuing orders for people to follow like in Battlefield 2, or will they build and spawn different things, like in C&C: Renegade?

Stuffie! Head into the restroom! Ippo, get thee to a nunnery! And for the love of cake, someone bring me some Koolaid! That's an order!
Stuffie! Head into the restroom! Ippo, get thee to a nunnery! And for the love of cake, someone bring me some Koolaid! That's an order!


One player on each team has the opportunity to play the game from a top-down view, using a traditional RTS-style interface to gather important tactical information about his enemy and execute strategic plays with the help of his teammates on the ground. As well as giving simple movement orders, he can select members of his team and ask them to perform specific actions at key locations such as attacking an enemy unit, defending a friendly unit or building a structure the commander has just deployed.

As these ground troops advance towards the enemy base, they will encounter capture points along the way that they can secure to unlock valuable resources for their commander and team. The commander can use his income to build key structures back at base that grant his team access to new technologies. Meanwhile the troops who capture the resource points get their own cash bonuses to spend on new equipment and increasing their firepower.

The commander dictates the pace and direction of the game rather than being the determining factor in a player’s enjoyment of it. Unable to deal direct damage to the enemy he must support his soldiers by using his skill and cunning to successfully coordinate his team’s attacks. For example, one of the super weapons available to him, the EMP strike, disables the buildings of the opposition but does not destroy or damage them; this is left for his troops to take care of. Similarly, all turrets work on line of sight, they can only shoot at what they can see. But there’s a twist – they are limited to a 120۫ firing arc and must therefore be positioned carefully if they are to provide any real means of defence.

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Hey, it's the ModDB Corporate Offices in...uh...the Sudan.
Hey, it's the ModDB Corporate Offices in...uh...the Sudan.


If following the orders of the Commander is not a requirement to playing the game, what is to prevent him from just being ignored entirely in a given match? Is he more of an organisational feature?

The second a game becomes a question of following a fixed path it becomes a less enjoyable experience. With the exception of your basic victory conditions (e.g. eliminate the other team), we have tried to avoid hardwiring in any set style of play, and instead have focused on giving players the option to shape the game they play. There is nothing in Nuclear Dawn to prevent anyone from ignoring the commander, but at the same time listening to the orders of a (good) commander will no doubt benefit the player and their team. The object of this is not to make the commander a redundant force in the game, but to give each player control over how they personally derive enjoyment from the game without this having an adverse effect on the enjoyment of others playing the game.

The commander is in charge of coordinating the players on his team, so ultimately he can choose to support players who are a benefit to his team and ignore those who want to play their own game. One other side effect we have anticipated is that with the commander in a less pressurised support role, first-timers will have much more room to breath so they can develop their skills at their own pace.

What separates your mod from, say, Empires and Natural Selection?

There are many ways Nuclear Dawn differs from both mods, one of the main points being the influence of the commander on the game. In an RTS/FPS the main goal is to get the two genres coexisting happily on the same level, however in both Empires and Natural Selection the enjoyment factor for the FPS side of the game is determined by the RTS side, which is down to how just one player on the team plays – the commander. It’s a frustrating scenario when one person’s actions can spoil the fun for an entire team, even more frustrating, though, is if that person’s only crime was being new to the game.

's a big tanning booth.
's a big tanning booth.


In Nuclear Dawn there is no such burdening requirement for the RTS commander. While he can be of great use to your team, for the most part you actually play the game as an FPS grunt the same with or without a commander in the game. When players enter the game both teams have a ready-made base with all the basics to get them started, you do not need a commander to buy guns, respawn, or potentially win the game.

One of the other main differences is our approach to incorporating teamwork into Nuclear Dawn’s gameplay. You can never force players to work together as a team, but you can create the right situation where teamwork occurs more naturally. When construction is completed on any given structure, a percentage of its original cost is refunded to the team and divvied up between the players who helped build it. This way it’s in a player’s interests to stop and help their teammates build something because it gets them money they can spend on customising their own equipment and weapons loadout.

Capturing resource points also rewards the individual as well as the team, the cash reward being split between the soldiers and their commander. Players are free to generate their own personal income and equip themselves however they want, whenever they want, so there’s much less waiting about and more time can be spent enjoying the FPS side of the game. This also frees up the commander so that he can concentrate his attentions on the strategic element of the game.

By providing personal incentives for completing common team objectives such as building important structures back at base or capturing resource points at the front lines, selfish players become team players because they know this ‘teamwork’ will pay for their next upgrade.

It seems like a lot of time is spent upgrading your characters in-game by purchasing better equipment. How is spawning handled in the game? Are these upgrades things that can be applied each time you spawn, or must you earn them each time you regenerate?

Upgrades are basically divided into two groups: personal upgrades and team upgrades. Personal upgrades are chosen and purchased by the player and are lost when you die. Team upgrades are paid for and researched by the commander and stay with the player indefinitely unless a key structure is destroyed.

The darkness broken<br />
Shadows waging silent war<br />
A needless haiku
The darkness broken
Shadows waging silent war
A needless haiku


Purchasing weapons in Nuclear Dawn will be much like buying your weapons at the beginning of a round in Counter-Strike, the difference being that additional ‘buy zones’ can be built further up the battlefield to support the troops fighting at the frontlines. The ‘buy zone’ is situated around the armory structure, and it is here that you purchase weapons and other equipment via a simple mouse or hotkey menu. To reduce the time spent repurchasing weapons, players will be able to save their favourite weapon configurations in order to access them quickly when they respawn.

A few months back we decided to switch from the ‘drip’ respawn system seen in Natural Selection to the ‘wavespawn’ style found in Day of Defeat. Even though this was quite late in development for us and it meant a reassessment of the game mechanics, we’re confident in the benefits it will bring to our teamplay model.

It seems as though Natural Selection is primarily fought out in close corridors locations, while Empires is set in wide open spaces. Will Nuclear Dawn favor one side, the other, or strike a balance between the two?

With Nuclear Dawn we’re looking to create a mod with gameplay that provides the ideal testing ground for players who really want to push themselves and their teams to the limit if that is what appeals to them. In general terms, there’s scope for maps with very varied settings and layouts. Maps for Nuclear Dawn can be just about as open as the Source engine will allow, although level-over-level play is discouraged in because of how the commander interacts via a top-down perspective.

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And strike the Charlie's Angels pose!
And strike the Charlie's Angels pose!


Tell us a little about the different game modes.

The core game mode plays like an objective-based team shooter with a resource system and technology tree like in a real-time strategy game. The main objective is to wipe out the other team by destroying their base so they can no longer bring reinforcements onto the battlefield.

This will be the main game mode that players can expect with our first public release, but we’re definitely looking at other possibilities to bring more scope to the game. For example, we’re a big fan of the ‘dustbowl’ and ‘hunted’ maps in Team Fortress Classic that bring in a different style of play without changing the core gameplay. Any additional game ‘modes’ we try in the future will follow this design philosophy so that they do not detract from the RTS/FPS gameplay at the heart of Nuclear Dawn.

What is the background of the Nuclear Dawn team? Is this their first mod, or have they worked on others before?

Our team ranges from industry professionals working on multi-million dollar games to members working on their very first mod, and includes members from right across the globe. Because we have such a large team, solid organisation and management is absolutely essential to bringing this talent together to make Nuclear Dawn a reality.

Many mods lately, especially ones powered by the Source engine, seem to be switching over to the retail market. Would your team ever consider following suit? And why?

We’ve got no such plans for the moment. Our only interest at present and for the foreseeable future is to make a fun, free mod for Half-Life 2.

Will combat be tailored more towards realism or frenzied action?

We have semi-realistic looking guns that recoil if you hold down the fire button and players move and behave as you expect them to, but that’s about as realistic as Nuclear Dawn gets. Many decisions have been made where we forego realism for gameplay. The commander can build T-gates that teleport players to another location on the map. Obviously these aren’t realistic but they are an integral part of creating a fun and dynamic playing experience.


"I said I'll be out in a minute! Geez!"


What are some of the weapons players can expect to find?

We set Nuclear Dawn in the near future to break free from some of the restrictions of modern day weaponry. On the other hand we decided to stick with bullet-based firearms because we felt a lot of the gritty battle atmosphere is lost if you suddenly have lasers whizzing through the air. One major focus has been to have weapons that sound and feel powerful, from a chaingun that can tear through an entire room of enemies to a sniper rifle that can blow somebody’s head clean off!

Why multiplayer only?

One of the things that makes the RTS/FPS genre so exciting is the ability to remove the limitations that AI places on real-time strategy and replace it with a far less predictable human element. In any typical RTS game one thing you can depend on is the behaviour of an enemy commander’s units. In an RTS/FPS such as Nuclear Dawn every unit is a human player with completely unique movement and attack patterns and the superior ability to perform intricate tactical operations with fellow members of a team. A single-player version of an RTS/FPS simply wouldn’t be doing justice to the genre because it fails to take full advantage of the very thing that distances it from a normal RTS.

Because the RTS/FPS concept is fairly new there’s a lot that hasn’t yet been done with it and the replayability factor of multiplayer games over single-player titles will ensure that we can really explore the possibilities of the genre. We fully expect some great ideas and custom content to come out of the community, from suggestions for brand new game modes to custom maps for all occasions. We can only cover all angles if we’re in touch with the people who play the game.

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My "spare car key."


Nuclear Dawn seems to have a post-apocalyptic theme to it, yet all of the cities seem to be intact and preserved in the screenshots. Why is this?

One of the big differences in how warfare has changed in Nuclear Dawn is the development of nanotechnology. While in some landlocked areas such as Eastern Europe the battle was fought with ground forces and armour support, much of the Third was decided with nuclear strikes and nanobot viruses that targeted the enemy’s immune system. So, although the Japanese city shown in our screenshots wasn’t directly hit by any nukes, in the nuclear fallout that followed it was caught in a radiation zone and those that could were forced to flee to safety in other parts of the country. Now the radiation levels have subsided and the militaries of the Consortium and the Empire have moved in to vie for control of this ghost town.

Will all characters on the field be player-controlled, or will there be bots battling alongside you?

We do currently have some bots in-game but they’re merely to test out commander features and only respond to simple move and build orders they are given. A version of these bots will be included in a commander tutorial we aim to have ready for the first public release but there won’t be multiplayer support for them. We are conscious that a lot of players do enjoy practising with bots offline so we’re not ruling out the possibility of developing a set of official bots for Nuclear Dawn just yet.

Do you plan to create any fiction to go along with your interesting game universe, or will it merely be the backdrop on which the gameplay is situated?

Granted, you could argue that there is no place for a story in a multiplayer game –players don’t really need to know why they’re fighting, just where the opposition is and how to overcome it. Our opinion on this is that a well-crafted story can really bring a mod to life, artistically speaking. The extensive timeline we have on the website is not only a point of interest for avid readers, it has provided a wealth of information and inspiration for members of the dev team. We hope it will do the same for members of our community who wish to make custom content for the mod, and to keep the content fresh we have plans to incorporate the best fiction from our community into what we already have, allowing the Nuclear Dawn universe to evolve organically over time.

We ran a creative writing competition recently to give away spots on our closed beta test and some of the entries we had in just blew us away. This just goes to show that there’s a lot of creative potential out there going unnoticed because people aren’t getting enough encouragement to develop their abilities when their minds are at their most active. It’s precisely this sort of talent that we want to tap into with Nuclear Dawn to expand the mod with new environments, new game modes, and so on.

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Aurel_Tristen
Aurel_Tristen Oct 31 2006, 10:50am says:

Yet another game that has to be inspired by Jin-Roh
Storytellersbookclub.com

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yourgrandma
yourgrandma Oct 30 2006, 12:28pm says:

watching this mod sense the very beginning... can't wait!

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Piuneer
Piuneer Oct 28 2006, 11:50am says:

All I know is that I'm "gunna" love this mod.

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JoeX111
JoeX111 Oct 27 2006, 2:12pm says:

What I like best about this feature is that the Muralis guy on the front page looks like he is trying to punch out the Nuclear Dawn trooper. XD

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Piuneer
Piuneer Oct 27 2006, 2:29pm says:

can't wait. Loved this mod from the start. :)

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methy
methy Oct 28 2006, 4:34am says:

Is everyone "gunna" forget about Gloom when saying that Natural Selection is the first FPS/RTS and about Iron Grip when saying that Empires is the best on HL2? Well, the way I see it, it's a genre, this looks to be a nice addition to it. Good going!

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DrZais
DrZais Oct 27 2006, 4:15pm says:

Nice article, intresting to hear some definite info onsuch a stunning looking mod,
although obviously the looks are only half the pie...

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Jyffeh
Jyffeh Oct 27 2006, 5:07pm says:

I can't help but feel like this mod is going to die...

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JoseSkinner
JoseSkinner Oct 27 2006, 6:05pm says:

"While Half-Life 2 mods are a dime a dozen, it takes a lot of hard work and dedication to separate yourself from the pack. And what better way than to create a hybrid shooter that harnesses the best aspects of both the RTS and first person shooter?"
The hell?
Why does everyone seem to forget Empires.
I know it isn't the biggest yet but people always say RTS/FPS is new, Empires has been doing it a while.
I think this is looking good in all but Empires has already proven them selfs to be a major mod yet no one seems to remember.

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OmeVince
OmeVince Oct 27 2006, 7:48pm says:

Kudos to ND team for the visuals :). I hope this game works out well since i'm a huge fan of NS.

Ps JoseSkinner is right in some ways, but Empires didnt start it ya know, FPS/RTS is indeed nothing "new" (what is?), since HL1 -> NS fame ppl have been working on that "concept".
Its not about who's the first, its about who does it the best. FPS/RTS hybrid is even older than HL1 if i remember correctly, but mostly it gets fuxed and isnt smooth and solid in gameplay so the fame is no where near CS.
Then you have huge succesfull ones like NS, and follow-ups who tend to blend that succes with other smaller factors (who become succesfull because they've learned from the innovators mistakes and shortcomings).
ND's approach i think is to take the strenght of NS, mix that with some sci-fi elements to give them freedom of design and artistic elements, and add CS-style fighting to attract a broad range of ppl.
By focussing on quality in graphics and a smooth gameplay that they know will work, they are working on perfecting a Genre rather than creating one.
They're taking allready existing proven gameplay concepts, altering them slightly with this blend, mixing the best of genre's. -> its not innovation, but they have a big chance of being a succes nevertheless. This approach imo is smart, and a good load of these small design innovative blends end up making it to the top.
Look at DoD, NS and CS, analyse them and try and determine where there succes came from => total new genre? total innovative design? innovative graphics? -> smooth design perfecting existing elements to a solid game.
I wish them luck and am looking forward to this mod :)

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GusTheLegend
GusTheLegend Oct 27 2006, 8:01pm says:

Phail, Nuff said.

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JoseSkinner
JoseSkinner Oct 27 2006, 9:17pm says:

I know Empires didn't start it but it is the best FPS/RTS game for HL2 right now.
To talk about this mod though,
Can they keep the game looking that nice and not lag that much?

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JoeX111
JoeX111 Oct 27 2006, 9:56pm says:
JoseSkinner wrote:Why does everyone seem to forget Empires.

Why not read the rest of the article, where I actually mention Empires? I never said Nuclear Dawn was the only one, I just said it was a nice way to separate itself from the rest of the pack, because they aren't exactly a widespread occurance.

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WraithsLotus
WraithsLotus Oct 28 2006, 2:02am says:

You gunna mention that nuclear dawn hires people and then fires them and keeps the wok and dont credit them?

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Wraiyth
Wraiyth Oct 31 2006, 5:18am says:

Joe, you win the award for the worst caption ever. 'My spare car key'.

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JeebusMcChrist
JeebusMcChrist Oct 28 2006, 5:02pm says:

HHAHAHAHAHAHA

An MST3k reference as a caption. A winner is you.

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BDNeon
BDNeon Oct 28 2006, 5:13pm says:

The way I see Empires and Nuclear Dawn is, that Empires gives better quality on the strategy apsect of the game, while Nuclear Dawn, judging from what I've seen from the media, gives better quality on the first person shooter aspect of the game. The two are like yin and yang, similar, but opposites.

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JoeX111
JoeX111 Oct 28 2006, 11:51pm says:
JeebusMcChrist wrote:HHAHAHAHAHAHA

An MST3k reference as a caption. A winner is you.


Someone caught it!

Huzzah! XD

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migb
migb Oct 29 2006, 5:02am says:

What is this mod really?
NS with both teams marine, and a commander that is unneccessary.

Somehow I don't think it will beat Iron Grip: The Oppression in combining RTS and FPS.

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Notion
Notion Oct 30 2006, 2:40am says:

No one knows how to combine rts and fps. A lot of people have ideas that they find exciting by nature and theory, but application is where no one does their homework. Oh god, if I had a coder.

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Moisty
Moisty Nov 1 2006, 12:56pm says:

I have followed this game since the beginning when the site was just a few bits of consept art and the odd bit of info on the new site and a basic over view of how the game that was intended. i have been a cs and css player for as long as i can remeber and started out on tfc and even had a go at NS with my younger brother playing for team EU.. but anyways i think the idea of game play from css and the rts thing will be sweet and the fact that the comander is not always crutial but is deffo worth having all seems to be great and the fact that they are taking so long to weed out any crap that may cause the game to flop is fantastic but jesus christ i wish they would work faster lol i want to play it. css is boring the sh!te out of me even though i have a clan sigh.. and im even playing dare i say it the battlefield 2142 demo :S sigh so i need something new.. quake wars is coming out soon and that has simmilar ideas behind it. but i think this will be a stunner or rather i hope it will.... does anyone have any inside info on when it might be coming out or even a guestamate.. b4 i cut myself.. thnx

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Forceflow
Forceflow Nov 1 2006, 5:24pm says:

Interesting interview, though.

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arkythesharky
arkythesharky Nov 4 2006, 4:00pm says:
Quote:Is everyone "gunna" forget about Gloom when saying that Natural Selection is the first FPS/RTS and about Iron Grip when saying that Empires is the best on HL2?

Empires >>>> Iron Grip

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methy
methy Nov 5 2006, 6:46am says:
arklansman wrote:Empires >>>> Iron Grip

Whoa! That was an opinionated statement I made. Who'd a thunk it?

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First&Only
First&Only Nov 6 2006, 10:19pm says:

I've been sold on Nuclear Dawn for quite some time, just do some snooping in the developer's portfolios and you can find loads of unreleased screenshots, renders, and textures (www.littlelostpoly.co.uk, look under work completed for nuclear dawn, theres even a movie you can watch;) ).
It's been in the works for quite a while, but the team chose to actually get some real development underway before they went public.

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ensignyu
ensignyu Nov 21 2006, 9:03pm says:

Hey everyone, these are all great mods. No need to fight over which is the best. The more important thing is {NS/Nuclear Dawn/Empires/Iron Grip} > CS, right? There are tens of thousands of CS players who don't know that there are better mods out there. If you could get even 1% of those CS players to start playing your favorite mod, you would gain far more players than if you tried to draw players from Dystopia or any of the other less mainstream mods.

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Alois55
Alois55 Jun 18 2008, 8:24am says:

This is Smod:Tactikal clon

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LORDDEREX
LORDDEREX Jan 7 2009, 2:58pm says:

lol

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