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Calling out to all Battlestar Galactica modders!!! (Forums : General Banter : Calling out to all Battlestar Galactica modders!!!) Locked
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Oct 6 2011, 1:18pm Anchor

Hi everyonne!

I'm starting this thread in the hopes of all of you with BSG mods wiped from the face of ModDB joining into the discussion here.

First of all: I was shocked and saddened when i got the message from ModDB admins that our mod, the Nexus BSG mod is being pulled due to copyright claims of NBC Universal. This we cannot fight, these are the terms of ModDB, and we are making our projects based on NBCU's intellectual property.

The only way for us to get our projects back on track is for NBCU to authorise us to do so. To make this happen, i would like to ask you to write emails to NBCU, in hopes of someone noticing us, and maybe, starting a dialog with them. To achieve this, my first step was to write an email to Brian Steel, Senior Vice President of Public Relations at NBCU. I know, the chance of him actually reading my email is slim, but we have to try.

If you want to keep your projects alive, you can find contact info to NBCU here:
Nbcuni.com

The only way they will let us keep going if we make our case. Politely and with logic. We need someone to notice us.

We are doing this on a non-profit base, for the benefit of everyone, and they need to know that. I would like to make our efforts centralised as much as we can, so let's use this thread as a little campaign "base".

Thanks of reading, and I hope many of you find this thread

SoulAssassino

Oct 6 2011, 1:36pm Anchor

It wasn't just Nexus BSG, either. Every single mod that had anything to do with BSG (Diaspora, Fleet Commander, etc) were ALL removed from ModDB - this was some 20-odd free, non-profit mods made by fans, that NBC shut down.

Marchello
Marchello Taurus group member
Oct 6 2011, 1:43pm Anchor

I personaly leave this on you Matt... you can get better polyte massage together for those fuc*ers then i can... i will just wait for any responde from NBC and also will be prepared for storming any product that NBC will or has made....
in short: reporting for duty...

Oct 6 2011, 2:19pm Anchor

I myself could use a polite massage! ;)

Oct 6 2011, 10:34pm Anchor

I find it surprising that like 20 bsg mods got shut down and none of those teams have come in here to post :\

Oct 7 2011, 2:35am Anchor

You would have thought they would have bigger things to do than pull free mods and indies based around BSG. Unless of course they're trying to protect their new BSG point and click online game which requires payment for a lot of ingame items and any sort of real progression.

Oct 7 2011, 2:46am Anchor

The BSGO game is pretty much a big pile of crap, I used to play the open beta months ago and I was basically the same as all the other Bigpoint games, to get anywhere you either have to farm for hours on end or buy into their packages, Its main focus is on PvP and as far as I know the storyline is basically an afterthought. If they were that bothered about their intellectual property, they would have released a decent game years ago at the height of BSG's popularity.

To me this action smacks of desperation, as the money boat for the franchise is running a little thin as 'officailly' interest dwindles

Edited by: chulaksaviour

Dwarden
Dwarden Major minion of Bohemia Interactive empire
Oct 7 2011, 4:28am Anchor

irony is that these free mods and games were actually helping NBC build the community ...

but it leaves another question to modDB team
as there are mods available for years, from many sci-fi universes
e.g. StarTrek, StarWars, StarGate, Babylon 5 etc.

where the content was made from scratch ...
are they going to vanish too ? cause that would be sort of end of modDB

Edited by: Dwarden

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Ideas are like ocean w/o borders ...

Oct 7 2011, 6:52am Anchor

As long as the copyright owners don't mind, mods based on inverses like Stargate, B5, or Warhammer can exist and be happy.

NBCU was full well within their rights to shut down these projects based on their intellectual property unfortunately.

Oct 7 2011, 7:52am Anchor
SoulAssassino wrote:As long as the copyright owners don't mind, mods based on inverses like Stargate, B5, or Warhammer can exist and be happy.


Exactly true, I run an Advance Wars fan project, similar projects exist and Nintendo haven't had any problems as of now because:

1) It's free
2) It doesn't compete with any upcoming or recent Nintendo product 
3) Everything is credited and linked where due.

I imagine that's all we can really do to give ourselves at least some good standing.

Oct 7 2011, 2:22pm Anchor

WEll i run scifi at war, and they wont restore it till i remove all other IP from it, so that more or less means the end of SFAW on moddb

Oct 7 2011, 3:19pm Anchor

How abot we just move all of this to a chineese site that doesen't give a crap about IP laws? :P

Oct 7 2011, 6:15pm Anchor

Personally I vote for us all to boycott NBC those idiots can't see past their profit margins far enough to see a little fact AND that is fan base rules everything. You want to make more fans bring out quality products, in NBC''s case they ain't brought out nothing and I mean nothing dealing with the current BSG universe it's all been TOS Battlestar and that's discounting BSGO for which I play. I believe and this is my whole hearted opinion is they are biting the hands that are feeding them. These mods were bringing in fans that missed out on the show during it's runs they see that the ships look interesting see the name look it up on Youtube or google or even Wikipedia. They if their interest is peaked after looking it up buy DVD's/Blue Ray of the seasons and the plan. Voila what does that equal money in their pockets money in their pockets they can then use to fund other projects they wish to pursue which include the upcoming Blood and Chrome series they want to put out.

Oct 7 2011, 8:22pm Anchor
SoulAssassino wrote:First of all: I was shocked and saddened when i got the message from ModDB admins that our mod, the Nexus BSG mod is being pulled due to copyright claims of NBC Universal. This we cannot fight, these are the terms of ModDB, and we are making our projects based on NBCU's intellectual property.

At least you got a message! All I got was "Where's Diaspora gone?"

Oct 7 2011, 10:28pm Anchor

Reporting for Duty! I'm not sure what else we could be doing other than protesting NBC. The problem there is how? Also Washuluver87 is completely right in that we are the hand that feeds them, especially when it comes to BSG which has been down on the fan lvl since the end of BSG re imagined or Caprica for that matter. There needs to be a way for us to make a legitimate claim to NBC.

Oct 8 2011, 6:21am Anchor

This makes no sense to me. Remove all the mods based on some IP from moddb, you lose half the moddb. I mean, just run a search on it for terms like "star wars", "star trek", etc.. I fail to understand what does anyone have to gain by pulling a bunch of non profit mods off a modding site. As a member of the Diaspora team, however, right now I am mostly disappointed in the moddb staff that not only failed to inform us that they are taking down our pages and why, they also failed to respond to our inquiry about it for more than 24 hours. That is just completely unprofessional. I see their admins are doing an excellent job of avoiding this thread, too..

Edited by: newman1702

Oct 8 2011, 10:22am Anchor

I didn't get a reply from NBC yet. I will copy in the email i wrote them, you guys can copy it, change the name and start emailing all available nbc contacts.

Oct 8 2011, 1:21pm Anchor

Yes, one thing we do not want to do is be angry and rude with the NBC officials. I'm hoping we can all come to an agreement of some kind. A friend of mine works on BSGOnline and he told me they were told of an unanmed BSG project that was being shut down by NBCU because they didn't ask for permission...obviously that extended well past the ONE project. However, if we ask for permission nicely, perhaps adhere to a few guidelines then we can continue their development. But if we're anything but polite and courteous about it, those chances will disappear.

Oct 8 2011, 1:24pm Anchor

Agreed.

jstubbles, can you ask your friend to contact someone higher up? Or at least send our email to someone who will actually read it?

Oct 8 2011, 1:44pm Anchor

Soul, I can certainly try. While BigPoint has to dance to NBCU's song and has no direct control over anything - I'm sure they may have easier access to those that do. Can you email me a completed version of the letter to you sent out to NBC reps? vassago5k@gmail.com 

Thanks,

Oct 8 2011, 3:49pm Anchor

Sure, i'll send you a copy, just have a read through and change the names.

Marchello
Marchello Taurus group member
Oct 9 2011, 5:38am Anchor

any updates from nbc or anyone else?

Oct 9 2011, 8:32am Anchor

Certainly not from ModDB! I STILL haven't gotten anything explaining why they removed Diaspora.

Oct 9 2011, 10:41am Anchor

I only just found this thread now and by having to search through google. I have been helping/assisting and modding for the fleet commander mod.

As a fan and modder I can tell you that I purchased the whole of the BSG seasons and razor movie. I even introduced (conservatively) about 20 other people to BSG and they liked it - for the NBC bean counters how does +2000% purely from just 1 persons word of mouth sound?

I'm certain of those 20 people (so maybe in excess of +5000%), at least some of them who had never heard of the series then told others. Word of mouth through personal recommendation is a powerful tool. It was because I was passionate about the series... and that unfortunately is what I call biting the hand that feeds you.

TKAzA
TKAzA Community Manager
Oct 9 2011, 2:24pm Anchor

I wasn't aware of this issue, however moddb's stance is always to uphold the copyright holders rights, if you choose to make fanArt you choose to put yourself and your teams hard work in the firing line of the licencor of that IP.
I'm sorry to hear so many bsg mods have had to be removed due to this, i'm guessing with the release of BSG online a main reason for NBC to do this is, to bottle neck fans to playing due to lack of other choice.

newman1702 wrote:This makes no sense to me. Remove all the mods based on some IP from moddb, you lose half the moddb. I mean, just run a search on it for terms like "star wars", "star trek", etc.. I fail to understand what does anyone have to gain by pulling a bunch of non profit mods off a modding site. As a member of the Diaspora team, however, right now I am mostly disappointed in the moddb staff that not only failed to inform us that they are taking down our pages and why, they also failed to respond to our inquiry about it for more than 24 hours. That is just completely unprofessional. I see their admins are doing an excellent job of avoiding this thread, too..

To address your concerns.

ModDB is not just BSG fans, get real we were round long before the re envisioned series.
It states in our terms of use and when you make a profile, you can't breach copyright, we will allow people to upload fanArt however if the IP owner asks us to remove them, we will, would you rather a few mods go or the whole site?

I'm a admin, have been for a long time and only found out about this from this thread, i stand by the staffs actions as it's the law and we don't need to justify ourselves due to this.
 
Protest as much as you want, as a avid BSG fan i support you but don't go badmouthing staff doing their job.

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