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Is evolution compatible with theism and The Bible?
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GDI Commando Creator
GDI Commando Jan 27 2015, 11:43pm says:

The Genesis account I take literally.

If this is not the case than I'll just wait till I'm dead and have gone home to ask the Lord the real age of it all. But consider this, knowing the Lord, couldn't he have also "staged" things to appear older than they really are? There's a question.

Overall there are inconsistencies that need to be addressed. Could the creation be older than the Biblical account? Maybe, maybe not. Ask the Lord when you get the time. There are things that no matter how much we pry into a definite answer will escape us till were right there with the Lord.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jan 28 2015, 12:07am says:

In my opinion evolution exists only to the extent that it has been observed, which is variation within a kind.

Quote:God made the wild animals according to their kinds, the livestock according to their kinds, and all the creatures that move along the ground according to their kinds. And God saw that it was good.

Genesis 1:25.

Therefore since it appears that God created the fundamental creatures which later diversified (example: created a canine like creature which likely evolved to modern day wolves and dogs) it could be considered that God used evolution to an extent but the likeliness of ALL life being related to one creature which was created by God is pretty much absurd.

Mostly I doubt that God would have enjoyed seeing the suffering that evolution brings with it so much that he would have used it his primary method of making life... That in itself sounds stupid. "Lets create a system where millions of creatures will have to die so that we can populate the world over millions of years with life!"? Yeah, no... That just wouldn't be the God that the Bible describes.

Sorry for an incoherent mess of a comment but I really need to get back to studying for an exam that I have tomorrow and coherent arrangements take a while to write.

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GDI Commando Creator
GDI Commando Jan 28 2015, 12:14am replied:

^^^ What he said. :-)

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Cheeky_Bi_Agnostic
Cheeky_Bi_Agnostic Jan 31 2015, 8:31am replied:

The fossil record can only be explained by evolution. It's as simple as that, all religions need to accept that and move with the times.

As an agnostic I find arguments on both atheist and theist sides somewhat reasonable but many in the atheist community won't take any of you seriously until you dispense with the blind faith in creationism which isn't supported by either philosophy or empirical scientific evidence. This leads to the douchebaggery we observe from the likes of r/atheism and moddb's very own atheist group who really hate creationists and who think *all* theists are creationists who deny evidence.

Don't let their hate and bigotry keep you latching onto creationism though. Do some honest research on evolution, as I said, the fossil record can only be explained by evolution.

Quote:Mostly I doubt that God would have enjoyed seeing the suffering that evolution brings with it so much that he would have used it his primary method of making life... That in itself sounds stupid. "Lets create a system where millions of creatures will have to die so that we can populate the world over millions of years with life!"?

Well the fossil records says this happened anyway. The dinosaurs suffered this fate so how do you explain that? Everything suffers and dies, that's the way of nature.

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GDI Commando Creator
GDI Commando 3hours 14mins ago replied:

Everything suffers and dies because sin made things that way.

Before Lucifer's rebellion no life knew the touch of death. If you pay attention, you realize after the fall of Adam and Eve that people began to die (and younger and younger at that) as was chronicled in the book. If it weren't for sin, people would live forever.

Scientists even support this saying that the way the body is designed is to constantly regenerate itself after such an amount of years. It dying like this shouldn't have even been a factor!

You guys support evolution yet you still cannot find the missing link for mankind (in fact the whole chain seems ubsurd). No one has a clue where we come from. And there are still other links and chains out there to other species you have yet to locate.

If the universe is older than the Bible says than that's due to someone either:

A. screwing up the texts.
B. us misinterpreting it.
C. us only getting part of the whole story.

I wouldn't be surprised if the creation is older than account, but still, I have my obligations.

If you study the Genesis account carefully you'll find it's believed to have been a Raptor Satan used to trick Eve through it's limited speech capability. Even science supports raptors were extremely intelligent even more than primates. Shortly after that God cursed them to slither on their bellies forever which no doubt had many warping effects on their bodies and intellect. Mass extinction? Or mass punishment. You choose.

There's also a Biblical instance that tells of creatures with tails as long as the cedars of Lebanon. Only creature with a tail that big would be the Diplodocus. So yes, Dino's were believed to be around during Biblical times. As to why many of them died, partly due to curses and man's desire to hunt I suppose. I admit, killing something that big is tempting.

All this Dino talk makes me want to go on a safari to Jurassic park...

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λpone
λpone Jan 28 2015, 7:28pm says:

Doesn't the Catholic Church accept evolution?

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jan 28 2015, 10:22pm replied:

So? I mean does it even matter what the Catholic Church thinks at this point? They have done almost nothing but hurt Christianity as a whole for the past 2000ish years and yet somehow they still represent all of Christianity...

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λpone
λpone Jan 29 2015, 2:05am replied:

I was just askin.

And it is pretty relevant since the two religions are pretty close.

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MattmanDude Creator
MattmanDude 21hours 42mins ago replied:

Well, from an outside perspective I can see how the Catholic Church would seem similar (it is a branch of Christianity after all). Although, when you compare them to other Christian sects they start to look a lot different.

Anyway, back to the subject at hand. I tend to agree more with the idea of Theistic Evolution. There's an interesting theory about the 6 days in which creation took place. It basically presents the idea that those 6 days were not 6, 24-hour days.

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Lara-Croft_69-♥-♫-ツ
Lara-Croft_69-♥-♫-ツ Jan 28 2015, 10:21pm says:

A gentle nudge in the right direction. :D
whisper: This finely tuned nature. Youtube.com ;)


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GDI Commando Creator
GDI Commando Jan 29 2015, 12:28pm replied:

Poor birds... :-(

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Lara-Croft_69-♥-♫-ツ
Lara-Croft_69-♥-♫-ツ Jan 29 2015, 10:39pm replied:

Indeed.

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Theistic evolution is the idea that God controls evolution, directing the evolution of life forms. Deistic evolution maintains that evolution is its own system that functions by itself and was in God's plan for the universe from the beginning. It's regular evolution with the philosophical understanding, that like all natural processes, it's God's design for our universe.

Critics might say that theism or Christianity and this evolution are incompatible but this is far from the case. If God is omniscient as many Bible verses would say (i.e Romans 11:33-36) then a biological process like evolution would make sense with this type of god who could see everything if he so desired. For a timeless being whose mind transcends space and time, the evolution of things and time it takes would not matter. The end result is already done and the process ensures that life can continue to evolve and change without his constant intervention.

Deistic evolution is like the idea of a designer for a computer who makes it so it can function without his constant supervision and aid. The ultimate computer would be a computer that could upgrade and repair itself without user supervision. This is the universe all over with its self-repair and equilibrium of natural forces (including forces we perceive as "disastrous" such as volcanic eruptions which are beneficial in their own right for allowing the rebirth of land and even creating new land - Volcano.oregonstate.edu).

Since this is the truth with other processes in the universe (everything happening overtime - i.e planetary formation) I don't see how evolution could invalidate theism or The Bible.

I've also already explained in this article here Moddb.com why I and some of the early Christian saints and writers don't believe the Genesis account should be taken literally.

So for me, I believe it's more than compatible

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