HAARP - WTF? Thread

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HAARP - have you heard about it? No?

Maybe you should, because it seems to be (not IS) capable of:
* detecting minerals and natural resources, such as oil or gas
* modifying weather
* knocking down aircraft
* knocking down satellites O.o
* causing earthquakes
* and even mind-control (??)

Now, now. So, the first question is one of the most important ones: have you heard about it?

What do you think about its capabilities?

It seems that one should research these people:
Bernard Eastlund - person who laid foundations for HAARP, so one call him its inventor, he was said to have more critical opinion about HAARP project later on because of its growing possible military use as a weapon of mass destruction.
Dr. Nick Begich (avoid to confuse with Sr. Nicholas Joseph "Nick" Begich!).

Edited by: feillyne

Have heard about it, but since there is no way for me to verify it's capabilities, i don't really bother wondering about it.

Conspiracy theories weren't born just yesterday you know. Information can manipulated easily and governments aren't only ones capable of doing that. That's why i'm usually sceptical about things like this.

And second coming of the christ? seriously?

heard about it to, but let me correct you:HAARP IS capable of only one thing: research. its a research base, nothing more. But they don't tell what they are researching.
They said they where researching the ionosphere for analysis and the potential for using it for communication and surveillance (among others)
But they kept all secretive about it, so conspiracy theories arise about weapons and stuff.
But yah, chances that they are actually researching weapons is high..chances that they are capable of things they say in the conspiracy theory, unlikely.

modifying the weather is already possible a bit, they did it during the Olympics in china.
knocking down aircraft/Satellites is also possible, the weapon is called missiles :p
earthquakes, actually if you fire at one of those fault lines(or however they are called in english :p) and there is a chance to cause one
and mind control, yah, just no, scientists know what 5%-10% of the brain does..thats nearly not enough to control someone trough his mind.

For the record, i kinda like conspiracy theories for the stories if you may say, most of those aren't really rational and a good read :)
BUT
i am not denying that the possibility of those conspiracy theories being true is there :)
then again, as some people say "it works...IN THEORY" if you get what i mean xD

@Blaze_K: where you got that? :p

EDIT: correction -> Not a research base, but a research program, which is basically the same except no place is given :p

Edited by: Arxae

You mean the jesus thing? It's among the youtube videos that he put on his profile.

ah :p tought so, can't look now tho, can't turn up sound (in class lol) T^T

Sigma, yeah, I like conspiracy theories for entertainment purposes. But somewhere deep inside I have a desire for the truth, too.

And no government official convince me with their words or with their faked proofs or overlooking something ("accidentally").

Believe me, in my own country there were and STILL ARE so many documents shown or declassified, which tell brutal and real stories about torture, selling others to secret police (beating & killing, or even torture), wiretapping and other nasty stuff.

And what about a country rich and big as USA? Secret budget? UFOs as their OWN secret aircraft (no extraterrestials)?
Everything's possible. You talk in trillions here.

Blaze_K, that guy tells something about false Christs, too. Remember the incident in Waco? Have you read about that sect? No?
Besides, that earthquake graph/stats is shown by him, I just ripped it off from his YouTube vid.

You don't judge a book by its cover. And if you judge by the cover, you're 99% bound to fail.
First watch the vids, then judge what this "2nd coming of Christ" is about at all.

[Edit] Oh, I've forgotten. Son of Bernard Eastlund says that HAARP and similar projects were really intended to be very advanced anti-air defence system. So who knows what they're doing between open days (taking place once 2 years)... ^^

Edited by: feillyne

Someone wrote: Blaze_K, that guy tells something about false Christs, too.

And your point is? So recently there have been some guys claiming they're Jesus. And what about it?
Will they cause the world to stop?

And about judging by covers, I watched the first part of this second coming video.
I have also watched (long time ago) some Adventists propaganda movie and it was one of the weirdest trips i've ever had. 40 minutes of complete madness.

Scenes showing people pulling their relatives out of graves (yeah, zombies...). Cosmic City Jerusalem landing on Earth. Sinners' tanks trying to shoot the said Space City. Heathens & sinners being all burned by the loving God.
Isn't it just awesome?
For me it was.

Let's get back to HAARP.

Oh yeah, I've heard about them all my life, that's mostly Catholic upbringing in a country invaded by Nazis in the past. You hear about everything, from tarot possessions to Nazi propaganda machine and Soviet war tactics (throwing helmets to catch opponent's attention and so on).

But the point of that guy was that we are facing more and more catastrophes than anyone in the past were.

So back to HAARP - there are specific signs of using it as a weapon. If you had watched vids and so some research, you'd know them.
The problem is that when you know how the weapon manifests, you can either
1) be able to make photo shots as a proof
2) fake shots as a proof

That's the core of the problem. And gov't is even better in faking anything. It's sad people forget about that and believe everything gov't and officials say, and when they are later proven wrong, nobody notices.

PS O.o I checked your nationality just now.

Edited by: feillyne

I doubt it's ever going to be in these days easy to ever be too skeptical about others ideas and opinions.

How can one be entirely sure with 100% accuracy something is true or not. Even the simplest seeming of things can be effected profoundly by a larger, more complicated thing.

Especially when everyone is questioning everyone, government, and peoples.

We've come out of an age where things that were deemed impossible are all very much possible today.

Our science is not entirely 100% accurate. In some areas it's thought to be incomplete even. So who knows, maybe "a" government did find a way to control the minds of it's people, and modify weather... I think that'd pretty cool. However it does not have to have a direct connection to HAARP, or any other program being ran by any other government.

It doesn't have to be too far fetched to think that governments regardless of their location and of which people they govern over aren't in some way running their own very secret, and to public speculation very advanced technology and/or research programs.

A lot of technologies that were more advanced than the time's they existed in weren't made public until years after they were initially used. Some are even still used to this day. We can only stay in a certain technological age for so long until something the government might be doing is either made public, or is created by someone else in the public.

There's even a project in which many independent companies are trying to build one of the first commercial space liners.

Can you imagine? I can.

The conspiracy theories surrounding HAARP and many other programs that aren't in full description to the public just ignites the imagination. Some people do get carried away with what they think they believe to be true. Like someone else said, governments as well as public can spread misinformation. They can intentionally try to push something by firstly pushing false information to gain or engage in something. Having skepticism though in both public and government is a good way to think on your own and then formulate your own opinion with the information provided by both parties.

Some technologies did come from once very secretive and still secretive locations today. Sometimes making a connection such as that like saying, well... an advanced jet technology aircraft came out of a secret base that was once thought to not exist. Since it does and we've known these aircrafts to come from this once secretive base thats still secretive, we can only speculate what might be going on there today...

So many explanations of things exist simply to frighten the imagination. It's not to say they are incorrect, but they might not be. There could be just as much possibility to the idea of a ship that travels between galaxies in a few minutes or hours. Maybe we have that? Maybe we don't. Science is definitely pushing the limits of reality, and reality is definitely being rethought.

Maybe governments want us to think they have such technologies.... When they might not. :\ I have a desire for truth to... but I doubt all truth will come in my lifetime.

Edited by: Eugene-C

HAARP was crazy. I mean, dancers dangling on balloons?! O.o

Oh wait, wrong thing.

Eugene, many words of truth, I can say that... ;-)

Well, anyway, we can predict and estimate what gov't has. And I suspect they own UFOs... there are too many reports by police officers and other people who 1) don't get cash or anything of value for such reports, 2) feared or fear of being ridiculed, humiliated or lose a job because of making such a report (we exclude drunk people, etc.)...

... and still there are many people who reported UFOs against their common sense. Impossible. British National Archives have many such reports.
It's impossible there isn't an UFO flying around somewhere. But who owns them? Extraterrestrials? No, I dare say it's owned by HUMANS... but so secret, almost nobody knows about them.

Back to HAARP.
It has a relatively high level of security, and it's placed in a remote place even if not hidden. We should consider and include these location specs, too. :-)

So to sum it up:
+ security on a relatively high level
+ remote, far from any bigger human activity or towns/cities (Alaska)
- not hidden (underground, etc.)

Its location can be influenced also by the kind of technology it could use. But I'd need to research more to find out if it could be fired from the underground.

Edited by: feillyne

Sigma wrote: knocking down aircraft/Satellites is also possible, the weapon is called missiles :p

Don't forget about EMP weapons.

Someone wrote: There's even a project in which many independent companies are trying to build one of the first commercial space liners.

There is the x prize foundation, which is running a contest for the first commercial space flight prototype, and then there is the billionaire Virgin Records owner Richard Branson, working on his own space flight prototype.

Someone wrote: And what about a country rich and big as USA? Secret budget? UFOs as their OWN secret aircraft (no extraterrestials)?

As I recall from a program I watched on History Channel one time, the US did start using UFOs as cover for their top secret X-## aircraft when doing testing to throw off the Soviet's and other nations during the cold war.

Edited by: Spector

Hmm, forgot to add "possibly capable of knocking down aircraft/sats w/o any visible effects", missiles (+ explosions) are pretty obvious. ;-)

Hmmm, EMPs, AFAIK, aren't visible.

Spector wrote:

Sigma wrote: knocking down aircraft/Satellites is also possible, the weapon is called missiles :p

Don't forget about EMP weapons. ...

I never understood how EMP weapons would work effectively ... Because I can counter your EMP with a metal box ... Your computer, your car's ECU, and pretty much all delicate electrical systems are in a metal container ...

It might knock out some cheap ass electronics, but its not going to effectively kill an army's effectiveness to communicate and/or transport

Maybe i don't fully understand what an EMP is ... but im pretty sure that an effective Faraday's cage would make your best EMP weapon useless

As for HAARP ... never heard of it >_> <_< ...

I think over the years, with consideration to how much military technology has been, and is still being developed. The US, Russian, Chinese and whatever governments you can think of are most likely, and most probably trying very hard to work on weapons that push the boundaries of known reality. That is what a lot of weapons have done over the years.

I personally am looking forward to nano-technology.

Technologies we have today can be used to benefit a people, but they can just as easily be used for the destruction of others.

Edited by: Eugene-C

Assaultman67 wrote:

Spector wrote:

Sigma wrote: knocking down aircraft/Satellites is also possible, the weapon is called missiles :p

Don't forget about EMP weapons. ...

I never understood how EMP weapons would work effectively ... Because I can counter your EMP with a metal box ... Your computer, your car's ECU, and pretty much all delicate electrical systems are in a metal container ...

It might knock out some cheap ass electronics, but its not going to effectively kill an army's effectiveness to communicate and/or transport

Maybe i don't fully understand what an EMP is ... but im pretty sure that an effective Faraday's cage would make your best EMP weapon useless

As for HAARP ... never heard of it >_> <_< ...

You need more than a car's frame to make a faraday cage. Most of the world isn't shielded. Most of the US army isn't shielded. The chances of running into the effect in the field is basically nill. It's not cost-effective when the easiest way to cause an EMP is a nuke.

HAARP isnt a new thing, Nicolas Tesla studied it in 1890, in fact he was the father to those eletric things even EMP and was trying to distribute electricity all over the globe by transmission, like in CellPhones.

But one thing is for certainly HAARP consumes a humongous amount of energy.

Russian HAARP

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I remember thinking that the Haiti earthquakes might have been caused, or even somewhat caused, by this or something like it.

Sigh i hate conspiracy theories although watching them on youtube for a laugh is ok

DNAz wrote: Sigh i hate conspiracy theories although watching them on youtube for a laugh is ok

Brainwashed by mass media? ^^ Haha. Conspiracy theories are theories, and as such, they can be partially true and partially false; they can be completely true or completely false; they can contain some serious evidence or serious experiments or serious bullshit.

So either way if you diss so-called conspiracy theories just because Media told you to do so, you are brainwashed.

And there are some serious 'conspiracy facts'. Declassified docs like Operation Northwoods, Operation Ajax, Operation Gladio... just to name few.

And people who gone nuts, will either believe them without question or debunk them just for the fun with untrue realistic reasons or faked evidence or completely wrong knowledge or a wrong take.
But to a serious person, these documents show how gov'ts can be nasty.

Also debunk WTC7. I don't ask you to say anything about WTC1 or WTC2. Just WTC7. Even then, you can't say anything, unless you're an engineer... and an engineer could tell you something about it.

Conspiracy theories are theories

I allways have to think about a saying.."It works....In THEORIE" :p
but yeah, i usualy don't believe them, not because mass media tells me we live in happy fluffy land, but because most of them are so farfetched that they just come off as lies/attention whores :p

Sigma wrote: I allways have to think about a saying.."It works....In THEORIE" :p
but yeah, i usualy don't believe them, not because mass media tells me we live in happy fluffy land, but because most of them are so farfetched that they just come off as lies/attention whores :p

Yeah, making a 'discovery' an attention whore is their main problem and they don't look at it this way. PR replaces stream of evidence. ;-)
Anyway, they have some damn good points. But there are too much zeal and too much pushing some 'truths' on people, making them sound much less reasonable.

Getting back to HAARP (again), I'd like to test that 'enhanced' MP3 player. ;-) Could be fun if it worked as they said it did/does.

You know, some times I just don't want to know half of these supposed " truths ". As interesting as I usually find most of these topics, some days it's all just too much. The friggin' ( private and world ) medias are so hyper focused on presenting topics in a format designed to initiate and perpetuate debate that it just makes me sigh in disgust. I mean, hell, there's plenty enough to try to keep sorted out in your own home on a daily basis that requires our attention.

Edited by: jjawinte

Yup, that's why a disbelieving attitude helps. ;-) Anyway, I disbelieve gov'ts more than these things... meaning, I disbelieve all of them, more or less. So for me, this isn't a problem - one just needs to ignore the asserted seriousness of anything, to keep oneself quite sane.

That means both gov't's and conspiracy theories' truths. They're both the same... they just differentiate in the scope. Sometimes, I think, these conspiracy theorists would make 'good' (i.e. lying, falsely promising, much self-advertising) politicians.

But the reality remains - lies are more convenient and more reasonable, and the world presented by mass media is based mostly on lies and unverified sources. (Sorry, but I really see too many news based on no evidence, having no footnotes, no appropriate sources indicated, and even if they are there, they either weren't read that close or were read really TOO close).

One word to summarize the truly invaluable core element of this world wide practice to those in power Feillyne; " Misdirection ".

It's been tried and true for millennia and still stands as the subtlest and most effective form of control. Whether it's applied to an individual or millions, it works wonderfully. ( It's the same as when you pretend to throw the ball for your dog, but don't and by the time he realizes it, stops running and turns back, your laughing your ass off at him. ) Call it spinning, wagging the dog or plain old lying, it's all the same. When doubts form into a unified group who express them, you simply add another layer...and another...and another, until either complete exasperation or exhaustion sends them off to the next topic of interest.

The kicker is that the layers are so deep now that no one can say, with absolute conviction, what is or isn't true because our hard learned cynicism. Each item of information we receive now is automatically processed through a filter of reasonable plausibility, wary skepticism, plain doubt and on a good day, cautious optimism. With the exception of those people who chose to forgo all this and take it on good faith that all is just as it seems so they can sleep easier, no one at all is quite sure what's going on for sure anymore. And it couldn't be better for them because we need them. The machine must continue to run ! Even when trust, faith and respect are lost, their efforts become even more efficient and effective.

Thankfully, we have the web, where countless groups of like minded citizens are able to join together to voice their opinions, grievances and theories in whatever manner they chose....where they can conveniently monitor it.

Edited by: jjawinte