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Introducing a poll for choosing a sniper model of Mosin-Nagant M1891/30. Also some pictures from Eastern front.

Posted by MCh2207Cz on May 10th, 2011

Hi all!


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Please note that the mod "SUMMARY" and the article "MAIN MOD FEATURES" had been changed due to the situation!

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At last I have finished off the Mosin-Nagant 3D models. I can proudly present a true Russian M1891/30 variant which was the most frequent and used of all Mosin-Nagants on the Eastern front. I did it because the original CoD2 Mosin-Nagant model was completely wrong, it was a hybrid between Finish (M28/30) and Russian (M1938) variants.
I made three M1891/30 models in total: an unscoped version, a sniper version with cloth cover and a sniper version without cloth cover. Both snipers have PU scope with x3,5 magnification.

Poll

WHICH SNIPER MODEL OF MOSIN-NAGANT IS BETTER - WITH CLOTH OR WITHOUT CLOTH???
Please write your opinion into comments...
...winner will be used in mod.

You can watch here, or use image section.

You can watch here, or use video section.

Sniper version without cloth cover


Sniper version with cloth cover



Unscoped version:

Images
When testing the Mosin-Nagants I took also additional pictures of some other weapons from the Eastern front.

Parabellum P-08
New model, reshaped, reshaded, remapped UVs, added a lot of detail (grip, locking mechanism, barrel, various pins). The new model naturaly goes with new skin in both DX7 and 9 modes. I took my attention especially to the DX9 mode which enables lights and bumps.


RGD-33
The original CoD2 model for Russian hand grenade - the RGD-33 was really low detail plus it had low resolution skin. Now we can enjoy skin with double resolution and more detailed model. I had to remap the UVs because the original model had quite a lot of glitches there. Model is reshaded as well and I improved the DX7 and 9 performance.


Tokarev TT-33
The remaking process of the Russian pistol started with the fact that it had an error when reloading - there was a clipping glitch - you could see the magazine going through and out of the grip. So I corrected it. When corecting this mistake I decided that I will fresh up the whole thing a bit. So it has a new skin with better contrast and detail in both DX7 and 9 modes. I had to remodel the whole slide because its geometry was messed up. There were errors in shape of the grip too. Reshading and remapping UVs was done as well.


Mauser Kar98k
I showed the Kar98k on Rhine map before. Here you can see how it looks in Russian winter. The whole model was adjusted a lot. I moved the bolt forwards a bit because in original CoD2 animation it was too backwards. Missing surfaces were filled and the whole model was given a more "Mauser" feeling. But the main work was done on skin, I took several photos to give myself an virtual image how I want the gun to look like. So the wood was completely changed. DX9 maps were heavily adjusted to give as perfect performance as possible.


MCh2207Cz

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c4ble
c4ble May 11 2011, 3:05am says:

I like both versions, but the one with the cloth cover looks to similar to the Vanilla one imho, so I vote for the uncovered one!:-)

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Mastermagic
Mastermagic May 11 2011, 8:52am says:

cloth.

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Anarcieath
Anarcieath May 11 2011, 9:17am says:

I like it with the cloth covers.

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[TGW1918]Cireva
[TGW1918]Cireva May 11 2011, 9:36am says:

without cloth

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KeMoN
KeMoN May 11 2011, 11:33am says:

I'd like to vote for the cloth-covered sniper because it's still at the eastern front and there was plenty of snow (like in the videos/pics) so the cloth was very important for the snipers.
Besides the realism factor I just like the cloth-covered model more!

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riskbreaker
riskbreaker May 11 2011, 11:49am says:

Cloth

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CRO_White_Wolf
CRO_White_Wolf May 11 2011, 1:11pm says:

Cloth cover=More realistic if all time sniper.
Without cloth cover=Still realistic,but not very effective.

I vote without cloth cover.

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JK-Terminator
JK-Terminator May 11 2011, 3:18pm says:

With cloth. Hands down.

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kmarvell125
kmarvell125 May 11 2011, 5:45pm says:

Is that a PU scope on a hex receiver I see there? Tsk tsk.

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 12 2011, 11:52am replied:

Yes PU x3,5 scope and hex type receiver...
Btw what's your vote?

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Conchobhar
Conchobhar May 11 2011, 6:49pm says:

With Cloth

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attackzone974
attackzone974 May 12 2011, 2:33am says:

Cloth.

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Vassili_Tzaisev
Vassili_Tzaisev May 12 2011, 9:36am says:

Can't you inlcude both of them in different maps? Because both look excellent and it would be a really hard choice, if we had to choose only one of them.

But if you really have to include just one, then I think that it should be the one with the cloth cover, mainly because the whole Russian campaign is set during the winter. If it were, for example, in Berlin, then wothout clothes would fit better.

But still, if you can add both, it would be great.
Excellent job there!

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 12 2011, 11:47am says:

ok, so far the the score is cloth (9) vs. noncloth (3)

To Vassili_Tzaisev:
It is theoretically possible. But the way of doing it is very unsatisfying - there would have been two Mosin-Nagant sniper weaponfiles with incompatible ammo (just like scoped vs. unscoped Mosin-Nagant ammo).

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emoinatuxedo
emoinatuxedo May 13 2011, 1:52am replied:

I'd have to go with cloth too, but both look amazing.

Quick question, I know what your talking about with the ammo, but ideally how would you want the ammo to work? (e.g. sharing of ammo without losing ammo at the same time or something else)

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 13 2011, 3:00pm replied:

I mean that there would have been two absolutely identical weapons just with different look. Ideally I would want the cloth cover as an attachment or kind of perk or something. But to my knowledge this is not possible in cod2. I am able to script the attachment for 3rd person model but not for 1st person model...

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Torre
Torre May 14 2011, 5:46am replied:

Mmm I think that this is possible in MP but in SP I have no idea :(

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PersonASC
PersonASC May 14 2011, 10:23pm replied:

its stupid that its not possible to create shared ammo, l mean if you have both springfields or enfields it is more that just theoretically possible to transfer bullets to and from each weapon

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 15 2011, 5:40pm replied:

Yes in real life you can transfer ammo for weapons that fire same catridge. So you can take off ammo from kar98k, fill it into belt and fire it from mg42 =)
That's sadly a thing not possible in games...

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Torre
Torre May 14 2011, 5:45am says:

w/ cloth

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 14 2011, 6:09am says:

Just add, my vote is without cloth.
So the score is cloth (11) vs. noncloth (4)

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War_Crimes
War_Crimes May 14 2011, 7:22am says:

M1891/30 with cloth

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PersonASC
PersonASC May 14 2011, 10:25am says:

noncloth, CoD1-esque is the coolest ever...and l loved the sniping parts of that game

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 14 2011, 10:39am says:

Score, cloth (12) vs. noncloth (5)

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Saladofstones
Saladofstones May 14 2011, 11:01pm says:

I vote for the cloth, its just all cool looking.

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pvtherman
pvtherman May 15 2011, 1:20am says:

Hard choice guys, I really wish you could include both. But if I had to pick, I would want to try out the non-cloth, since the vanilla cod2, we've had the cloth by default (but the cloth remodel that you have done I would totally want to use as well).

(just also on the curious side, if you made them to have the same ammo, you would have to carry both models to have them share it? Dropping one of the models may end up having the dropped weapon take all the bullets?) Actually, wait this would still be a hassle to create rather similar files, but with just different models?

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 15 2011, 9:41am replied:

to the curious side - exactly that :-) There is also a second option with the ammo sharing, but the result is also not good enough.

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 15 2011, 9:42am says:

Score, cloth (13) vs. noncloth (6)

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Dawciooo
Dawciooo May 17 2011, 8:15am says:

without cloth !

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GSmirlis
GSmirlis May 20 2011, 3:56am says:

Of course with cloth!

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 20 2011, 3:42pm says:

Score, cloth (14) vs. noncloth (7)

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idzi1910
idzi1910 May 28 2011, 3:51pm says:

Without cloth!

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz May 28 2011, 5:41pm says:

Score, cloth (14) vs. noncloth (8)

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DAN743
DAN743 Jul 27 2011, 4:36am says:

no seas malo amigo no pongas encuesta. a lo sumo pone en la version full la mosin con paño y luego un skins aparte con el arma sin paño, porque la verdad los 2 modos en q se encuentra el arma son en si realista para la epoca y no tiene mucho q ver el paño en el realismo del arma. si me contestas esto me vas quitar un peso de encima.
desde ya gracias.
not be a bad friend does not put survey. at most places in the full version with cloth mosin and then a separate skins free cloth with the gun, because the truth 2 modes at q is the weapon itself is realistic for the times and not much see the cloth q the realism of the gun. if you answer me this, I take a load off.
from now thanks.
y si es un texto largo.and if a long text.

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz Sep 2 2011, 4:33pm replied:

It depends if we solve the duplicate scoped mosin issue somehow.

If yes, both models will be in the mod at a time.

If no, unscoped mosin will be downloadable as an addon.

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MCh2207Cz Author
MCh2207Cz Dec 17 2011, 9:24am replied:

I made a mistake in my comment above, there should be:
"If no, noncloth mosin will be downloadable as an addon."

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shijir
shijir Mar 3 2012, 8:46am says:

Like

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shijir
shijir Mar 3 2012, 8:48am says:

without cloth

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shijir
shijir Mar 3 2012, 8:49am says:

without cloth

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