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There seems to be an increase of spam on ModDB, so we have begun taking measures to stop it.

Posted by INtense! on Jan 31st, 2010

To preface, I am not talking about spam bots who are trying to push products, scams and crap. If you ever see a comment, forum post or receive a PM from someone like this, please send us their username and we will erase all traces of them from the site. ModDB is a 100% spam free zone, and will always remain that way.

What I am referring to, is members spamming one another and their blog posts, which I am assuming they do to raise their "karma / activity points". To combat this, all members found responsbile are being banned (a few already), their comments erased and their karma / points reset to zero. If you are seen posting spam ANYWHERE on the site, this will happen to you too. Members, please report those you feel are spamming, so we can deal with them appropriately.

Secondly, because of these members immature actions, the karma / points system has been updated to only issue points on a unique basis. Spamming comments over and over as has been occurring will no longer help raise your level, it will only help you get banned. Same applies to forum posts, blog posts, news posts and everything else on the site.

The aim of ModDB, is to provide a community for game developers and players to share their thoughts and opinions with one another. Spam and nonsense ruins it for the majority who are here to better their skills and games, so please respect the rules and stick to insightful, meaningful discussion.

Karma Spam

It has been brought to my attention that members are also spamming karma and continually down voting certain members / mods they dislike. That too is just as bad and will be dealt with appropiately. I will be investigating a few reports of this to ensure this practice stops as well.

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INtense! Author
INtense! Jan 31 2010, 11:23am says:

Previous spamming will be bannable, I have checked the logs and noticed a number of members who should be banned. At the moment I have banned the 3 worst, but will consider banning the rest if they are reported to me.

So they are not banned *yet* but are on seriously thin ice

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cW#Ravenblood
cW#Ravenblood Jan 31 2010, 12:29pm replied:

thx for banning "spamerific", they suxed ma balls -.-

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m82sniper
m82sniper Jan 31 2010, 8:44pm replied:

Seriously, I was about to punch their Canadian faces through the internets if something wasn't done about them...

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phipe
phipe Jan 31 2010, 11:31am says:

There is this person, who has posted "NICE!" on many pictures and concept art from the mod Black Mesa. You mean he is rollerskating through fire and flames now?

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INtense! Author
INtense! Jan 31 2010, 11:40am replied:

Essentially yes. Posting NICE on the odd picture you like is fine, posting NICE on virtually everything is adding no value and is clearly spamming to increase your "level". Another option instead of banning is removing certain members ability to post comments, we have done that in the past

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feillyne Staff
feillyne Jan 31 2010, 11:44am says:

What about comments who got their Karma down for nothing?

If somebody is to be banned for spamming, also someone should be upped if he just suggested something and everybody voted him down - justice must work both ways, not only banning & deleting or castigating members.

Also cleansing from unjust votes or balancing mod/game ratings when they're clearly underrated b/c some trolls got their hands on voting.

Comments should be voted down only in a situation when the author abuses vulgar words (not directed at anyone in particular), justify anything very inappropriate (e.g. racism), ASO.
Not opposite/other opinions. Everyone should have a right to express his opinion, however different from others. And I've seen many people got their comments' Karma down just b/c they had expressed different opinions. Quite politely.

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cW#Ravenblood
cW#Ravenblood Jan 31 2010, 12:31pm replied:

Its a different if you vote someones karma down because you want to shoff of or something or that you vote karma down becasue you dont agree with the comment

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feillyne Staff
feillyne Jan 31 2010, 12:48pm replied:

No, it isn't.

Negative Karma should be given only when somebody spammed, abused the amount of vulgar words, said something referring to explicit material or warez (but NOT published any links himself), and so on.

But for a different opinion? Just because you don't agree? You steal from that guy his activity points!

It's simply unfair.

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DuckSauce
DuckSauce Jan 31 2010, 12:56pm replied:

You're right, different opinions is no reason to down karma a comment, however often on ModDB the way these "opinions" are declared is incredibly immature, usually along the lines of: "This game sucks, don't play it." That's not an opinion that's declaring something, others may like the game and it's hurting the development teams of those games(and mods).

I up-karma anyone I agree with or can declare his opinion in a mature way, most others are gonna get the minus from me.

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cW#Ravenblood
cW#Ravenblood Jan 31 2010, 1:22pm replied:

No, I dont think, you should -karma when "Oh, he think yes, but I think NO, letss drop some karma", I agree with ya points.
Sry for ma bad expression

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jjawinte
jjawinte Feb 2 2010, 7:59am replied:

I agree with you on this one.

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MrTambourineMan
MrTambourineMan Jan 31 2010, 1:33pm replied:

The worst case of down voting is being (sadly) Black Mesa page, if you express any doubt in any aspect of the mod you'll get -20 karma. Not that I care but it is so immature and so hateful towards the people who think differently and even explain their opinions. I'd have to say that e.g. No L4D2 group is/was so much more mature in this regard even though there was a flame war going on there you'd rarely see neg. karma spamming of aforementioned proportions...

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INtense! Author
INtense! Jan 31 2010, 2:19pm replied:

the karma system may be crap, but it is there to allow the community to "self" moderate comments. the admins cannot look at every comment, so I cannot see a better way of doing this?

Plus it would take some seriously good programming to identify which comments are legit and good vs. which are not.

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m82sniper
m82sniper Jan 31 2010, 8:47pm replied:

What about a karma system that requires you to put a reason for the +/- karma? Or maybe 2 separate systems, one for whether or not people agree with you, and one for being a troll/productive member of Moddb (Also requires a reason.)..

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TheHappyFriar
TheHappyFriar Jan 31 2010, 10:07pm replied:

tastyspleen allows people who start threads to 100% moderate the thread themselves. They can remove any post they want. What about a system like that (I think our profile/mod comments allow that)? That would solve the "it's a lot of work for mods to handle & they can't be everywhere" & the "posting spam for ACHIEVEMENTS! :D :D :D" problems. If someone doesn't care they're being spammed it's their own fault. If they do care they'll take care of it.

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MrMattWebb
MrMattWebb Jan 31 2010, 11:48am says:

One question.

Why is the karma system still here?

I see no benefit other than first comments which dont say "First" get raised to heavenly heights, while anyone who doesnt agree or doesnt say "OMG LUV TEH MOD" gets sent to hell.

The karma system has become a joke and as such, even I refuse to take it seriously now. I usually tend to balance karma (bring down the highs, and raise the lows; making everything back to +1)

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Metalspy
Metalspy Jan 31 2010, 11:56am replied:

Yeah it the best example (I think) is the 'ability'-contest from The Rising. All the ideas of others were voted down because everyone wanted to win.

And yay for anti-spam measures! BTW, who cares about ranks/levels on forums/sites anyway.. I guess I'll never understand :P

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feillyne Staff
feillyne Jan 31 2010, 12:46pm replied:

That's what I said, ppl got voted down only b/c they don't agree. Plain ridiculous.

And AFAIK, it counts as activity points being decreased. For what? For a different opinion? -_-

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altercuca
altercuca Jan 31 2010, 12:04pm says:

Cool, i like the fact that you are keeping it clean in here. Yeah i agree with the other comments a little, IT is a little harsh as a system (you know some ppl talk a little and say stuff like :NICE everytime to keep it short) but still im glad to see you are keeping this place clean!

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Jike
Jike Jan 31 2010, 12:08pm says:

Hmm, I like this. It's also a very serious aim in keeping ModDB spam-free.

I didn't even know however, there was such thing as karma points, I just commented on stuff I liked or disliked and stated my opinion...

Keep it on, team!

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cW#Ravenblood
cW#Ravenblood Jan 31 2010, 12:23pm says:

Someone to report:
the Spamerific accounts spam everywhere with the comment "spam" etc.
also on ma mod page voted someone all comments down and Kizzys votes get down

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█Black/Brunez█
█Black/Brunez█ Jan 31 2010, 12:28pm says:

SPAM!!!I´m kidding...

Spammers need to be banned! (or kicked... if you want to give the guy another chance)

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feillyne Staff
feillyne Jan 31 2010, 12:44pm replied:

Silenced... banning is a way too heavy punishment. Bans only for posting really nasty stuff.

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Swaggletooth
Swaggletooth Jan 31 2010, 1:26pm says:

Personally I think the whole karma/points system should be removed.

If theres a stupid comment on a page, it can usually be pointed out as stupid by other members *or* the owner of a mod page can delete the comment in question.

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Maggot4ever
Maggot4ever Jan 31 2010, 8:26pm replied:

you said that because you got owned in Black Mesa images with an historical -124 karma points :D

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Swaggletooth
Swaggletooth Feb 1 2010, 5:07am replied:

I really don't care about that one instance. Incedentally thanks for following me around MODDB to spam around my comments, have fun with that!

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Maggot4ever
Maggot4ever Feb 1 2010, 3:52pm replied:

hey well played you made me look like a stalker but the truth is that im not following you and it isnt spam to say the truth. i just lol'ed when i read your comment.

And thanks for the - karma point. i see you really got the point about this whole post.

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jjawinte
jjawinte Feb 2 2010, 8:04am replied:

See....Even in this comments area of discussing the problem itself. Sad.

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RogerRamjet
RogerRamjet Jan 31 2010, 1:29pm says:

Since people get 1 karma point for each post, only spammers are interested in posting very little in substance to up their points. I believe in a zero tolerance policy for spammers, foul language, and a few others which I will not mention. A mistake is different. No one can tell me that they spammed 300 times by accident. Double hitting a post button may do it in rare cases.

Only those who want to spam themselves would complain about a ban on spammers. Just like criminals complain about the police being everywhere or cameras watching them. People who have not done anything wrong have nothing to worry about. But yes, there are those who are in power who abuse that power over those who don't, but I can't see that happening here, can you? Thanks ModDB for the crack down on real spiced ham!

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TheHappyFriar
TheHappyFriar Jan 31 2010, 10:04pm replied:

you're assuming someone knows about the karma system & isn't just expressing their system. I had no clue how it worked until ~2 months ago.

What about mods/users that spam content? Mods/users get "credit" for that & some mods will put up 30 "WIP shots of the same thing, or stuff you can't really tell what it is? Can that be reported too? (hypothetical question)

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INtense! Author
INtense! Jan 31 2010, 11:57pm replied:

Anything can be reported, so by all means do.

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Elitic
Elitic Jan 31 2010, 2:58pm says:

There should be option on mod "Enable/disable karma system on this mod page". Or other solution would be to see who karmed up and who karmed down. Otherwise karma system should be removed.

(Most of my comments and other people comments who say something like "good mod" got down karmed by some idiot on my mod page.)

We, developers don't have time to play karma wars or etc., so better do something.

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violetblood
violetblood Jan 31 2010, 3:20pm says:

there are a lot of communist spammers!

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thatmangleybloke
thatmangleybloke Jan 31 2010, 4:33pm says:

Instead of having Karma + or Karma - buttons for comments why not have 3 buttons: [Agree], [Disagree], and [Spam]?

Agree and Disagree points are shown for the individual comment to show how many people agree or disagree with the opinion but do not effect user karma. Spam is used to bury the comment if it's useless, abusive or immature and users who repeatedly have their comments buried as spam get flagged up.

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qpac
qpac Jan 31 2010, 4:45pm replied:

Quite interesting idea. I think it should be given a chance.

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DemonProwler
DemonProwler Jan 31 2010, 6:51pm replied:

I could see this system working, it sounds quite good!

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Tokoya
Tokoya Jan 31 2010, 6:59pm replied:

I think that is a great idea as well. On the flipside, anyone who consistently issues excessive amount of "Spam" karma should also be flagged because they are probably abusing the system.

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Swaggletooth
Swaggletooth Feb 1 2010, 5:13am replied:

Yeah you would undoubtedly get abusers of the "spam" button.

It would be better for people just to report repeat offenders of spamming to an admin.

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m82sniper
m82sniper Jan 31 2010, 8:49pm replied:

Ah crap, I didn't see this here, my last comment is pretty much what you just said... I definitely think that would work better than what we have now.

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Thanoshld Online
Thanoshld Jan 31 2010, 9:18pm replied:

That's indeed a good idea thatmangleybloke.Also next to the 'Agree' and 'Disagree' options there could be a number inticating how many have agreed and how many have disagreed.Not like YouTube's system where when 3 agree and 4 disagree the comment shows -1.It should just show a red dot or something if there are more who disagree with it and a green one if there are more who agree.

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DuckSauce
DuckSauce Feb 1 2010, 11:19am replied:

Great idea!
I think I saw this somewhere else as well, would work great, doesn't sound hard to implement, but I don't know how the ModDB site is build up, so I could be wrong.

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ShyGuy204
ShyGuy204 Jan 31 2010, 5:17pm says:

Good to hear something's being done about this.

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chaosmaster4
chaosmaster4 Jan 31 2010, 6:39pm says:

Finaly, the Counter Spam force! good to hear that those spammers are getting what they deserve!

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Armageddon104
Armageddon104 Jan 31 2010, 8:18pm says:

Try Gamerman12 as a karma troll.

I'm so glad you guys are doing this!

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Maggot4ever
Maggot4ever Jan 31 2010, 8:28pm replied:

You MUST be kidding dude.

Like Intense said before, saying NICE or AWSOME in every picture is considered Spam so.. you better stop posting that kind of comments.

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m82sniper
m82sniper Jan 31 2010, 8:42pm replied:

Yeah, I agree. You post a lot of one word comments on pretty much every single thing on Moddb it seems, try and post more thoughtful comments and stop trying to just increase your activity level...

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Diekill42
Diekill42 Jan 31 2010, 8:55pm says:

yea i think thats better that you stop the spammers it was realy anoying

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CSargeP
CSargeP Jan 31 2010, 9:25pm says:

What about spam content? There is some dweeb posting a bunch of pictures of his ms paint zombie creature in the L4D profile.

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m82sniper
m82sniper Jan 31 2010, 9:44pm replied:

I'm pretty sure that counts too, but the community can also report media, there's an exclamation mark that you can press at the top left of the image just for that..

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CSargeP
CSargeP Feb 1 2010, 3:16pm replied:

I didn't want to report it because I wasn't sure it was breaking a rule. It was just annoying.

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