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Add addon [1.5.4] Grok's Ballistics Overhaul - EFT ammo pen
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Grokitach
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A complete overhaul of how ammo works in the game. New ammo types, new armor penetration system bypassing the engjne, tankier mutants but weaker weakspots. Inspired by are recommended to be taken down with AP Ammo. Overhauls BAS weapons recoil. Only concerns Player to NPC/Monsters shots.

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[1.5.4] Grok's Ballistics Overhaul - EFT ammo pen
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utsubo
utsubo

I found the mod interesting. There are a few things in the description that I don't like, but I'm going to try a few things first before asking.
First of all, let me hastily check this:what is the get_models_capture.sh file needed for? It looked like it got mixed up.

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

It's for modders if they want to make a compatibility patch with this add-on for their NPC new models automatically. It is needed since the code of this addon is checking the armor profile of NPCs visual models.

If you use MO2, I'm not sure this file is an issue.

And yes, test it ;)

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utsubo
utsubo

thanks you! I just play with mods normally, so i can delete it, right?

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Yes you can safely remove it

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utsubo
utsubo

Now, the phrase "Ammo sell for a low price" was my concern, but it was a big misunderstanding. Your balancing is really to my liking.
Shi*ty translation site and my sh*tty English reading comprehension. I'm really sorry.
There is no longer any reason for me not to include this mod.

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Guest
Guest

Hablas español?

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nize2864
nize2864

Is tissue damage same for 7.62x51 NATO Ball Round & 7.62x51 AP Rounds ?

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Yes

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nize2864
nize2864

Hey Grok! Lovely work there mate !
Do you think this could be related to your mod ?
It does happen during some AI firefight. Haven't tried disabling the mod and i'm using More Armours addon too if that could be related...

FATAL ERROR

[error]Expression : ParentID != BI_NONE
[error]Function : CKinematics::BoneChain_Calculate
[error]File : ..\xrRender\SkeletonRigid.cpp
[error]Line : 230
[error]Description : assertion failed

stack trace:

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

AI vs AI fights are not taken into account with this addon so I doubt it

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nize2864
nize2864

Okay i disabled the mod and still crashes. It's not your mod Grok! Nothing for you to worry about :)

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Zebz213
Zebz213

you ever figure out what cause the error?

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nize2864
nize2864

Not really. All i know is that it's caused by new models and i've narrowed it down to More Armours addon and disabled Death Animations and GBO mods but the crash still persisted 9/10 times on that same scene. Pretty confident it's More Armours addon but it's really rare crash . I've tried duplicate the crash in debug map but it just didn't CTD... So far it's still a mystery...

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Zebz213
Zebz213

I do have all of those installed, I have AlifeWarefare installed and it is constantly crashing because of so many NPC's fighting, guess I'll start a new game without the Armors and test again.

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tehsystem
tehsystem

But increasing the price of ammo? Not sure about this... would you be willing to release a version without changed economy?

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Try it. Only AP price is increased. Time to kill is much shorter with AP ammo against exos. You need less bullets. They are only required against Exos and endgame targets.

Other targets might need only one AP ammo in the head. Other ammos can be used efficiently against unarmored or lightly armored targets.

This is a shift from Vanilla game.

I won't release a version without this change because the game will be trivialized, and it goes against my "work" of balancing the game.

The main advantage of this addon is to finally get rid of the buckshots supremacy and force the player to use more diverse weapons and think about which ammo to use in which condition.

Using AP against mutants? That's a bad call, use HP ammo. Even against Pseudogiant, yes. Because mutants don't have armors, only damage reduction. Trust me ;)

Also, by the time you need AP ammo, you'll have what is needed to craft them. Uncraft old ammos.

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Veynam
Veynam

Hi, would you be willing to make a patch for you own GCRO - Traders Sell Random Condition Items? This is a wonderful mode regardless:)

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Veynam
Veynam

Just noticed the update. You're a legend

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Wang_Laoshi
Wang_Laoshi

That armor decrease thing is good, but maybe you could make it even more realistic by considering one more factor - blunt force trauma which is caused by the bullet kinetic energy even when the armor wasn't penetrated. Basically this means that a percentage of damage should still be applied to target's HP, not only armor. The more powerful the round is, the more damage is applied

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

It's already implemented but nerfed a lot.

HP ammos have higher residual damages than FMJ for instance.

The problem is buckshots again. If the remaining damages are too high, buckshots will still do a lot of damage, and balance will be broken once again as in Vanilla.

You can check the formulas in grok_bo.script. Residual damages are defined line 218

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Wang_Laoshi
Wang_Laoshi

Ah, it's clear. Yea, that buckshot thing is really a problem in such case. But maybe it's possible to disable non-penetration damage for it at all? From what I know, any more or less decent armor vest would be quite effective in negating such damage.

And this damage can also be tweaked separately. That's cool!

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Yes a special case can be applied to buckshots. One is already in place line 198 to reduce AP power for buckshots in the leg (because with +0.12 AP per pellet, they 2 shot exos in the legs).

Concussion damages work by stunning the opponents currently, which gives you enough time to let you destroy any armor part usually.

Buffing concussion damage "a bit" won't decrease Time To Kill so much I think, even when using FMJ vs Exos.

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steelkeeper0
steelkeeper0

whats concussion damage

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thisisntmysteamid
thisisntmysteamid

Are you able to make compatibility with JSRS Port 3.6 Sound Overhaul? That mod also has a weapons_ammo.ltx file. I'm currently trying to merge the files.

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Ah I didn't know about this. I'll be back on Saturday night to do it

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Guest
Guest

MO2 shows that its from the tracers JSRS adds, other than that the only other conflict appears to be the trade presets from Trader Overhaul.

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Yes I double checked that, this add-on is compatible with JSRS.

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

I think I will solve the issue by externalizing the ammo ltx file used by my script. That way this add-on will be almost 100% conflict free.

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thisisntmysteamid
thisisntmysteamid

thanks man. im having no luck trying to merge the files lol, 5000+ lines of pain

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massimogrecoab
massimogrecoab

Yes, this will be perfection, because so many good mods alter's weapons_ammo.ltx...

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thisisntmysteamid
thisisntmysteamid

Also I would like to point out something, I see as a discrepancy.
Imgur.com
The description doesn't really match. (Don't mean to nitpick, I just wanted to point it out. It's a very trivial problem.)
ACP only has two ammo variants, one being regular FMJ and the other Hollowpoint (as described in the description). Mod changes Hydroshock rounds to being AP, losing .45 ACP's HP variant.
It would be a bit more realistic if it remained HP imo.
It'd pretty cool if .45 ACP had a third variant, being AP.

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Oh you are totally right thanks !

Well, let's see, new variants mean lots of incompatibilites. But, I will make an independent ammo ltx file, and I'll be able to add new individual icons. So this should be doable in the long run. Thanks for pointing this out

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angrycat2017
angrycat2017

But what about the damage from NPCs to the player? Any plans to address that too?

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

It's a really really different beast. This system couldn't be applied to the player, or you would die very fast and you'll need to repair your armors very very often.... Tarkov style, but it doesn't work well in a game such as Stalker.

so on the player side, new things must be done, and this is essentially related to how artefacts interact with base armor values.

Currently artefacts work as a base armor defense multiplier, which is why Full Empty + Exo = invincibility.

A capped additive system would help. Currently this is defined in engine. But damages are also defined in engine and I succesfully bypassed the engine in this addon.

I will see if I can also change it for how armor and artefacts work, and also change a bit how bullets AP work compared to player armor.

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angrycat2017
angrycat2017

I can only wish you best of luck and thank you for your work!

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GalaxiT
GalaxiT

You doing nice work. Now we a little bit closer to Escape From Anomaly.

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Redarmort
Redarmort

very cool mod! im curious, how does the system from NPC works when fighting again us the player ? since this only works when fighting against NPC

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

The vanilla system is used. It is very similar to player vs npc in vanilla.

But the player has some inate damage reduction and bone armor tied to the kind of armor he is wearing.

I cannot simply port the system introduced by this addon for the npc vs player fights because your bone armor would be reduced permanently... And you'll most likely die very, very fast.

So other alternatives must be explored.

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GroksBiggestFan
GroksBiggestFan

I love you.
This mod is completely not compatible with Weapon Damage Adjustment, right?

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Nope it's not recommended to have both

Also, what the **** is that oO

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GroksBiggestFan
GroksBiggestFan

What do you mean, papa?

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Lucas1978
Lucas1978

lol +1

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Villainz
Villainz

you cant have a ballistics overhaul without an armor overhaul. maybe pair the 2 mods together to make it feel complete

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Later on yes. But this is a different system

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mer1toraccount
mer1toraccount

need weapon parts pls

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

What ?

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mer1toraccount
mer1toraccount

weapon parts has conflicts with your mod in the weapon_ammo.ltx

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

Ah yes. I will make a compatibility patch

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mer1toraccount
mer1toraccount

thank you

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maslinupoymal
maslinupoymal

You wrote about 50 BMG, but what weapons are they used in? In the game without addons, the M82 use 12.7x55. Do I need to install BAS for these ammo to appear? Or Moddb.com

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Grokitach Author
Grokitach

.50 BMG and 12.7x55 are almost similar in terms of power. These ammo are in the game but not used that is true. Same for 4.6 I think.

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