A World Without Religion image - Christians of Moddb

Huh, yeah really, you believe that false doctrine when it was the people and not the religion?

I don't believe in anything related to religion as history showed it's just lies, greed and personal benefit from others. There's nothing good about it.

So Jesus Christ, Gandhi and Buddha are evil? All three taught the same teachings about peace and love for everyone and yet you attack Christianity because of The Church (Christ actually spoke out against religious authority but you wouldn't know because you are too stubborn to read The Bible).

What do atheists teach? Richard Dawkins constantly attacks religions and religious people and never speaks of peace and yet you're telling me that atheism is perfect?

I never claimed atheism is perfect. I don't even follow any atheism or theism or anything. I just live by myself based on logic not some idiotic made up rules.

And what idiotic made up rules would those be? Thou shall not murder? Thou shall not commit adultery? Thou shall not steal?

I'd take those rules (which structured the law system we have today) over whatever ridiculous ideals you have. Let me guess what your ideals are...

"We are animals. Therefore acts of indecency are alright. We must also respect each other. Every human being deserves to be respected cept for religious people! Hate religion and those that follow religion! Raaaargh!"

I'll stick with the scripture thank you very much.

And yes some good things have arisen from religion:

+Charities
+Peaceful Protests often resulting in Martyrdom because the believers refuse to use violence. This is how Christianity came to dominate Rome. Through peace.
+Some people have turned away from lives of crimes due to the teachings of Christ (me being one).
+Some people have devoted their lives to helping others due to their religion.
+Some people give up all they own due to their religion.
+I'm pretty sure that the German and English troops stopped fighting on Christmas day during WWII. Shame they couldn't stop the war altogether though...

Yes there have been bad things done in the name of religion but there's been good things done too. What has atheism done other than promote its belief on buses?

We Christians don't attack atheist organizations but we had our Churches burned down in Norway by atheists just because of what we believed and you're telling me that atheism is perfect?

so basically:
When it's Hitler, Pol Pot and Stalin --> it's their Atheism (even though Hitler was not Atheist) which causes them to kill.

When it's the medieval church --> it's the people and not the religion.

Hypocrisy at it's finest...

Wrong Admiral. Wrong.

Hitler was irreligious (read the description) and killed religious people due to his hatred of religion. Hitler's Table Talk references his dislike of Christianity and organized religion in general. We've got quotes of him saying Christianity is a disease.

Also, I don't disagree that the medieval church killed for religion. It did and I never did deny that religion has been used for evil and I even state that is has been used for evil in the last paragraph for the image description.

@aidas2
You mean the political motivated Crusades? Also read the last paragraph in the description, I don't claim that religion is perfect and I even claim that it's been used in evil in the past but so has atheism.

I also never claimed that religion stops wars but to say that a world without religion would be peaceful is ignoring the facts and being ignorant of the truth. The USSR and North Korea prove that atheism isn't as peaceful as you say it is and most of the countries which suppress freedom of speech and persecute those that speak out are atheist and Islamic countries. Christianity is also the most persecuted religious group.

you sir, deserve a cookie :P

And you think that atheists don't do that to Christians? (Sorry but I had to say something in response to your generalization).

Personally I think this whole concept of attack and counter-attack that you people (on both sides) started here is kind of pointless and immature.

Live, and let live. Neither side is ever going to convince the other to come to theirs so why don't we all just coexist peacefully? Or is that too much to ask from the internet.

Well that's certainly true. This post is completely one sided and is a bit too much. But the same can be said of what it was in response too.

There's always some excuse for behavior, no matter who is making it.

Oh also, who voted down my Karma on that last comment? Did I really say something "that" offensive to you? lol

Not me, only gave karma to Sanguinius.

Yes the image is one sided but for a reason. However unlike the atheist's image, I have a little less bias in mine because I state this in the description:

"Am I calling atheism evil? No but to say it's perfect is a lie. Religion has been used for evil in the past but so have atheistic belief systems and anti-religion has been used as fuel for evil too."

As you can see I do indeed say that religion has been used for evil in the past too.

ok aidas, why are you in this group if you are just going to bash religion and christianity in general? this is not the atheists group so honestly just leave, you arent wanted here

I'm not bashing, henche why I said that I wanted to highligt that this post is ridiciously one sided and completely stupid.

It's one sided because the image it's responding to is one sided.

@Sanguinius

So the images you post in your atheist group are okay but when a Christian does it isn't? Get off your high horse and take your hypocrisy with you Sanguinius. Atheism has caused much evil and isn't perfect and this image and the facts associated with them prove that. You should learn to accept that. You too have made your mind up about atheism and you accept it as gospel truth so don't be a hypocrite.

You've watched me and my comments over the years? I only started commenting on this group back in 2011 when it was created. Seriously stop lying and accept the truth. The truth will set you free.

And BTW where did I say that I'm bothered that you doubt my religion? This image isn't even about debunking the atheism theory (something I did in my article which I shall link to below). This image is in response to the image in the atheist group.

Think before you act on emotions Sanguinius. I'm sure Hilter, Stalin and Pol Pot also all acted on emotions rather than on rational thought. Look how that turned out...

Here's the article that I created arguing against atheism and providing evidence for God:

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I didn't post a single picture on Atheist group, you confused me with someone else.

I didn't lie at all i followed you since beginning and all you do is bash everyone(especially Atheists) and act like we are below you. You talk about rational thought but you believe in a dude who died 2000 years ago and some idiot wrote a few stories about him...please don't talk about rational thoughts.

Also i don't act on emotions i just can't stand self righteousness idiot's like you. No wonder the world is ****** up. Also how many accounts did you use to vote us down, keep it up lol. I give up talking to you, you are too ignorant.

You have lied Sanguinius because this group was created in 2011 and the arguments only really started happening near the end of last year so I really don't know where you got the "years" from because I can assure you that this group and debates within haven't been for years.

I don't bash atheists, I defend Christianity against you atheists who keep coming here and bashing Christianity. Maybe you're ignorant of the comment page for this group though where atheists keep coming and bashing Christianity without putting forth any valid arguments.

I don't believe in a "dude" who died 2000 years ago. I believe in a divine being who lived 2000 years ago who taught about peace and salvation and I'd rather listen to him than to some old man who lived two centuries ago who taught that dragons could one day become reality via evolution.

You're the one who is self righteous Sanguinius and you now swear at me proving my point that atheists are hateful. You're paranoid in thinking that I have multiple accounts. Maybe your comment was vote down because you're in a Christian group where everyone disagrees with you.

It's clear there's no rational thought in your brain based on that last part.
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I didn't mind about the odd atheists coming here and yelling but this is going to far.

What are the atheists contributing to this image anyway other than false information, lies, slander and comments proving my point? Their hypocrisy is astonishing and it's funny how easily upset they are over the truth.

Well they say the truth hurts.

Seriously Triangulum, I've argued against atheists for seven years. I've seen all of their tricks and arguments and the comments here don't shock me. I still get annoyed though because ignorance is so astounding.

This image isn't even arguing about God existing, the image is actually stating that atheism isn't peaceful as many atheists claim it to be. I'm pretty certain that all the atheists who have commented thus far were so hurt by the truth that they didn't even bother reading the description.

xD agreed Knight

This is pretty much what I believe. There have been tyrants in religion and tyrants in atheistic and non-religious belief systems. There are actually people who do kill for religion and wouldn't have done so otherwise but as the description states, there have been irreligious people who have killed religious people for their beliefs too.

You'll find evil people in religion but you'll also find evil people in atheism and non-religion. This image was created to argue against the image on the atheist group. A world without religion won't mean peace. Want a world of peace? Destroy all opinions but then you have the oppressive force of communism at work.

In Conclusion:

I'm not calling atheism evil with this image. The purpose of the image is to show that irreligious and atheist ideals have caused death just as religion has caused death.

And I can mostly certainly say that no human is perfect.

Thank you for your comment Ten10dix. I agree wholeheartedly with you.

Good or evil can come from many places and are not determinate to a person's religious views or lack thereof.

(Although one thing I just thought of that I'd like to say... I think a lot of times atheists confuse "religions" with "organized religion." Organized religion usually leads to problems imo).

Mattman, thats probably the most intelligent thing i've seen anyone write from this group. @triangulum, if you said this, you would look like a hypocrite. make up your mind

that is what I said earlier on.

My image is actually of a world where freedom of speech is persecuted which is something that atheistic systems and communist systems have given birth to.

You're still not getting the overall picture though. I haven't called religion perfect and that's not the aim of the image. The aim of the image is to show that irreligion and atheistic ideals have caused death and suffering too.

North Korea actively persecutes those who believe in a god or follow a religion.

Not as hard as you Adenn 'Verda or the guy who created that reaction because unlike him and you I actually have sources for my claims. Here's my response to said image:

1: Hitler wasn't a Christian. Read Hitler's Table Talk as referenced in the description.
2: Stalin persecuted religious people for the sake of atheism.
3: The guy who created the computer was a Christian.
4: Hitler was anti-Christian. Hitler's Table Talk references this.
5: Pol Pot, Stalin, Hitler, USSR and North Korea have killed more in a shorter time span.

Here's one of Hitler's quotes from 1941:

14th October, 1941, midday:

"The best thing is to let Christianity die a natural death.... When understanding of the universe has become widespread... Christian doctrine will be convicted of absurdity.... Christianity has reached the peak of absurdity.... And that's why someday its structure will collapse.... ...the only way to get rid of Christianity is to allow it to die little by little.... Christianity the liar.... We'll see to it that the Churches cannot spread abroad teachings in conflict with the interests of the State."

Hitler's quotes that praise Christianity are from 1920. He might have been Christian then but he clearly wasn't during 1941 and probably lost his faith like Charles Darwin.

Also your image doesn't even address USSR, North Korea or Pol Pot. When you conjure up a real argument supported by facts you know where to find me.
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what??

He be trolling.

"U mad admiral?"

Yeah he mad.

No not at all.

On the contrary i was just posting that comment to show that there is bad/evil on both sides of this argument...

That's the point of the image and that's what I was arguing about through this image. I never once claimed that evil hasn't been committed in the name of religion. The point of this image was to debunk the image it was responding to which was claiming that atheism was perfect.