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A devblog for L.U.R.K.'s future release build. Talking about various community complaints and disputed topics, and things to look forward to in the new build.

Posted by holdenmcclure on Mar 24th, 2011

It's been nearly half a year since L.U.R.K. 1.1 was released, and since then we've had a lot of time to absorb feedback and responses from the community. Of course given that we're not a single entity or a hivemind it can be difficult to weave through the varying responses and perspectives of the community. It's a subject of compromises and design choices that can prove difficult when throwing so many different individuals into the mixture, but there are varying topics that can be viewed as popular opinion or consensus when considering the views of the community, and the major bars inhibiting enjoyment and accessibility to a wider range of players.


Aesthetic  Design

Looking at one aspect would be the bloom/HDR in the original L.U.R.K. 1.1 release. The original intention of this was to give some more dynamics to the lighting, and to make it more realistic and appealing to observe the contrast between a fully clear afternoon and a dim sunset. The basic premise behind bloom or any rewording for the term is to reflect the way the eye perceives light and how the eye adjusts to perceive different degrees of sunlight.

When the eye is subject to less total light saturation, it compensates or adjusts and subsequently intakes more light, which can give bright lights a degree of intensity when viewed in otherwise dark places. This can obscure or bleed light and give the 'bloom' effect that people associate with the effect people see emulated in games. However in the middle of a the day, the eyes have typically adjusted to a higher saturation of light, and that bloom effect is only perceived typically when viewing a very bright white surface or staring directly into the sun (please take my word on this rather then trying yourself).

One of the problems we had with our bloom was an unfortunate issue with odd cutoff in the skybox. For some reason we've yet to understand there was an inexplicable clear layer of lines extruding from the skybox and being that we were only using an existing rendering function to create this bloom effect, we didn't know how to get rid of it. This was an unfortunate issue and we overlooked it in favor of the overall effect being deemed more valuable in our eyes, this was probably a product of wanting to overlook it from the amount of effort we delved into it.

Another issue with bloom was one that wasn't being particularly fair to us, being public perception and stigma surrounding bloom in general. It's not an unknown fact that bloom can be overused or used improperly in many modern games. It's become somewhat of a buzzword to insult a game for the very fact that it has bloom and many view it negative to have it at all no matter how it's shown. Arguably there were times when we had used it in excess, the only time I can think of is during the morning phase before the afternoon. Otherwise personally I was very satisfied with the effect.

However this just wasn't the understanding we could communicate to players. There were many fair and understandable points brought up by naysayers. Whether or not bloom is the product of realism or proper emulation of the way the eye perceives light, it's not always correct to support realism or at least not a global consensus that realism is the proper way to approach any aspect of the game. Shadow of Chernobyl, intentionally or not had very sterile, bleak looking environments that are often convoluted with detail whether it be realistic or not. Many people prefer this aspect of Shadow of Chernobyl, and hold it for artistic value that Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat didn't capture when enhancing realism in it's X-Ray engine iterations.

Looking back at comments across the board regarding the bloom function, exploring options for different lighting and rendering, and considering the problems with the previous build, we decided we could meet at a point without compromise, and change the way the lighting looked without the bloom function present. This can be found in screenshots added in the previous most recent news article, or more that I'll try to add more frequently onto ModDB.

Making compromises regarding realism to appeal to artistic direction is something that we wholeheartedly endorse. Creating any fictional setting is a compromise on realism, and realism isn't a be all end all design philosophy in a game that emphasizes immersion. L.U.R.K. aims to improve the aspects of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. that it does well or aims to do well, in a way that's more ambitious and more of a leap that may polarize those who adhere strictly to source material. While it's an overhaul mod in the sense that it changes many aspects of the game that doesn't make it feel like a patch, it isn't an overhaul in the sense that you're suddenly playing Duke Nukem when you throw L.U.R.K. in your S.T.A.L.K.E.R. directory. There are compromises that are made when fulfilling an ultimately subjective perspective of what S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s core elements and setting would best be emphasized by, but those changes give it personality and options in a way that other mods don't, without burning too many bridges.

When you look at most screenshots of L.U.R.K., the distinctions are obvious both technically and artistically, and given it's fairly large departure from the source material, it can be easy to point fingers in and claim foul when you notice the much higher level of color saturation and light contrast, and lively vegetation. If you believe that it strays from the original art direction then you'd be 100% correct.

The vanilla (unmodified) artistic direction of S.T.A.L.K.E.R is easily described as bleak, sterile, and decayed. As an artistic direction there's nothing necessarily wrong with taking that perspective on the environment, and it certainly supports the oppressive atmosphere of the game. However I feel that a different take on the idea is important to give the most powerful effect.

Realism is on obvious influence on the art direction of L.U.R.K., and while I did emphasize that it's not a defining aspect of design, when on the subject of immersion it's something that should be supported if it doesn't compromise other important aspects of the game. When looking at L.U.R.K. in The Cordon for example, you'll notice much longer draw distance, less grainy mipmaps, less barren bushy grass, more color saturation and lighting contrast, more frequent clear weather etc... The distinction is obvious and you can see it prefers the real over the surreal at first glance.

L.U.R.K. vs. Vanilla

However simply pulling from realism alone is a fairly boring direction to take alone, and thankfully it's a design perspective used in moderation amongst other ideas that I'll elaborate on right now. If you're familiar with GSC and the inspiration they took when designing Shadow of Chernobyl, you'll know that they used such source material as a famous Russian novel 'Roadside Picnic' when designing the game. Suffices to say it's obvious that S.T.A.L.K.E.R. drifts in many directions unique to itself, but I felt like some aspects of the game would be best pulled back into direction of the source material, 'Roadside Picnic'. Roadside Picnic speaks of dramatic sunsets and apparent nature surplus amidst The Zone left alone by modern civilization. Which is apparent in photographs of The Exclusion Zone as depicted in real life.

However it should be noted that in the book and the game, as per the sci-fi circumstances that give birth to the unique aspects of both artistic depictions, the effect of the NPP meltdown are exaggerated, giving a stronger 'post apocalyptic' vibe to the environment. Balancing these two perspectives, we decided to make the apparent effects of the NPP more exaggerated as you approach the center of the Exclusion Zone. Vegetation starts to shed the healthy greenery as depicted in the Cordon, and stronger reflects the fictional depiction of The Exclusion Zone, as depicted by the vanilla image in The Cordon. This feels like the best compromise between the two, and gives a more dramatic feeling of progression as you approach the NPP. Although the changes are subtle and not always consciously noted by players.

I elaborate on this because it's been a point of contentment when people consider L.U.R.K. vs. different options. I'll say that the direction isn't easily depicted in images and is better viewed when considering the experience as a whole, and that there's been much deliberation over the aesthetic and that it shouldn't be dismissed over minor aspects in the grand scope of the project. Those who are on familiar terms with me understand that I've had an ongoing one sided struggle towards providing the most visually compelling S.T.A.L.K.E.R. experience, but I feel as though I've been under the stigma that comes with appealing to a fanbase that fell in love with the original design, and will often feel as though changes of any sort will damage the original, and often walk towards experience that adhere more strictly to the original design. I feel as though it's important to elaborate the direction we've taken and why so that people can better appreciate the changes that we make.

I've gone to great lengths to defend the direction that we've taken in many regards, but I don't wish to defend some of the mistakes we've made under the category of aesthetics, out of simply overlooking issues or growing tired of fixing them, prior to our long period of hiatus before we came back onto the scene. One of which being grass textures. Somehow, some way, the bump map and specular map for the grass texture didn't make it's way into the release build (what a blunder), and the ground texture not covered by vegetation looked bland and vaguely carpeted. Some of the mistakes we made out of exhaustion made many lose faith in our ability to produce a polished product, and hopefully the builds we release in the future will help repair that damage for our fans, and hopefully expand our fanbase to a larger audience.


Gameplay Mechanics

Another widely contested aspect of the release build of L.U.R.K. 1.1 is the degree of recoil. The distinction is obvious when compared to vanilla or even most other modifications to the original formula, and many feel as though it's too strong. This from a realism standpoint and a design standpoint is difficult to gauge. Recoil isn't only effected by the gun itself, there's also the consideration of how the wielder compensates for the recoil. It's an extremely common design philosophy for gun balance to design recoil under the assumption that the recoil compensation is done for you, which is also the means that are taken in the original Shadow of Chernobyl, or more specifically, the 'cam_relax' variable in the weapon configurations.

This is touchy issue because 'Shadow of Chernobyl' is often regarded as a hardcore game, and whatever that word entails, when in all honestly, I find when viewing the vanilla gun mechanics, they're fairly shallow and simple. The recoil compensates for itself and is extremely low, and the bullet cone is fairly static albeit large. Ignoring player placement and cover mechanics, it's little more then point and shoot and wait for the gun to fire in the direction you want it to. The original design not only does a poor job of emphasizing realism, it doesn't give you much control over how it behaves and gives very little distinction between a good player and a bad one. When ignoring the gunplay in S.T.A.L.K.E.R., there's very little else in terms of actual challenge and interaction, which is to be expected of any shooter be it an FPSRPG in this case or any other FPS variation. Gunplay in vanilla Shadow of Chernobyl is the strongest argument for mods, and I have a hard time viewing them in any way other then poorly done.

S.T.A.L.K.E.R. brought many new concepts to the table, and created a palpable surreal interpretation a unique setting in gaming, and for that reason many were willing to overlook some of the less appreciable aspects of Shadow of Chernobyl and even the franchise as a whole. People who have been fans of S.T.A.L.K.E.R. since 2005 or for a long time at the very least have a strong association with the aspects of Shadow of Chernobyl be it good or bad. This makes it difficult for me as a designer to make choices, because when you changes things for an audience which is inherently S.T.A.L.K.E.R. fans, given the prerequisite of owning the original game, it's very difficult to change things about the game without burning the bridges that the original fans are walking on. So instead of looking at a change and instantly perceiving it as wrong, I ask you to analyze the aspects of L.U.R.K. with a more open mind before coming to any drastic conclusions.

This is what I ask when looking at weapon design in L.U.R.K.. This is something that I'll have difficulty having an open mind discussing, as I simply view the standard gun mechanics as poor at best. In light of complaints regarding the weapon recoil being too strong, we've toned down the base recoil, and subsequently changed some weapons and how they interact with each other. One of the main ones being the effectiveness of the SKS being an easily obtainable higher caliber rifle, and the overall effectiveness of the pump action shotguns.

Overall the design philosophy when we built the L.U.R.K. weapons recognizes that recoil instead of large base bullet cones retains the difficulty of firearm combat while giving a more broad skill threshold, and giving the user more opportunity to distinguish themselves as effective gunslingers. This should make gunplay more intense and engaging while also making it more realistic, which certainly doesn't hurt.

Panzerdraco's Addendum: I'm actually at fault for the problem of recoil - the severity of it is actually a bug I overlooked before release. Will be fixed in the new patch and will be far less silly.
Also get on Steam more, Holden.


Artifacts

This has always been a touchy subject and a strong point of contention when regarding it's implementation in L.U.R.K.. Artifacts in the S.T.A.L.K.E.R. franchise and most likely every modification has featured combat attributes associated with them. It is without a doubt that removing these combat attributes is a very stark change to the original formula, and many found it not only wrong but offensive to remove these attribute from artifacts.

The decision we made to remove artifact attributes has probably caught us more flack then any other decision we've made with L.U.R.K.. I however strongly dispute the standard implementation of artifacts and will continue to abstain from reintroducing them via the standard way.

When I work on L.U.R.K., the core concepts that I consider whenever I do anything to change or add any aspect to the game is balance, depth, and immersion. Each play a role in supporting each other and frequently require compromise in order to achieve the best result. When I looked at Artifacts, I simply could not justify Artifact attributes even when looking at any one of those three concepts alone. When I consider balance, it only serves to hurt the way certain gameplay mechanics interact with each other. For example, the fireball artifact decreases the rate in which you intake radiation. When you stack them, it makes you virtually impervious to radiation and thus eliminates it as a gameplay mechanic. Likewise for 'moonlight' making stamina a near nonexistent consideration. It didn't add more depth or increase gameplay mechanics, it compromised them, and for what?

Looking at it from an immersion standpoint, you think, well attaching these artifacts gives me arbitrary combat benefits that don't really have any rhyme or reason to their supposed scientific properties, and are simply something that you are forced to overlook when observed with any level of scrutiny regarding realism or plausibility even. It sacrifices depth, balance, and immersion and to this day I've yet to understand how it would benefits the game as a whole or subsequently it's vision, especially when you consider that the entire reason S.T.A.L.K.E.R.'s roam The Zone is to collect them and sell them for profit, but I digress.

Am I satisfied with the way they're implemented in vanilla S.T.A.L.K.E.R.? No, although that's not to say that I'm satisfied with the way they are in L.U.R.K. either. There are still sloppy issues from vanilla remaining in L.U.R.K.. They're scattered everywhere in plain site making the task of locating them seem fairly trivial, like they're almost insulting you as a user to make artifact hunting seem like a challenge. They don't reflect the improvements that Clear Sky and Call of Pripyat made to artifact hunting, by creating anomaly fields respective to the type of artifact they surround, and give it an interesting design and appealing challenge to obtain them with artifact detectors.

Sure I'd like to have a system like that in L.U.R.K., or Shadow of Chernobyl for that matter, but implementing a system like that is a challenge worthy of it's own and will probably only come into fruition much later if ever. I plan to improve the system with artifacts but I'm not going backward. We've decided for the time being to make them more valuable, but to increase their weight so as to not turn the Economy into a joke the way some perceive it in our current build.


There are many more subjects, changes, and things I could talk about but I've already gone on for quite some time. I'm running out of energy and you're probably running low on patience if you haven't stopped reading already. I'll summarize some of the changes we've made by concisely stating we've modified the HUD to no longer feature the blood on screen effect, and restored the more standard bar indicators to the HUD, we've changed the NPC characteristics to have less bugs with low light detection and long distance detection etc.. All in all it's a product of labor over personal and community concerns and I think you'll be pleased with the result.

I leave the comments with suggestions for what we could further elaborate on, what kind of things you'd like to see and what we can do to improve what you remember from the previous build, and as always be specific and I'll be more inclined to respond. Thank you for your time. 

-Holden, L.U.R.K. Project Lead

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Bolognius_Maximus
Bolognius_Maximus Mar 24 2011, 7:44am says:

Sounds pretty good to me. I enjoyed the bloom feature also, I think it adds more to a game if used correctly. That's all I have to say about that for now though.
Good luck!

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Beac
Beac Mar 24 2011, 7:46am says:

A good read mate - you really have an articulate tongue and the way you write definitely lends itself to your points.
I'm looking forward to future L.U.R.K. builds, and am very happy to see it's back in development!

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lowenz
lowenz Mar 24 2011, 7:49am says:

You really like writing, Holden! :D

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holdenmcclure
holdenmcclure Mar 24 2011, 7:57am says:

JESUS CHRIST HOLDEN DO YOU EXPECT ME TO READ ALL THIS GODDAMN

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Thesoldierintheswamp
Thesoldierintheswamp Mar 24 2011, 12:59pm replied:

arent you the one that posted it????

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 24 2011, 1:28pm replied:

tl;dr

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Lizzinator
Lizzinator Mar 24 2011, 8:03am says:

Concerning your thoughts on mechanical effects of Artifacts, how do you feel about their effects in Clear Sky/Call of Pripyat?

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Fwiffo
Fwiffo Mar 24 2011, 5:22pm replied:

Well they're tougher to get in the later games which balances them out a little. Plus their effects are reduced a lot as well. Artifacts aren't the game changers in the later games that they are in SoC.

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Lizzinator
Lizzinator Mar 24 2011, 10:10pm replied:

But with reduced stats are they still relevant and thus worth keeping in the game?

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JoonatanO
JoonatanO Mar 24 2011, 9:48am says:

Great post, you read my mind in terms of things I would have changed. I'm really glad you wrote that bit about bloom and how it works, now I can actually appreciate it.

Thanks for removing the jelly effect when shot :P

As for the UI, the main menu music doesn't seem to fit in my opinion, but I really liked the loading screen in the "L.U.R.K. Update #2" video (0:34)

Any chance you can animate the cursor? So that the radiation sign rotates as in vanilla?

And could you consider making rainy weather a bit darker? Some of the screenshots of a rainy day in LURK look much too bright, it should be darker in my opinion.

Could you give us an ETA on L.U.R.K. 1.2 (or are you gonna call it 2.0 :P)? Couple weeks? A month?

Oh, and this comes from yours truly (/v/), can you change the death message to "Such is life in the Zone"?

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holdenmcclure
holdenmcclure Mar 24 2011, 5:48pm replied:

I don't have an ETA but thanks for the suggestions.

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N3uR0m4nT3
N3uR0m4nT3 Mar 24 2011, 10:11am says:

Shows that behind such an outstanding mod project there's some serious thought. I agree with nearly every point you make. While 1.1 had problems, you were going in the right direction. A possible "fix" for artifacts would be toning down their attributes, so that they don't actually destroy mechanics as you mentioned? After all, being able to use an artifact as in vanilla only adds to the enjoyment of finding one. Best of luck for your work, you guys are great.

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JohnnyTheWolf
JohnnyTheWolf Mar 24 2011, 10:56am says:

Holden, I'm a big fan of your take on the artifacts.

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xKoweKx
xKoweKx Mar 24 2011, 12:21pm buried:

(buried)

Devblog in two sentences: "I do nothing except new animation of weapons, but it doesn't matter. My mod is the best (it doesn't matter that is very boring too) and I'm also proud of myself."

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JoonatanO
JoonatanO Mar 24 2011, 12:47pm replied:

You didn't read the devblog, did you?

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 24 2011, 1:31pm replied:

cool story bro

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.Clash
.Clash Mar 25 2011, 1:23am replied:

*Claps*

Behold! xKoweKx, the legendary LURK troll!

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 24 2011, 1:38pm says:

So no more minimalistic HUD, kind of liked that.
Any possibility for an option to turn HUD on or off?
I also liked the artefacts, but I didn't care that they were missing in LURK. I always liked the mods which made the effects of artefacts negligible, but I guess this doesn't suit the LURK design philosophy?

Anyway interesting article and glad to see LURK is back on track and thanks to everyone for actually making this mod, had me a lot of fun with it.

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holdenmcclure
holdenmcclure Mar 24 2011, 5:55pm replied:

There'll be option packs.

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 25 2011, 11:43am replied:

Nice, thanks for the reply

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Fwiffo
Fwiffo Mar 24 2011, 5:20pm says:

Aww. I really liked the HUD in 1.1. It was really immersive to have nothing on screen all the time. Good work sticking to your guns on the artifacts at least, don't let the powergaming ***** ruin everything you want to do with the game.

If it's possible to have a HUD-less version in the optionals folder I'd be really happy.

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SPTX
SPTX Mar 24 2011, 5:42pm says:

You don't talk about blowouts and upgrades. I have a hard time to believe that you are back on the mod, but not to improve it on its criticism at all.

Also, I want a no HUD version too.

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holdenmcclure
holdenmcclure Mar 24 2011, 5:48pm replied:

I don't want random blowouts, I don't want upgrades, end of story. Some criticisms I can agree with, others I cannot. I've talked about this issue before.

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Le_Smee
Le_Smee Mar 26 2011, 3:32pm replied:

that right there is some seriously good communication skills, also i want a million pounds and a monkey butler......NOW!!!!

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 28 2011, 11:46am replied:

Gief monkey butler

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Sclera
Sclera Mar 24 2011, 9:02pm says:

I agree completely about artifacts.

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JohnYukon
JohnYukon Mar 25 2011, 12:18am says:

I don't mind bloom in video games, however I don't like the way it's done in Stalker. It's just terrible, the texture quality takes a hit because of how poor it looks. The tonemap on the other hand is handled by the game rather well and I find that with the right tweaks, it can really enhance the scene. As it currently stands I have the bloom threshold set higher and the tonemapping set to a very high adaptation, to me it seems more of what LURK needed.

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.Clash
.Clash Mar 25 2011, 1:10am says:

"...it isn't an overhaul in the sense that you're suddenly playing Duke Nukem when you throw L.U.R.K. in your S.T.A.L.K.E.R. directory."

Hold on-

DROP LURK. DO THIS.

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Rahu_X
Rahu_X Mar 25 2011, 3:30am says:

Take my word as well as Holden's on blowouts. They're more trouble than they're worth to implement in SoC. Sure, they're in some overhauls like the fabled AMK, but their implementation is quite subpar, amounting to some areas not even having any form of shelter, and others having so little which usually amounts in NPCs constantly huddling in cover and fighting each other. This includes the chance of some important quest giving NPCs being caught in the crossfire, which could potentially leave some parts of the game unplayable when they pass away. And it's almost impossible to create some legitimate shelter points on the areas that lack them, because those areas mostly contain wide open landscapes and very very small concealed areas. I tried my best to make some more areas, but the radius either ended up being too big which caused NPCs to hide outside of the area in question and be saved (immersion killer), or it was too small and amounted to you having to stand in an EXACT coordinate on the map in order to be safe.

As for upgrades, I don't care much for them in SoC, because they're really not needed. It would only help to unbalance the game more.

The only decision I really don't agree with is artifacts, but not for the usual reasons. I actually agree that artifacts should act as more of a commodity than a bonus, but I'll really miss the choice you had to make when it did give you a bonus. Such as "Would I rather sell this and get 10,000RU to spend on some food and a new gun plus some ammo, or would I rather have more protection/ehancement against/with factor x?"

Which reminds me. Any word on whether or not hunger will be in the next build? I know your reasonings behind as to why it wasn't in 1.1, but it's one game feature that I really missed. It's fine if you still don't want to include it.

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Le_Smee
Le_Smee Mar 25 2011, 8:50am says:

I think everything you said was great, i'm just wondering if you can make the artifacts lower in number or more hidden, you mentioned it, but i didn't pick up if you were doing it, it's a great idea, i enjoyed the artifact bonuses, but i think this way is better, and closer to the book( i know this game is hardly that relative to the book, but practically having super powers did mess things up a bit).

I was wondering about the bloom, i liked the bloom, but(forgive me if it's all interlinked and and i'm talking nonsense, i don't know how these things work) one thing i noticed was when i had all the lighting effects on, it looked great, but i found that when i turned them off, i could see alot more detail, and found it hard to pick between them, e.g when i'm looking at a thick growth of foliage, the shadows would be almost pitch black, and shadows of other things aswell, i turned the lighting down, and all the textures and detail was suddenly clear as day, so i was wondering if this was something exclusive to my pc, or something you'd address, or something you are fine about.

Forgive me if i'm inadvertently asking for something that would take months to do, there for making it pointless asking, but one things i thought would improve stalker to no end, was having mazes of anomalies to track and find your way through to get to an artifact, like in the book, is there any chance of additions in that area, or am i being silly in my lack of understanding?

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dave_5430
dave_5430 Mar 25 2011, 12:07pm says:

First off, I'd like to congratulate you that you can actually type proper words! Good Job (you prick)!

Secondly, have you ever, like, gone out, seen the world, sneaked into spaces you shouldn't have, ever been in Chernobyl and touched the ground, taken a piece of rock and stared at it?

Thirdly, have you -ever-, and I mean, EVER, EVER FIRED A GUN, IN YOUR LIFE, AT ALL?!

Just three things you might wanna rethink before you continue on your project, I thank you for your hard work and dedication.

P.s.
Fix the AI's accuracy already, alright?

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Panzerdraco
Panzerdraco Apr 5 2011, 5:14am replied:

Have you? :>

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JoonatanO
JoonatanO Mar 25 2011, 1:44pm says:

I know a lot of mods remove this... But will there be excessive repetition of "Get out of here, Stalker" when entering the Bar?

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Freakydemon
Freakydemon Mar 25 2011, 5:21pm replied:

They have written a special algorithm to increase his annoyingness exponentially compared to your progress in the game and the moral choices you make.

Nah, it's still in the mod, like it should be.

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Rahu_X
Rahu_X Mar 28 2011, 4:50pm replied:

Agreed. S.T.A.L.K.E.R. wouldn't be S.T.A.L.K.E.R. without him and every other repetitive person in the Bar.

"How did I manage that???"

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RobertFC
RobertFC Apr 13 2014, 12:17pm replied:

"Don't just stand there, I said come in!"

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RobertSteele
RobertSteele Mar 31 2011, 4:15pm says:

One more problem, which also makes the economy a joke, is suits. If you find a suit, and can manage to lug it back to someone who can pay you for it, you can get ridiculous amounts of cash. Also, somewhat breaking it, if you sell your jacket, since Wolf gives you a merc suit, you have the funds necessary to buy all, or at least most, of the bandages and medkits Sidorovich sells, making your first clash with human enemies trivial. In a different direction, if you dropped the jacket, and sold the merc suit (Assuming you're bad enough of an *** to take on camps full of enemies, fields full of anomalies, packs of wild dogs, and suck it up when hit with gunfire, wearing nothing but a winter coat.), you could equip the leather jacket, and have enough money to buy yourself an automatic weapon, and a new pistol that doesn't suck, like the Russian Colt (AKA what I call the TT-33).

Also, if you're awesome enough (Like me, for example.), you can assault the military base not too far from the rookie camp, kill everyone, and run off with all of their stuff. This bags you an assault rifle of your choice (I usually take an AK-47, or AKM), complete with more ammo than one man could reasonable carry, and you can sell everything else for nearly as much as the other merc suit you can get from the rookie camp. This will also bag you one hell of a lot of supplies. And, if you're lucky enough to find out about the Captain's stash, you get yourself a bunch of military-grade medkits, and a the Warshaw Pact version of an Auto-Colt (AKA the OTs-33).

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RobertSteele
RobertSteele Mar 31 2011, 4:38pm replied:

Speaking of Colts, there is/was a mesh error on the silencer for the actual Colt.

And, assuming it isn't already in the game, I would like to see an Auto Colt .45. Not that hard to make, since you're *cough* professionals. All you have to do is take a normal Colt .45, put a fire selector on it, and extend the magazine.

I request magnum revolvers. Again. Feels appropriate, since you guys are working on a new version, and all. Plus you could have a very VERY lore-friendly revolver in the .357 magnum section to begin with: Rexy. AKA the MP-412 R.E.X. It's Russian-made, and since we're in Ukraine, it should be showing up there by the dozens. Through gun runners, of course. But also bandits and rookies bringing their own.

One very big necessary thing, is fixing the aspect ratio. Not everyone has, wants, or needs widescreen monitors, bro. I'm one, two, and three.

And one thing I never understood...The OTs-33 has a full-auto mode, but the Glock just has the game-staple, lame, cop out tri-round burst mode. Yes, you can fire it as fast as you can click, essentially making it fully automatic, but that still takes away from the realism.
And the plausibility.
And the fun.

Wait, S.T.A.L.K.E.R. takes place in Ukraine, right?
Just wanted to make sure I'm not crazy...

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Panzerdraco
Panzerdraco Apr 5 2011, 5:17am replied:

The MP-412 was only a prototype. It has never been produced in any significant quantity. I doubt more than ten actually exist.

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VicRattlehead
VicRattlehead Apr 1 2011, 5:13am says:

Making the artifacts more valuable will mean jackshit for the player if he has no need to rely on spending money and buying consumables/equipment. Even if he does, he can still get by with the money made from selling just looted weapons so you need the economy to be more extreme.

-Make ammo and consumables much rarer/fewer in looting fallen stalkers and in stashes. Also, make them much more expensive.

-Make unique weapons/armor found in the Zone have low condition, forcing the player to spend money and have them repaired in order to make practical use of them.

-Make repairing items cost more money.

-Reduce the amount of money gained from quest rewards.

Also, increasing the weight of artifacts is just... stupid. What's to stop a player from running back and forth to eventually pick them all up? Just make them spawn in fewer quantities and in longer intervals, other mods have done this before, you don't need CS/CoP's artifact hunting system to make this work.

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JoonatanO
JoonatanO May 14 2011, 6:46am says:

There hasn't been that much activity here... You guys are still working on the mod, right? Maybe release some WIP screens every now and then?

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YourAmishDaddy
YourAmishDaddy May 24 2011, 3:33pm says:

I concur about the bloom thing. A little turning down during the day, because there's times during the day that can make it impossible to set up long shots with iron sights.

I'm also a bit let down on the over-all weapon selection. No shotgun pistols, even though they give you one at the start, still a primary. Lack of Sub-guns, no big bore guns, and no civil-sale weapons, such as the CZ-550, SV98, and other military classics such as the AEK971, PP2000, TOZ-194, SR-3, and you know the black market would get ahold of some Chinese weapons, QBU88, QBZ95, and others. Variety is the spice of life.

An don't listen to these nuts who say "HUUUR U NAWT SHUUT GUN" And that one pinhead who asks if you've ever been to Pripyat. He hasn't, and we can guarantee it. Only Ukrainian scientists and photographers have been allowed in, and he ain't one.

Your ballistics are close enough, speeds on some cartridges are off, but eh, not bad.

Keep it up man!

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Lacedaemonius
Lacedaemonius Jun 14 2011, 3:27pm says:

Graphics is mostly a matter of personal preference, but I am completely against LURK's bloom for an entirely different reason, that it was actually too DARK. It seems that in all the rush to get the bloom effect up and working properly with HDR that the LURK team completely ignored those without a $3,000 Alienware PC. Playing with static lighting on I was forced to double my monitor's brightness and contrast to be able to make out any semblance of what's in front of me. Please, please do something about this.

As for weaponry, I completely agree with all of Holden's statements. GSC shot themselves in the foot with their weapons (some pun possibly intended) and then tried to heal the wound by amputating the entire limb. In addition to your aforementioned problems, the weapons were even more of a joke aesthetically. The models were ugly, horribly animated, and poorly designed. In a real close quarters engagement if my mag runs dry switching to my handgun is a quicker and possibly safer alternative to taking the time required to reload. In vanilla I just need to mag out, mag in, and quickly pull the charger. Total time? Just under 2 seconds. Don't forget that this time is static whether I'm comfortable situated behind a tree or sprinting towards a bandit hideout. Not to mention the actual model textures in vanilla were just flat out horrible. Synthetic furniture on the AKs? Really?

I personally agree with you entirely on artifacts and hope that you keep them individually the way they are, (but as you said much harder to find). to be continued.

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Lacedaemonius
Lacedaemonius Jun 14 2011, 3:30pm says:

You said you were reintroducing some HUD elements for the sake of convenience, but if I may make a request I ask to keep the HUD as sparse as possible but rather add functions to supplant many of those elements. Especially the amount of ammo in the currently used mag. One of the things I hated most about LURK was how there was no way of knowing whether I had 2 or 20 rounds left in my mag and simply had to reload to be sure. Reintroducing an ammo counter just screams copout to me and imho goes against what makes LURK well, LURK. Rather why not add a bind to quickly check roughly how many rounds are left in the mag, such as the devs are doing in the Source mod No More Room in Hell.

Just my $0.02. Oh, and please a little more variety with weapons. I'm still surprised that there isn't a Saiga anywhere to be found in LURK (ntm many of the other firearms available for civilian sale or on the black market.)

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