Wolfenstein Source [WIP] Thread

Im working on a small project which basically aims to do to Wolfenstein what the BMS team did to Half Life 1 - Update it for the source engine. Currently im just recreating the first level, but if enough people like it and are willin to help ill see where it goes

UPDATE: The new arches

UPDATE: The wells

UPDATE: New Images & Inspiration image

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If you hadn't started on Source I would have advised you not to use it
Anyways, you might wanna make sure that you aren't gonna get C&D'd for this project. Have you contactd id at all in regards to it?

I don't think iD would take kindly, especially with a new Wolfenstein in the works. Various Doom Source mods have been shutdown over the past few years, Wolf is unlikely to be an exception.

Could you do it on Doom3/Quake4? I don't know for sure, but I assume that would be seen in a more favourable light than doing so on Source.

Even if you go for an ID tech4 game, you'd best make sure you won't get shut down before you commit too much work to it. Don't even try on Source, you will get a Cease and Desist for sure.

Yeah hopefully you don't get C&D for this looks cool... oh and are the WADs supposed to be that quality, because I like it like that haha... gives that nostalgic wolfenstein feel.

it's being done in doom 3 currently: Doom3world.org
There's a nice looking Quake mod for D3 too.

but it's nazi's & WW2. Just don't call it "wolfenstien" (actually... maybe you could. id doesn't own THAT name, they ripped it from a previous game). In fact... searching the US copyright office shows this info:
1. Registration Number: TX-3-849-473
Title: Wolfenstein.
Description: Computer program.
Claimant: acID Software, Inc.
Created: 1992
Published: 15May92
Registered: 10Jun94
Special Codes: 1/C/D

use a different font & i don't believe, legally, they can touch you as long as you don't rip-off anything. I wouldn't worry about a C&D on this one.

Castle Wolfenstein and Beyond Castle Wolfenstein were 1982 Muse Software games.

iD released Wolfenstein 3D in 1992.

there's several game under "wolfenstein." id doesn't own the "wolfenstein" name, just the trademarks that it's a part of.

Technically, you can trademark "wolfenstein source" if you wanted.
trademark search: Tess2.uspto.gov

Ahhh fond memories.

Wolfeinstein is actually a reference to a specific rock formation in Germany, apparently:
Reference.com

Or you could hyphenate it to Wolfen-stein, which is seems to be a location in Ohio:
Dictionary.reference.com

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I like the second one haha.

Stening wolf

Seems like a good idea though, my only comment on it would be that moving it onto an updated game like source might remove the "takiness" that makes it amazingly nostalgic, some people might appreciate the change over though . Personally I'd prefer too see some sort of pseudo cell shading or something, but I wouldnt even have the beggining of a clue as to how you can cell shade on a source engine, I'm guessing its just to do with pol count and texturising, which may make your job easier, but making the light match a retro colorization for the game would be hard.

Thats just my thoughts anyway, I think most people would appreciate even being able to play a simple conversion as long as it has the music, I know I would .

Cool idea. I completely agree with AbedeuS that using some sort of cell shading could add to visual appeal of the game. It'd definitely be possible to do on the source engine (look at Team Fortress 2), though might require a lot of added work.
Most people -myself included- would play this game purely for the nostalgic value.

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TF2 had a lot more going on for their rendering purposes. Here is a video explaining what they did. You might need a plugin to view it.

To the OP: that looks like a good start, but it would be cool to see Wolfenstein brought up to the specs and visuals of this/next generation of video games. Add more stuff, make it darker, pay more attention to details. Those eagles sitting on top of swasticas could be modeled, and not just a flat texture slapped on a polygon.

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Yeah, unless you added detail it kinda makes a remake useless. As much as I hate them, Black Mesa are doing it relatively right with remaking HL.

But they are taking so long
I hope they will finish next year or earlier.

Random question: Why does everybody on this forum hate the source engine? Its just something ive noticed here and i was wondering why BTW the guy doing the doom version gave up on it. Anywho, i've been working on the arches, trying to get a 3d model of a gold eagle just like the image (if anyone can help please let me know ).

I've been working on making every part of the original map better, more in tune with next gen games; the old images were just old progress shots. Heres an update from within hammer:

Wireframe:

Normal:

PS. I dont really think they would C&D me, its very different to the original wolfenstein3d.

Cell shading on the current Source Engine build is VERY possible. The Source Engine is actually one of the best engines, it's just so easy and flexible.

Good work on it, I've never played any of the games, but it looks faithful to the original, from what I can tell.

Ha. Ha. Ha.
Why does everyone here hate Source? Well, its mainly me (even though I mod it), but the engine is... well, it sucks. The codebase is complex to work with. Steam is a pain in the arse. The engine is technologically behind most others, and the toolset blows.

Cell shading on the current Source Engine build is VERY possible. The Source Engine is actually one of the best engines, it's just so easy and flexible.

True Cel Shading isn't possible, simply because you can't change the lighting. You can do cartoony textures and shaders all you want, but the fact remains that the lighting engine won't make it complete. And while Source is flexible (theres alot there to change, I'll give you that), it is NOT easy.

Wraiyth wrote: Ha. Ha. Ha.
Why does everyone here hate Source? Well, its mainly me (even though I mod it), but the engine is... well, it sucks. The codebase is complex to work with. Steam is a pain in the arse. The engine is technologically behind most others, and the toolset blows.

Too true - I've not much enjoyed working with Source for well, years now... I feel more sorry for the artists, who have to get their hands dirty with command line tools and script files - poor guys, they look at me with confusion on their faces and tears in their eyes, it breaks my heart!

Welcome to the forums Ging

It's been over two years, I felt it was time...

to keep this vaguely on topic, good luck with your mod - my issue from looking at the screen shots is that you've retained a lot of the "flatness" of the original game, you've got the chance to make it truly like some old nazi castle with really interesting architecture. I'd certainly have to say that you should go with your own colour scheme, rather than the blue walls of nastiness.

Haven't posted in a few days, but progress hasn't stopped Lots more of the map being created, and as I make more, I end up changing old stuff and remaking it alot, so the maps kind of evolving

I've made lots of progress, and am more or less sure how this map will look by the end of it, but its all work in progress so nothing to really see. Never the less i still have another screenshot from inside hammer

Cellshading is possible on Source I believe. Look at the bouncy ball in GMOD10