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Jude, Verse 7.
Leviticus 20:13
Those are just two of the verses in the King James Bible that plainly show that God is not for even "committed" same-se.-x realationships.
Leviticus 18:22, also covers this.
"You shall not lie with a male as with a woman; it is an abomination."
As Christians were taught to love the sinner but hate the sin. What I can't stand, is to see Christians who come around claiming things such as "homosexuality" are embraced by or even accepted by God when they clearly are not.
Liberal used to be a good word, when it was used for people fighting for things such as rights for those of different color and ethnicity. Now it's become a word defining those who are for legalized degeneracy.
What I really can't stand to see or hear about are Christians who are gay. First, the Bible is LOADED with verses warning us about homosexuality. Second, look at Sodom. Can you think of any other city that God destroyed for one particular sin, just to get rid of that sin?
I wouldn't say they weren't Christians, just not necessarily Christians in line with God, or, not to be downright insulting, very good Christians at least in that regard.
The definition of Liberal my school text gave me in my Civics course said it had to do with being for the will of the people and all. Unfortunately, even if that definition is still true, people can be stupid.
Society is just going down the toilet faster every day. It's honestly sickening.
Liberal is now basically associated with the Leftist.
The thing about Sodom and Gommorrah, wasn't just that all kinds of perversion was legal and promoted, but it was that it was destined to spread like a cancer throughout the region. Unless, the source of the cancer was surgically removed. It was, however the hearts of men still need mending.
Sadly, all of us Christians have our own flaws, but that's no reason to excuse our behavior when we act out of line. Nor is it reason to abandon one another. When one of us has a issue, were to pray for that brother/sister and if we can, find a way to lead them back down the right path.
This is another reason people need God, because without Him were bound to make some very stupid choices. The more secular the world becomes, the more idiotic it's choices become. Without God humanity is doomed to a society of DERP.
True.
Sorry, but nope. Other than the occasional verse (which are all still rather ambiguous considering the context and translation, I'll go into that more should you request it), the Bible is surprisingly quiet on the issue of homosexuality. In fact, you'll find more in the Bible on the dangers of obesity than on homosexuality.
Secondly, let's consider the situation in which these regulations were followed. In the culture of the day, homosexual intercourse was very rarely a matter of consent, unlike nowadays where members of the LGBT community are more or less free of stigma (in most places). In ancient times, homosexuality was considered an act of domination by the initiator, and it was common for invaders to rape their captors regardless of gender.
The humiliating cultural stigma (this was not unique to Israel at all) combined with the potential health hazards that it presented at the time was enough for most to assume that homosexuality was always an act of humiliation. The idea of genuine romantic love between members of the same gender was considered an extraordinary unusual situation, and most probably would have been unaware of the prospect's existence. Essentially, the Torah could not rule against what was unknown to it. Reclaimingjudaism.org
Thirdly, you must consider that the ancient Hebrew and Aramaic word for "eunuch" was also used to refer to men who's sexual interests were oriented towards men rather than women; in other words, homosexual men. Yet Jesus takes a very tolerant stance regarding their sexuality, going so far as to say that they should be allowed rights to marriage. Well.com
I have the feeling I'm going to get a lot of flak for this, but I honestly don't give a damn. Josh and Matt, you know how much I dislike starting big group quarrels, but when it comes to matters of conscience, I cannot and most certainly will not be silent.
And I won't stand silent when you've made a terrible error regarding the Word of God. No where in the Bible does it say God tolerates this behavior, nor does he tolerate debauchery and perversion. For now we love the sinner but hate the sin, but you and I both know, when Christ returns, the nations of the world will be under new management. People will have to follow the laws of God, in order for their to be a truly safe and secure society.
Bible clearly calls homosexuality an abomination. There's a reason at the end of the Book, it says whoever tries to change it should be cursed. God meant what was said in there. You can't just pick and choose what you like and don't like.
God designed marriage to be between a man and a woman, that's the way things were meant, can't have kids any other way. And both men and women compliment each other fine when together and in love. The man is the will, the woman is the grace. Both a man and a woman have their roles that they are most proficient in. And together they are a real team.
Eunuch: a man who has been castrated, especially (in the past) one employed to guard the women's living areas at an oriental court. (Kinda like those who would have worked in Esther's Palace in the Bible no?). Eunuch meant that at the time.
Head to this link to clarify "Eunuch" in the Bible.
Gotquestions.org
"Some gay groups argue that Jesus was referring to homosexuals when He mentioned eunuchs who were “born that way.” However, the Bible never uses the words homosexual and eunuch interchangeably. Furthermore, eunuchs are never referred to in Scripture as being in sin, while homosexuality is universally condemned in both the Old and New Testaments."
I'm sorry sir, but your argument is completely wrong. I don't hate you, and I certainly don't wish ill-will upon you, and I will pray for you. But you need to understand the severity of what it is you just said, as well as it's implications. God is not for homosexuality, and the moment you start dragging all of us down that road, is when you open the door to compromising with things well beyond warped.
And the point of marriage is merely to reproduce? And what about barren women then, were they also an abomination? Biblical writers don't seem to think so. I dare you to find any passage that explicitly says other forms of marriage are prohibited. I'm not talking about domination, I'm not talking about the pedophile slave trade (what Paul is referring to if you notice the cultural references), I'm not talking about domination, I'm talking about real, selfless, romantic love between two people who happen to be of the same gender. I don't believe God has ever disagreed with that, and I don't believe he ever will.
My point precisely. It's so easy when reading our modern English translated Bibles, free of all cultural references and tense, to see the Bible as a flat line, a book of regulations. I don't read it that way. To me, the Bible is a book with a trajectory, it's a story about people's attempts to understand God, and ultimately leading up to Jesus Christ, and now it's continuing with us.
As for your link, one anonymous web writer's blanket statement is not enough to shake my ground. Where is the author's proof that the Bible never uses the two words interchangeably? I'd guess he/she would be hard-pressed to find any. The interchangeable usage of this word occurs in all sorts of languages, from ancient Greek to Hebrew, to Aramaic, to Hindi, to literary Chinese.
Lastly, as I said before, in nearly all of the Biblical passages the "dangers of homosexuality". it is referring to cases of non-consensual cases of male-on-male domination, such as what happened in Sodom. In the new Testament for example, many of the passages referencing homosexuality are in the same areas telling people to treat their slaves kindly, as male slaves during the era were frequently bought and sold for sexual uses.
If you don't believe me, I honestly can't blame you. I used to have the exact same mindset as you, perhaps even more extreme. But then, one day, I started reading my Bible differently when I realized that my parents and teachers did not actually live during that era, and thus were not representative of what actually happened. If you read the Bible through the lens of the cultural perspective of the time it was in written in, you'll end up with a very surprising book.
Considering that one random user online will most likely be enough to modify your viewpoint, I suggest we "agree to disagree". Should you choose to extend the debate, I won't participate, as I've already said everything I wanted to say. Regardless, I wish you best.
A man and a woman are made for each other. Doesn't always mean they have to have kids. Your misinterpreting and putting words in my mouth I never said.
You know, there's a reason we have superiors and elders to obey.
If you believe they are wrong, and choose to interpret the Bible differently, than that is your issue to contend with. Ive run across too many of your types who think they are some kind of enlightened ones when they are nothing but impressionable youth. Ive seen God use people for his work who are far older than you and even with (by your standards) far less intelligence. That have brought thousands, even millions to God. Perhaps there's a reason God uses people who are so "dogmatic", could it be because they don't compromise the doctrine? They stick to the Truth no matter what?
In God's eyes were all children, why? Because we are foolish, young, and brash. We do not know best, the Word of God however does. And our elders, who may I add God uses quite much for his purposes, have more experience and knowledge of the Word of God.
Homosexuality is a sin, an abomination, and a act of direct defiance against God's natural order of things. There are no scriptures in support of Homosexuality, but there are plenty condemning.
If you wish to consider yourself in league with the dogs, than so be it. But do not be surprised when the King of Kings and Lord of Lords Himself reveals His position to be against it. I have little doubt the Lord will deal with you about this, He always does, as he did me. I was corrected, and accepted it, than embraced it. Someday, you will as well. Providing your sins don't catch up with you.
I will pray for you. I just hope you don't go around teaching those lies to other Christians and unbelievers alike leading them into a false sense of security about their sin. If you do, than their souls being lost will be on you. You have been warned, God and the Angels of heaven bear witness to this.
As for your insults about my sources and facts, there are plenty of doctrinal experts and Bible students out there who'd disagree with your findings wholeheartedly. I don't have to provide sources and links for that, you can look it up for yourself.
I have a strange sort of opinion on homosexuality.
Religiously, I believe it is a sin. As such I would never be gay myself (although I wouldn't anyway, I can't say I've ever looked at a guy and been like, "Whoa that dude's hot" lol).
Politically, I'm a bit neutral. We live in a free country so I do think it should be legal. I won't vote in favor of it due to my religious beliefs, but I also won't vote against it.
Morally, kind of hard to say. I have some gay friends. Hell my girlfriend's mother is bisexual (and currently with a woman). It's just a part of the world we live in now. I don't hate gay people. I don't condone their actions, but it's their business and their lives. Not mine.
So basically I'm saying... Christian churches shouldn't allow or recognize homosexual marriages, but government should.
Government's choice, you are correct.
However, I'd be lying if I said God would just "overlook" the governments decision.
"Righteousness exalts a nation, but sin is a reproach to any people." - Proverbs 14:34
I agree. (I'm a guy and I've told both girls and other guys that they look good, but that doesn't mean i'm attracted to that person. :P)
I think that if we are a "free" country, we shouldn't have laws that completely go against the LGBT crowd, but yet at the same time I a completely against legalizing gay marriage because I know what God says.
I would never vote for pro-gay anything. I would actually vote against it. But I do think that an employee has the full right to refuse service to anyone when s/he believes it goes against their own religious beliefs. The other person there should either find another person who WILL do the cake for their gay wedding or just go two blocks down the street to a bakery/baker that has no problem with it.
Morally, also hard for me to say... I have a friend online (though I haven't talked to him for awhile) who is outspokenly gay but I don't insult him for his "orientation", even though I completely believe it is a sin.
Again, hate the sin but don't hate the sinner.
A certain rule in orthodoxy says something really hard , something along the lines of " those of the same gender that fall in sin one with another , rather they kill each other and not spread their filth to others because their blood is against one another due of this act "
Let's say i don't advocate that but instead i think they should be tolerated but marriage should stay sacred IMO just between a man and a woman, no matter the race or the specie however
Say if a man or a woman marries their alien bride or groom that should be holy too
To me homosexuality spawned from too much depravity , or severe lack of opposite sex/or increased hate for it and then for the need to try something new , to shock the public and even for the money
Personally i won't say that i won't ever have sex with another woman but i would really never consider marrying at the altar. That would be wrong.