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This group is exactly what the name implies. A group for people who are Christians. If you're a Christian then please join us. We're a place on ModDB for Christians to gather and talk. It's as simple as that.
This image is in response to this image:
The image in question has the caption of "Imagine a world without religion" and it shows the World Trade Center still standing. It is as though the image is claiming that atheism is perfect and that atheistic and irreligious ideals will bring peace. The image that I have created argues against that and shows that atheistic ideals (communism) and irreligious beliefs can cause death and war just as any religion can if a tyrant uses it for their own greedy desires.
Pol Pot happened to be an atheist communist who imposed Agrarian socialism on the people of Cambodia. The result was that people were used in forced labor and had poor health care. Meanwhile Pol Pot arranged executions for those who opposed him. The result was that 21% of the population of Cambodia died while under his ruler ship.
Pol Pot also led the Khmer Rouge during his time as leader of Cambodia. The Khmer Rouge are responsible for genocide along with other atrocious deeds that they committed during their quest to forcefully change Cambodia into an agrarian communist society.
Hitler was irreligious and he persecuted Jews, Christians and Jehovah Witnesses. Hitler praised Christianity in 1922 but as referenced in Hitler's Table Talk, Hitler was negative about Christianity and religion in general by 1941.
Atheistic states like USSR also persecuted religion (killing religious people) and atheistic states like North Korea continues to do so today. North Korea also disallows people from following a religion or believing in a god and it also disallows freedom of speech. Anyone who follows a religion or speaks freely is executed or imprisoned.
Am I calling atheism evil? No but to say it's perfect is a lie. Religion has been used for evil in the past but so have atheistic belief systems and anti-religion has been used as fuel for evil too.
This is so true. Simple but true.
What about the world with religion? The one with Great crusades, torture, murdering, corrupt churches and leaders only looking after themselfs? Don't the middle ages ring any bells?
Religion possibly killed and dismissed many great minds that could have made our future very much different, kinda stopped everyone from advancing every way possible. I don't see how religion can save us from anything.
Me and pretty much everyone around live without a religion and I don't see wars happening. Having or not having a religion won't save from world wars and evil dictators. This was prooven many times in history. Wars happen for anything, even when people from another country don't believe in your god or because some guy doesn't like people of the other race.
@aidas2
You mean the political motivated Crusades? Also read the last paragraph in the description, I don't claim that religion is perfect and I even claim that it's been used in evil in the past but so has atheism.
I also never claimed that religion stops wars but to say that a world without religion would be peaceful is ignoring the facts and being ignorant of the truth. The USSR and North Korea prove that atheism isn't as peaceful as you say it is and most of the countries which suppress freedom of speech and persecute those that speak out are atheist and Islamic countries. Christianity is also the most persecuted religious group.
you sir, deserve a cookie :P
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You can bash Atheism all you want, but Religion is the worst thing on the face of the planet and the best thing is, more and more people around the world realise this. Ever since it was "invented", religion was the prime thing why wars were waged, money came after that.
Over the years i watched you and your comments, and there is really no point in talking with you KnightofEcclesia. You made up your mind about religion and you will continue to bash everyone who doesn't agree with you as you always did. And if you are so sure about your religion, why does it bother you that i doubt it ???
Btw i believe in Power Rangers, they are real right ???
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"You made up your mind about religion and you will continue to bash everyone who doesn't agree with you as you always did. And if you are so sure about your religion, why does it bother you that i doubt it ??? "
Well said.
Typical Christian mentality. Not christian/ doesn't believe in god - instantly offended, must talk him to belive in god and/or dismiss his claim, always claim it's the people and not the religion. If not possible - dismiss as an idiot, atheist or whatever else.
And you think that atheists don't do that to Christians? (Sorry but I had to say something in response to your generalization).
Personally I think this whole concept of attack and counter-attack that you people (on both sides) started here is kind of pointless and immature.
Live, and let live. Neither side is ever going to convince the other to come to theirs so why don't we all just coexist peacefully? Or is that too much to ask from the internet.
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Honestly, was expecting to be eaten alive by some religious nut.
"And you think that atheists don't do that to Christians?"
Although what you say might be true about this, most of the time atheist dismiss religious ppl as crazy while most religious ppl will get hell bent to proove us that we are wrong and so on, atleast the ones I've encountered.
"Personally I think this whole concept of attack and counter-attack that you people (on both sides) started here is kind of pointless and immature."
I don't indend on attacking anyone, just wanted to show that this post is one sided and a bit too much. The same exact thing can be done from the other side with even more gruessome and mindless examples.
Well that's certainly true. This post is completely one sided and is a bit too much. But the same can be said of what it was in response too.
There's always some excuse for behavior, no matter who is making it.
Oh also, who voted down my Karma on that last comment? Did I really say something "that" offensive to you? lol
Not me, only gave karma to Sanguinius.
Yes the image is one sided but for a reason. However unlike the atheist's image, I have a little less bias in mine because I state this in the description:
"Am I calling atheism evil? No but to say it's perfect is a lie. Religion has been used for evil in the past but so have atheistic belief systems and anti-religion has been used as fuel for evil too."
As you can see I do indeed say that religion has been used for evil in the past too.
ok aidas, why are you in this group if you are just going to bash religion and christianity in general? this is not the atheists group so honestly just leave, you arent wanted here
I'm not bashing, henche why I said that I wanted to highligt that this post is ridiciously one sided and completely stupid.
It's one sided because the image it's responding to is one sided.
@Sanguinius
So the images you post in your atheist group are okay but when a Christian does it isn't? Get off your high horse and take your hypocrisy with you Sanguinius. Atheism has caused much evil and isn't perfect and this image and the facts associated with them prove that. You should learn to accept that. You too have made your mind up about atheism and you accept it as gospel truth so don't be a hypocrite.
You've watched me and my comments over the years? I only started commenting on this group back in 2011 when it was created. Seriously stop lying and accept the truth. The truth will set you free.
And BTW where did I say that I'm bothered that you doubt my religion? This image isn't even about debunking the atheism theory (something I did in my article which I shall link to below). This image is in response to the image in the atheist group.
Think before you act on emotions Sanguinius. I'm sure Hilter, Stalin and Pol Pot also all acted on emotions rather than on rational thought. Look how that turned out...
Here's the article that I created arguing against atheism and providing evidence for God:
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Please lol. Keep the Peace People. I'm an Atheist through and through, and also believe Religion has caused most of the Deaths of Humans and suffering ect. since its creation.
But, it all depends on the person. A religious person, if peaceful, will remain peaceful regardless of Religion or not. A violent Atheist will remain violent whether Religion exsists or not. It all depends on the PERSON, not the RELIGION (or lack of Religion).
This sort of debate is pointless as there will always somewhere be a violent Religious guy and a violent Atheist guy, aswell as a peaceful version of both. Like I said, its the PERSON, not the RELIGION that makes a person violent or not. Cruel or not.
This is pretty much what I believe. There have been tyrants in religion and tyrants in atheistic and non-religious belief systems. There are actually people who do kill for religion and wouldn't have done so otherwise but as the description states, there have been irreligious people who have killed religious people for their beliefs too.
You'll find evil people in religion but you'll also find evil people in atheism and non-religion. This image was created to argue against the image on the atheist group. A world without religion won't mean peace. Want a world of peace? Destroy all opinions but then you have the oppressive force of communism at work.
In Conclusion:
I'm not calling atheism evil with this image. The purpose of the image is to show that irreligious and atheist ideals have caused death just as religion has caused death.
And I can mostly certainly say that no human is perfect.
Thank you for your comment Ten10dix. I agree wholeheartedly with you.
Good or evil can come from many places and are not determinate to a person's religious views or lack thereof.
(Although one thing I just thought of that I'd like to say... I think a lot of times atheists confuse "religions" with "organized religion." Organized religion usually leads to problems imo).
Mattman, thats probably the most intelligent thing i've seen anyone write from this group. @triangulum, if you said this, you would look like a hypocrite. make up your mind
Here's something that I found on youtube after seeing it on someones profile here on moddb. Youtube.com I think it fits to what was being talked about. (btw could someone post it as a video, I don't exactly know how to get the video from youtube to my computer)
Your image is of a world without morals, ethics, and free information. Never confuse those with religion.
My image is actually of a world where freedom of speech is persecuted which is something that atheistic systems and communist systems have given birth to.
You're still not getting the overall picture though. I haven't called religion perfect and that's not the aim of the image. The aim of the image is to show that irreligion and atheistic ideals have caused death and suffering too.
North Korea actively persecutes those who believe in a god or follow a religion.
https://www.moddb.com/groups/atheists-of-moddb/images/reaction-on-this-picture-from-christian-group#imagebox
you fail so hard Ecclesia.
Not as hard as you Adenn 'Verda or the guy who created that reaction because unlike him and you I actually have sources for my claims. Here's my response to said image:
1: Hitler wasn't a Christian. Read Hitler's Table Talk as referenced in the description.
2: Stalin persecuted religious people for the sake of atheism.
3: The guy who created the computer was a Christian.
4: Hitler was anti-Christian. Hitler's Table Talk references this.
5: Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, USSR and North Korea have killed more in a shorter time span.
Here's one of Hitler's quotes from 1941:
14th October, 1941, midday:
"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."
Hitler's quotes that praise Christianity are from 1920. He might have been Christian then but he clearly wasn't during 1941 and probably lost his faith like Charles Darwin.
Also your image doesn't even address USSR, North Korea or Pol Pot. When you conjure up a real argument supported by facts you know where to find me.
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I'm not sure about everyone else but me personally as an Atheist, i just feel the need to kill everyone, you know?
Obviously because i'm not religious i have no morals because everyone knows morals are born out of religion (Christianity specifically because it is the only true religion... even though i don't believe it). Because of this i always feel the need to rape, kill and commit genocide against everyone i see. I find it amazing how religious people can control this urge despite the fact that it is not in the ten commandments and is in fact encouraged in the bible... I guess it's just good ol' fashioned god-fearing eh? I personally hate god (despite not believing in him) which is why i sin... to spite him. I hope he's really ****** off at me because that's how i get by with my pathetic existence.
Well nevertheless i'm off to go rape and murder an entire city with my Atheist friends... What was that saying from genocides previous? Deus vult? They had the right idea...
Godwin jackpot.
Ding-ding-ding-ding.
You've been awarded 100 points !
Okay I would like to mention that this whole debate about one side is evil and the other is pure is a bunch of crap. I am Christian, I am proud of it, and nothing ever could sway my belief in God; however, I have nothing against atheists or people of other religions. That is their choice not mine.
And now as to the whole death and wars. Both sides are guilty. Atheists have killed millions in the history of mankind. Christians have killed millions in the history of mankind. Muslims have killed millions in the history of mankind. Need I go on? People we are HUMAN. Plain and simple. There are always the wackos and crazies lurking around. There are always those who want more power and dont care about others. These people dont see a difference between beliefs, only their own messed up world. But the average people like you and me are just plain and simple believers. Just because you are Atheist doesnt mean you dont have any morals, and just because you are Christian doesnt mean that you will kill people who dont believe what you do.
War and death is just a part of our world and it has nothing to do with if you are Atheist or Christian or Muslim or whatever.
I am sick of when people think that their belief is better or never did anything wrong. The Catholic Church screwed up big and I will easily admit it. But atheists dont have a prettier background than Christians do either. How about we just get along? I dont care what you believe and I dont want to attack your beliefs. So leave mine alone.
That's the point of the image and that's what I was arguing about through this image. I never once claimed that evil hasn't been committed in the name of religion. The point of this image was to debunk the image it was responding to which was claiming that atheism was perfect.
I'm not sure what part of this picture/argument I should respond to first...
Okay, first off, I am a Christian, as many of you probably already know.
Second, I have nothing against atheists. Some of my best friends are atheists.
Now that that's out of the way, I'll post my thoughts on some things:
To the ones who say that religion has added nothing good to the world, and only bad, I ask you this: Do you agree with Christian morals? Do you agree that killing, stealing, coveting, lying, ect. is bad?
To members of the atheist group: Your group, last I checked, does almost nothing but bash Christians/religion, whereas this group, arguably only has just one picture that does that. Although to me it's not so much bashing anything, it's just saying that religion has a positive influence on the world. Though I can see how it would be interpreted differently.
To people who say religion is bad: Name a time in recent history where and organized group of Christians lashed out against atheists in the real world. This happens nearly constantly to Christians, by atheists, but I can't think of a single recent time where it's happened the other way around.
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Just to clarify: Again, I do not hate or even dislike atheists. I'm also not saying that all atheists hate Christians. I'm just saying, that I can only think of a handful of times where I've seen Christians hating on atheists, but I can find hundreds, if not thousands of examples of it working the other way.
Like Mattman said: Unpleasant people come from everywhere. Most religions don't create bad people, and neither does atheism.
And as for the picture itself....Well, I do think it's true - Why is that? Is it because atheists are bad? NO. It's just that I think morals would slowly but surely go away if religion did. Christianity gives a very clear set of rules. Those rules have been incorporated into laws. (America was founded on Christian morals) Regardless of whether or not you believe in a God, the fact that Christian morals have helped things is indisputable. If every religious person suddenly died out, or stopped believing, and no one ever picked it up again...
...What would happen? Well, at first things may look good. But I think in a few centuries, laws would get looser and looser, more people would rationalize sin away, because to them, there's no such thing as sin. Eventually, people couldn't tell the difference between right and wrong. There are people like that today, no? Well, without religion, I think that kind of person would be all that's left eventually.
The Bible actually foretells this happening, if I remember correctly. I don't know the exact verses, but I think it says that in the last days, there will be no believers or good men left, and the earth will be lawless and violent.
Just my thoughts on the matter...Thanks for taking the time to read it =)
I'm not sure about all morals dying out altogether. To take someone's life is something that most sane humans would avoid. However we have seen some rather indecent things happening throughout the years in countries where religion isn't as dominant anymore.
For example public sex exists today. A few centuries ago? You'd never find anyone engaging in sex in public because people had decency. I hear lots of people justifying such behavior with the argument that we are animals. We're not and even if evolution were true, why should we act like animals? Animals also murder, rape, eat their own poo and drink their own urine. Should we do that too then? Some humans already do but it's non-justifiable.
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I agree with everything else you have said. You summed up my thoughts nicely.
Just as a comment on the public sex and the argument that we are animals; humans and dolphins are the only ones that have sex for pleasure. All the others do it for reproductive reasons.
First off, All of these Images are from real life. Second, Hitler was a Deist and he belived In God, Third, If everyone followed the morals and traditions In Duteronomy And Leviticus, The world would be worst than everything In those pictures and BEYOND.
Firstly: I know. They were real events.
Secondly: Hitler didn't believe in God. He did once but gave up on that belief. Read Hitler's Table Talk.
Thirdly: The Jewish people did follow Duteronomy and Leviticus and they did pretty well until they turned away from those rules and started sacrificing their childish through fire as pagan religions commanded and murdering and committing every sin out there.
Fourthly: No one obeys Duteronomy and Leviticus anymore. Christianity is about the teachings of Christ. Christianity is peaceful.
I myself fear that if the world would have nothing but religion, people would in the end forget the most important things, like science.
While I admit, there are some more intelligent christians, even those who are scientists, one must admit, there are more people who are instead blind with their faith.
Religion does not seek to erase science and never has.