Project overview: Tiberium Secrets is a total overhaul mod set in a parallel universe to the Command and Conquer canon. It introduces three new factions that can stand in conjunction and potentially independent from the others within the Command and Conquer Tiberium universe. These new factions come complete with diverse units, structures, mechanics, and lore. Players will take command of a shadowy human faction intent on ensuring the survival of its species without concern for red tape or ideologies, a biological experiment turned hunter of their creators, and an artificial intelligence believing itself to be the next evolution of humanity. Comparatively minor, but fundamental changes will also be made to the original factions.

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Plans for ending the mod are given in this update Along with future plans.

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Plans for ending the mod are given in this update


Ending the project

It's with a heavy heart that I tell you all that Tiberium Secrets as we know it will be ending. This was a tough decision, but with low support, low morale, low participation, and few team members, we decided that it would be best for all involved if we ended the project. We will support what we have done so far, and we will work to develop a few things for the original factions, but there will not be a full development of Colony and Dream 51. We scoped too big,and these factions are effectively canceled. We do however reserve the right to put them in a stand alone RTS that we may attempt in the future. (No promises though.)

This decision was also made because the leadership are getting older, and life and priorities change. We simply can not be working for free for much longer. Our future plans include making an indie game of significantly smaller scope and selling it. This project has gone for 7-8 years and it's been quite a journey. We've had our ups and downs, our triumphs and our challenges. We simply could not have done it without all of you in the community and all the ~50 team members that have come to us throughout the years.

We will be releasing some of our internal files, and will be doing some changes to the original factions. but that is it.




GeneralJist signing out.

“For those with drive, and for those who endure, they shall be bonded forevermore.”

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(Co-founder, Managing Partner, and producer)


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Machine-Reaper
Machine-Reaper

yeah, good riddance, had enough of this sham of a mod claiming to be as big as a Company rather then just a mod at least.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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Awful comment no matter how you may legitimate it.

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Machine-Reaper
Machine-Reaper

this mod hasn't show any progress except for artwork and concepts taken from artists, for years I have seen nothing but this and then suddenly the devs starts uploading pics about his trip to some comic con thing as Mod Media...seriously are we expecting this?

and lets not forget he even has a Pateron account which he asks you to donate at for mod development, this obviously seems like a ruse to get some money out of a fake development of a mod that has nothing to show.

as I said before, its like a Pyramid Scheme of a Mod that is going no where and I am very happy it has finally ended.

even 14 year old kids can develop good mods that they can show off pretty good and even get paid/donated for rightfully if they ask compared to this fake mod.

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Capt_Polak
Capt_Polak

I hope you find peace in your life so you may come to appreciate other peoples efforts, Machine-Reaper :)

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

1. The art work was done for the team or a previous team. It was not "taken" from anywhere.
2. We had a release in April of this year.... what do you mean you wait for years to see nothing?
3. The conference is known as the Game developers conference (GDc) where game developers from around the world and from around the industry gather. It's known as the premier event for game development.
4. The patreon is for the community to show support for past and continued developments. youtubers have patreons and few have issue with that. Remember, your getting all this content for free. We simply wanted to see how many of you would support our developments. If the patreon was moderately successful we wouldn't be ending the project so soon. WE Are All Volunteers.
5. Your assertion that we are a "fake mod" only makes sense if we were masquerading as an indie project. There is nothing fake about the work we do.
6.WE are a company to manage Intellectual property rights, that's it. And for future goals.
7. We've accomplished a lot, and it's sad people like you choose not to see that.
8.14 year old would no have been able to approach the quality we have,no chance.

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Retsaki
Retsaki

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Machine-Reaper, are you high? This mod was the effort of over 30 people. It's not the creator of the mod's fault that he couldn't find developers that had a lot of free time to spare for developing the mod. Also, as someone who contributed to the mod in the past, I politely request you to **** off.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

A very gracious thing to do that you plan to release your internal files. Good luck with your future endeavors.

It happens to the best of us. Monumental projects, 7 years later they land in development hell.

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Capt_Polak
Capt_Polak

Its a shame but it seems theres no choice. Thank you for trying though, I look forward to your future developments and hope they workout :D

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

Machine Reaper may have gone too far with the tone of his post, but I agree with his general sentiment. I know making a post like this is straight-up disrespectful given the context of this article, but I feel there is an injustice here that needs to be addressed.

So I will just share my experience with the mod. Some time ago, I receive a PM from one of the members of this team. The summary of the message is that since I was a long-time watcher of the mod, that team member wanted to know if I was interested in beta testing the mod. Of course, I immediately said yes, at the time I was really interested in the mod, based on the updates and videos shown so far. But then the team member replied, "ok, all you have to do know is be active in the community, then we'll see about letting you in." I was shocked. What kind of requirement is that? So all I had won was a chance at being a tester?

I tried, of course, when new updates came I left my comments. I quickly learned, however, that it was an impossible condition, as the devs seem to only be replying to the same 3 people who were giving it nothing but praises, and were ignoring everyone else's comments, especially the ones that had criticism in it. I quickly realized what kind of team this was, and wanted no part in it, and finally unfollowed it after tracking it for several years.

The GDC selfies, excel sheet screenshots, and weird side story updates did nothing to change my mind.

So yeah as rude as it is, I do agree with machine reaper's sentiment, that you guys, at least in some part, got what you deserved. Perhaps your intent was not to masquerade as an indie game, but that is definitely what it felt like to me, and probably many others.

You have made quite a lot of things, whether those were things of quality is debatable.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

I got that mail too. Took a quick look at the mod, didn't particularly interest me, so I let it be.

I really don't get why you all act now like they hurt you in some way or there being something worthy of condemning. Its quite creepy how one is happy over someone failing at finishing his mod.

Then again it does not surprise me the C&C modding community has always been a very elitist bunch of jealous elitists.

I mean so what they made some selfies at GDC Moddb.com big deal?

Then again this line here:
(Co-founder, CEO, and Executive producer)

Is just so pretentious. You're not a game development studio. You're a bunch of modders that "work" in their free time on some funny mod. OK maybe I get it now they overdid it a bit with the pretentiousness and that alienated some people. I still don't see the need to to write that kind of negative remarks.

Now Patreon is another story. That will definitely one day destroy modding. You can't charge money for stuff and no you are not allowed to make money by modding either. The excuse that you're not directly paying for access doesn't matter in the slightest. Money flows. Money should NOT flow in modding. I may have double standards towards people living in a warzone/war thorn country.

There's good reasons why EA and everyone else keeps pointing out that Mods absolutely have to be non financial products. Its a hobby.

And then there's 25$ per month subscription service on Patreon like LOL GTFO.

I am getting the feeling you're not actually speaking your mind. You're ****** off over them wanting to make a living by modding.

What an idiotic move by them indeed.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

I Think asking for moderate activity on the page is a reasonable request...Ad that PM had to do with Tiberiian Eclipse...
We listen to all feedback, it;snot our fault there are some voices that are louder than others.

Iknow you guys want to see mod progress over event converge, and if we and mod progress, we would have shown it.

Upon reflection, it might have been a somewhat impossible standard, because those active people had set such a high standard that it was difficult to match it. Look,I gave them all closed testing status, it had to be fair to some degree.

I'm sorry if you felt wronged some how. I didn;t know you felt this way, now it;s too late to do anything about it.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

If you give your fans something to talk about, they will naturally be more active.

Also, there's nothing wrong with showing event footage, just maybe save that for your own profile, and not the mod profile. If you have nothing to show, then don't show anything and keep working.

It may be too late for this mod, but it's something to think about for your future projects.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

ya, but if you had an issue with me and how i did things in 2015, I have to wait 4 years to hear about it...
Noe of you said you had issues before....

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

Admittedly, I should have tried harder to reach you back then, but I was discouraged over how my comments were ignored. I was also dealing with problems with my own projects back then.

Also, your page is pretty difficult to navigate, with all the pinned articles and stuff. I wasn't sure where to post, most of the time.

I did think about PMing you, but at the time it felt like it was too much.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

"None of you said you had issues before...."

I'm pretty sure I've read some comments about issues even before the GDC pics update, but yeah, your page is pretty difficult to navigate, cause you post several articles and images at the same time. It took me a while to find my old comments just now.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

A 10+ year PR manager & Lead writer,(As of November 2010), spanning "Tiberian Eclipse" (Co lead) and "Tiberium secrets" (Project Coordinator/ Producer), for Command & Conquer 3: Tiberium Wars. A 3 year former 200+ member World of Tanks Clan, Co-founder, Staff officer (Recruitment manager), Diplomat for the "102ND Multigaming community." and co-founder of "Community Battlecast Primetime".

BA: Psychology & Social Behavior, AS: General Studies Science, AA: Psychology.

Dude this is not only borderline ip theft its also borderline fraud.

If anybody asks me I am the queen of England.

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kr-valera
kr-valera

I can tell that you're not the Queen of England. I don't even think that she'll use devices like we have.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

"I really don't get why you all act now"

I can't speak for everyone, but in my case, I was waiting just in case things turned around, the mod had already survived for a long time after all. And now here we are.

"Then again it does not surprise me the C&C modding community has always been a very elitist bunch of jealous elitists."

I will not deny this.

"Then again this line here:
(Co-founder, CEO, and Executive producer)"

Yeah, basically that.

EDIT: Strange, I thought I set this up as a reply to OrangeNero Oh well.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

Must have been a hickup on the servers since we are both posting.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

Let me bet GeneralJist you milked people for 7 years on Patreon and now that there is no one left paying you enough cash to bother you dropped it?

There's this thing people call a camwhore I guess if this is true (its just an assumption so far) then that would make you a modwhore.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

sigh,
no
We had set up the patron just last year or so. As for my titles, we are a company. We strive to be as professional as possible. you guys didn’t much like Project coordinator / producer Pr lead, lead writer either. Now that it's basically over you guys want to play arm chair quarterback. No one ever complained to me about my titles before now.

And as for my background on my profile page. believe me or not, but it’s true. It's not that hard to find me and my work and realize it's true. It’s not like I’m claiming to be rich…

Regardless,we are ending because we scoped too big,and not really because of anyone in the community, If we were EA we would blame all of you for not supporting us enough.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

No no no no no no no

You are not a company. I get the impression you're a well educated dude who maybe even went to university or at least community college.

You should totally know what a company is. You are NOT a company.

All these titles and **** is part of the sharade that you built up to come across as professional and then you wanted to make MONEY with that fake professionality.

You are not a CEO. You are not a PR manager. You are not a lead writer. You are not a Project coordinator.

YOU DON'T HAVE A JOB HERE.
You may very well have a job in your other part/time of live but this is not your job.

A Job is when you get PAID.

A company has to sell something or provide a paid service.

The joke is that you openly declare that you SELL your mod and its contend in a subscription based service.

Dude, not only EA but even ModDB is obliged to crack you down man.

You can't sell mods. You can't sell fandom and you can't sell artwork. You need licences for that.

And by the way the price is ridiculous. 25$ per month for some ****** lore text that took you 20 minutes to come up with and some artwork that looks like its painted over some Overwatch skin.

no no no no don't try to fool us here.

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Zeke_Dlyoung
Zeke_Dlyoung

I think you are going way too far now, my friend

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

NO!

You do NOT charge 25$ on Patreon effectively abusing Patreon as a store front to buy mods for your new version of your mod. I know the arguemnt is that you're not paying to get something but you pay to show support. Thats a circumvention. You are effectively paying to get something and its clearly written what you get.

This is illegal. its against the rules. It quite honestly makes you a borderline criminal.

i know this isn't the same kind of crime like beating up an old woman and then stealing her purse no, but its the kind of crime like going to pirate bay and pirating.

You can't sell your mod. Period. Steam attempted it, and they had licences and agreements. Bethesda attempted it. They had licences and agreements too!

At this point I wouldn't be surprised if the next mod that shows up comes with lootboxes.

Dude seriously if the EA legal team becomes aware of this he could end up having lawyers knocking at his door. 2K did it with GTAV.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

I think you’re the one who is confused.
The patreon is a voluntary thing, there are no pay walls. There are no pay X get X in return.
It's a thing to demonstrate you support what is going on, and that you want the work to continue.
If this is some sort of scam pyramid scheme, it's a poorly run one. Which it’s not. I'm sure that you would agree that making mods is more difficult than making a video. Then why are you willing to pay a youtuber patreon? and not a mod/ game patreon. If we were a standalone game, we'd be selling our work.
It takes hours to come up with a story or make a piece of art. here, we’re asking for $25 a month. That breaks down to $0.15625 an hour. Artists make on average $25 an hour.

And yes, we are a company. We are a registered LLC with the state of California, registered in oct 2017.
Volunteer jobs are volunteer jobs. If you volunteer at a soup kitchen or a crisis hotline or a volunteer firefighter, wherever. It's still a job. Just because you’re a volunteer doesn't mean it’s somehow less important. It's just that the motivation is different.

Project Coordinator coordinates a project. I've gotten paid jobs with my background. I've held the role of project coordinator twice in meat space.
Debating the worth of my role to you is pointless. Sure. If it was a paid job that be better. But most hobby jobs are not. Indie company CEOs are CEOs, weather they call themselves that is their business.
Waiting around to only do somethign if your get a paid is a foolish way to live a life.
I’ve looked at job descriptions and I try to match what I do as a passion to those job descriptions.
Also FYI, Intense! Already knows of our Patron, he is one of our patrons.
During my discussion with him at the last GDC he thinks that paid mods will become more of a thing.
Debating what is and isn’t a job with you is a long process, and I can do it if you really want me to.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

$5
PER MONTH
All members will receive early access to art and narrative lore Along with all previous tier benefits.

$25
PER MONTH
All members will receive a special role and channel on discord, and will also receive special acknowledgement in our credits. They will also get all previous tier benefits.


I guess you perfected crowd funding then huh. Kickstarter without a funding goal.

When you volunteer then you are a volunteer. You do a task.

The very definition of a job is that you're employed to do work and get paid for it.

Also you don't pay the volunteer at the soup kitchen who's task it is to provide you with soup to receive the soup earlier. Neither can you give him more money to receive an extra portion.

If you really are a registered company then you got crazy legal problems heading your way. The way ip works in the USA is that companies who hold an ip have to enforce it. When others start to make stuff with that ip and they don't crack you down then EA could even lose the ip.

Look I don't wish you harm but this is a dangerous thing.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

There is no debating over what is a job and what isn't. There's a clear definition and people who are pretenders that try to make arguments.

You know why a ******* is called *******? Because a ****** gives you one for money. When your wife gives you one for free it should actually be called Blowtask but that ain't got a sexy ring to it.

One could argue the "job" is on the house lol.

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kr-valera
kr-valera

You are already dead, mate... No wonder everyone hates you. You really don't understand everything on what's going on with their lives.

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Fandore Creator
Fandore

wow the sheer idiocracy to this comment made me respond, wow, just wow. let me clear things up for you.

1) we did not nor ever intended on selling anything for a "mod" patreon is a DONATION page only we set up and continued to release our work to the public in good faith. all our completed assets were released in its full form and can be found on the downloads page.

2) we never made any money in development and even spent our own money sourcing out contracts for some work when needed so what you are saying is absolutely absurd. it takes a lot of work to make a faction from start to finish without using any assets that are given. all art done is 100% custom and even some code was redone as best as possible without breaking EULA.

3) we are a registered company (Honor Games LLC) it is illegal to state such a thing less you have gone through all the needed paper work to form a proper company,and can be found in the California registered businesses under the small businesses section. we are a new business and part of the reason we are closing down is due to that. we will no longer have the time to develop a free project while developing a new IP all together hints the patreon. that was there for anyone willing to help finish the assets and prep them for game placement. not for personal gain, as stated above, none of us personally made anything off the mod and everything we have done we went over with people who had contacts within the IP holders hands. no one forced us to shut down nor at anytime where we threatened. you clearly don't understand game design as to how IP works but i assure you, all our factions are 100% our work.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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https://youtu.be/QXQjx49JH7A

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

https://youtu.be/QXQjx49JH7A

Interesting how these embeded videos and the mention feature break in here.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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Oh and don't worry, keep whatever money you made with this. I find it quite funny if anyone was dumb enough to pay 25$ a month. If someone deliberately spent 25$ on this then he deserves to have 25$ less in his pocket and you deserve 25$ more in your pocket.

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The_splat
The_splat

This sort of "FAN" is why modding is slowly but surely dying.
I agree OrangeNero they should take action and mute you for a month.
Should be quite the lesson in online manners.

Many people spent quite a lot of time making this mod.
I have decided to return briefly to offer my thanks to all the team members involved in making this mod.
Especially , Seth , John( Commiedog) , Mat , Eric and many others.

I have watched over the years how much time and efforts were put into not only the mod but modding this engine in particular.

They started out with a leader the knew inside and out more then most modders(of this engine) could. Things got featured on youtube and a small crew joined including Eric, sadly this led to high expectations and Seth lost enthusiasm for the project, he noticed Eric still had heart to complete it so told him to take the reigns.
At that time many people thought the mod died.
Fact is without Eric and Mat the mod would have.
They spent at least 2 years in meetings and Skype calls to learn more and train people.
Many came , more then a few including myself left.
Teaching new people found by Eric, Mat would apply strict model standards.
They trained a few up and helped discuss modelling issues and exporting problems.
The retraining and readvertising for help was dedication that was largely responsible for the acquisition of john's help to get coding done.
Meetings there were many meetings usually on Skype with screen sharing and lots of learning involved.
Months passed years passed many were trained to disappear / reappear on other projects.

I got sick and had to leave , others joined and the show went on.
They finally produced a public playable version with reduced content.
More plans were made extravagant plans that may have incurred costs so they produced a sponsorship button : this is what people seem to be offended about ?
seriously ?
You get that things like mocap and actors for better animations ect cost money right people ? not saying you had to sponsor them but damn you actually think its about cash at this stage after a decade ?
There is literally thousands of things that could be bought to help a mod.

However even if it only went into one account the problem is not yours to comment on UNLESS you worked on the mod or are actively working for EA and aiming to lose them money by making enemies for sums that likely don't add up past petty cash for the canteen.

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Machine-Reaper
Machine-Reaper

corporate shenanigans ensued as they say.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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Your pride is making you blind. You are selling your mod for 25$ and its about time somebody calls you out on it. This word "voluntarily" is your excuse, your circumvention.

Yeah people don't have to pay money to ultimately get your mod but you're selling early versions. You're also selling C&C artwork again illegal and you're selling C&C stories that you write again illegal.

The C&C ip is EA property. You can't just go and feel funny and make your own business with C&C.

Oh and I would love to hear you elaborate on how I am killing modding. If anything people like YOU who try to make money by modding are whats gonna kill it.

The only thing that disgusts me more are the modders who encrypt their files so people can't mod their mods. They pull an Origin. Then the same people cry about Generals 2 not being moddable. The same people rip and tear from alpha and beta versions whatever they can.

There is no argument to be had.

It is what it is.

You are selling your mod and you're selling C&C stuff and goodies and you pretend to be making a business out of C&C.

Your efforts are commendable yes, but your practices are not. I do not accuse you of doing these things out of malice. But it is illegal.

Oh and as for online manners. First of all such a thing barely exists second of all I've been civil in this article comment section. You just don't like to hear it. Trying to kill the messenger huh.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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Also dafuq are you doing MOCAP for? if you want to make a mod that rivals AAA quality then this will shut you down as well. because when people rather play your mod than a new game that will not win you favors. At that point you are threatening the finances of the actual developers and publishers.

You modders need to realize that if you start to become too good at what you do, your non financial products will start to rival financial products and that will backfire.

Halo modding knows that very well.

So the mistake you made was pretending you can make an AAA production mod and then realize you need MONEY for that and well here it comes, making money with it is illegal.

You whine now about making a mod of AAA quality for free not bieng practical/feasible while the point is you shouldn't be making such a mod in the first place.

But hey if you have the spare money in your pockets then go pay actors and artists and people to make A FREE MOD.

Go contact EA and ask them for permission to sell your mod and C&C goodies.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

We are not selling anything.
We are not selling C&C stuff at all.
Everything that your getting is original work. The art and stories of ASI colony and D51 are original works.

We were actually thinking of having some physical goods like a Tiberium Secrets calendar and 3D printing Tib sec stuff. That didn't make the cut because a dpt lead convinced me that physical rewards would be too much of a hassle to get shipped.

I know we are in a grey area. This mod is set in C&C. We have just done such a good job that it melds into it so well that it looks like official work.

And your a fool if you think modding hurts the games industry. Moding is where many of them started it's where inspiration happens It's where passion is king. moding is the life blood of gaming.
Your conventional way of looking at competition just doesn’t apply to games. Mods do not compete with games because they do not preclude you buying the game or a competitors game. Infect, it revitalizes the game’s community by having more longevity.,and people have to buy the games to play the mods.

I bet if you ask most moders if they could make money from moding they would say yes they would want to.

Not allmods are worth paying for, not all mods deserve to be at that point. But a few bucks here and there just goes to help the developer. Why is patreon ok for everything else except game development? It's ok for music, ok for videos, ok for writing. But when you bundle it all up in a game it’s suddenly not ok.

And yes, we are game developers. Not all moders are game developers but a lot of them are. I understand your point that it’s a dangerous grey area of legality. Most mods don't do what we‘ve done. Most don’t take completely original IP and add it to an existing franchise.

Again we have not sold anything. We have not marketed anything. We never claimed that C&C was ours and we want to make money off of it. The franchise setting is just that a setting.

Furthermore, I don't understand why you didn't bring this patreon issue up back in April when we 1st set it up.It’s not like you signed up and want your money back and we won’t give it to you. Your basically saying your outraged that we dare to ask for donations.
In my opinion any mod can make a patreon. Look people on youtube didn’t write the songs they are singing but they are able to have patreons some even sell their music on itunes.
Making a mod is like writing a love letter to the developers. You’re a fool if you think otherwise.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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You know exactly that I am right. It clearly shows. You're attempting to bring up all these pathetic fake arguments to save face. Strawmen even.

You even ignore my context to then argue about a fake context that you created so you can pretend to make a good counter point to what was never my point to begin with.

Like you say that modders can make a Patreon. I never claimed otherwise. Ofc Modders can use Patreon. The problem is you use it as a store. You sell stuff through Patreon.

Listen, I am not your enemy. I am your good friend uncle Nero who tells you that you're doing something wrong. If I was your enemy I'd be contacting EA right now and showing them this so they can sue you and get the money you acquired through their ip.

$5
PER MONTH
All members will receive early access to art and narrative lore Along with all previous tier benefits.

$25
PER MONTH
All members will receive a special role and channel on discord, and will also receive special acknowledgement in our credits. They will also get all previous tier benefits.

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Retsaki
Retsaki

What you don't seem to realize bud, is that it takes actual man hours to do actual work to develop a mod. They don't just magically appear over night. That's why he made a patreon. Developing software, even a mod.. isn't easy and getting quality art/animations for free isn't easy either.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

There were some Animations I had to pay out of pocket for too. You don't hear me bitching about that. Most Animators don't want to work for free.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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@[Retsaki](members:retsaki:314969) you're cute.

Work is paid. This isn't work. Its a task that requires effort. I know people use words these days without having the slightest understanding of things.

Its cute that you think I'd think mods are made with magic.

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braindigitalis2
braindigitalis2

Ok I'll bite, this is such an obvious troll.

5 months late, but to say it isn't work and effort isn't involved is obviously a statement of someone who just plays games and has no concept of what's involved. If you grow vegetables in your garden are they somehow without value because you weren't paid to plant them, water them, harvest them and that you did it all out of your own pocket? If things you don't get paid for have no value I'll have your TV please, your games consoles and your dvds as you don't get paid to watch and play them.

I'm a game developer, not related to this project and ive put ten years of blood sweat and tears into my game (not mod) to release it on steam. I did this in my spare time. Does that mean that somehow people shouldn't be expected to pay for my efforts? I also consider myself a real business and I'm a sole trader. Yes, that's legal in the UK. Look it up.

End of two cents worth.

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CommieDog Creator
CommieDog

OrangeNero, do you have any examples of a major publisher coming after modders for having a Patreon account that included tiers with early access to concept art and mod builds. I'm genuinely curious, and a quick Google search turned up nothing.

As for EA coming after us, I'm not too worried because the paltry sum of money we've made from Patreon probably isn't worth the cost of having one of EA's lawyers file a lawsuit. And if it came to a lawsuit, I'd be fine with just handing everything we've received from Patreon over to EA.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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Would you like to become an example of it? Its a hard thing to search for because google will show all kinds of things with the search words.

https://www.reddit.com/r/SkyrimTogether/comments/auifde/is_it_true_that_this_mod_could_be_taken_down_by/

https://gamefaqs.gamespot.com/boards/916373-pc/75629306

https://www.pcgamer.com/the-precarious-business-of-living-off-modding/

https://www.vice.com/en_us/article/43axqp/nintendo-shuts-down-the-internets-favorite-super-mario-64-modder

https://techiegamers.com/street-fighter-v-cracking-charging-mods/

https://lotrminecraftmod.fandom.com/wiki/Thread:417636

https://store.steampowered.com/news/posts/?appids=620,550,240,220,70,80822,400,80923,80788,440,80762,80752,500,10,420,80747,80739,380,80633,300,4000,30,5739,80,360,340,320,280,40,130,60,50,20,219,5952,410,5489,630,5268,570,922,5734,5724,5149,5150,5141,5139,5138,5260,5032,997,987,985,960,937,936,934,933,932,931,930,916,923,918,917,915,914,913,912,905,901,904,5073,5051,5825,5722,995,906,1003&appgroupname=Valve&enddate=1534173497

https://segmentnext.com/2019/04/26/community-toxicity-may-shut-down-fan-made-skyrim-multiplayer-mod-says-developer/

https://www.nexusmods.com/residentevil22019/mods/288?tab=posts

https://www.lipstickalley.com/threads/ok-im-over-this-patreon-mess-sims-related.1233813/page-5

https://www.kotaku.com.au/2017/03/blizzard-shuts-down-mod-aiming-to-make-world-of-warcrafts-story-better/

The website about Radious mod for Total War doesn't work... and I am surprised to not have found a news about Halo because there definitely were plenty for that. Also Pokemon editions like Pokemon Uranium which won in court but still.

I found these but didn't read them through. Searching for "mod patreon shut down" seems to yield good results.

We are rather fortunate with EA. Nintendo and Capcom are the Hitler when it comes to that kinda stuff.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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@[CommieDog](members:commiedog:17647)
Ah the communist shows his face. Interesting. So will you please explain to Eric Chou aka GeneralJist what original work is and what is not?

Also I love that you admit it all.

The CommieDog has the most backbone in this company it seems. Speaks volumes.

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iqew
iqew

While I do agree with some of the critism, I don't think it's what they deserve at this point. Many hundreds or even thousands of hours were spent on the project and they even delievered something playable. That's something to be proud of and there's nothing that anyone can take away from that. Game development is a huge undertaking and hard enough for highly trained professionals yet alone passionate modders, who have to teach themselves everything on their own.

I congratulate everyone in the development team and who helped develope the mod on what they achieved and wish the best of luck for future projects. Take the good and the bad, learn from it and apply it to future projects.

Best wishes

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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This isn't game development you idiot its mod development. Whats next you fool gonna cry about work crunch? Mods are done in the free/spare time! You're not employed.

If they want to be a serious business then they have to deal with serious issues and the most important one of those are legal issues.

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iqew
iqew

Just because the scope of modding is smaller doesn't mean you don't have to understand the game development pipeline and go through it the same way. If you don't understand that mod development is a subcategory of game development then you might be the idiot here.

Also, you might want to tone down your comments a bit. I don't know what hurt you and I don't need to know, but the aggresive tone of every comment you make here is totally out of place.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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No I don't need to tone down my comment when somebody claims that mod development is game development then you're an idiot.

Its like someone claiming a revolver is the same as an assault rifle just because they're both firearms.

Look at you what a ******* idiot now you explain to me that both a game and mod can be played and are therefore the same thing.

Yes mod development is similar to game development but it is NOT the same. You are NOT a game developer when you make a mod. Games are made to sell!!! Mods are not! A game has to be financed and deal with many legal issues, a mod does not.

It is so different but yes ofc they are similar. You may call it a subcategory I don't find that term to be 100% accurate for it but yes they are dealing with the same thing but in completely different ways.

I realize that you are all mentally disabled because YOU CAN'T JUST MAKE A C&C GAME!!!!!!!!

Its EA property. You can't just go make a company and make C&C games and sell them and sell C&C art and C&C lore and stuff. Its completely illegal and its totally clear to everybody that has his brain installed.

Just ask yourself a simple damn question you idiot. Why does SONY not make a HALO for the ******* PS4? By the logic of all you mentally disabled idiots they'd just have to make the money with Patreon and then it would be fair game.

Sony be like: Pay 25$ now on Patreon to play Halo on PS4 early. Full version may come later for free for everybody.

Modding is like a soapbox derby. You're not a professional race driver afterwards but yes technically you drive races with a car. And yes its similar, its even the same thing to some degree but on a completely different level.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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This is modding:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Od9uN02qZs

This is professional game making:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SBi92AOSW2E

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

moding is the basics of game development.
Many of the same skills and principles used in both.
What we have done here is game development.

Mod development is a sub field of game development.

And once again, we are not selling anything.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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You are fake news Eric.

"modding is the basics of game development".

What a completely and utterly idiotic thing to say. If modding was the basics of game development then game development would be a subcategory of modding.

What a ******* load of ********.

So every game starts out as a mod huh since moding is the basics of game development. Suddenly every game developer is degraded to a lowly modder.

Your logic is so twisted its FUBAR.

Also thank you for stating once again that you need the same skills in both like really I really didn't know that you piece of **** idiot. Yes a texture artist who makes textures for a mod can also make or use them for a game thank you very much for that valuable input you ******* idiot.

Whats the next wisdom that I can use toilet paper for when I spill some water on the floor? Well I guess that works so its also floor paper.

Oh hey how about the knife I can use it to cut my vegetables before eating or like a weapon to stab you to death.

Miracles are opening up to me. Things can be used for more than one purpose wow such wisdom. If only I went to university to learn that ****.

Tell you what you idiot a PROGRAMMING LANGUAGE thats the mofo basics of game development. A game starts out as code and from the moment it is playable it is a game. At no point in time is it ever a mod until some 3rd party dude like you comes by and MODIFIES the original.

OMG guess what Mod means GAME MODIFICATION you ******* idiot.

Why dafuq do I need to even explain this? You can't be this idiotic. Ah, you must be a troll and this mod is all memes. Ah yes, suddenly it all makes sense again.

Good.

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GeneralJist Author
GeneralJist

I think you need a snickers:

Look,
My point is that moding is a basic form of game development. And that we have done much of what is considered game development in the pursuit of this project.

You should mellow out man. it's not like I'm criticizing your work.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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You piece of **** american don't even understand the word basic and want to be a CEO. Learn some ******* english and then some ******* logic.

The ************* word you mean is simple or simplistic. Basic means creating a base, a foundation to build up upon.

You don't build a game upon a mod you build a mod upon a game.

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero

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What does you not critizising my work have to do with anything? This isn't about my work its about you selling C&C stuff via Patreon.

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