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SonderKommando Revolt is a Wolf3D mod about real WWII revolt against the Nazis in the famous Auschwitz extrermination camp. The mod is made very realistic, moody, challenging and detailed.
It's a first part of trilogy of mods. The next 2 parts will be called "Sonder 2 - Warsaw Uprising" and "Sonder 3 - Mission:Treblinka".

Current Team members:

Doomjedi - graphics, story and managing
Tricob, AlumiuN and WLHack - coding
Dean, Ronwolf, Tricob - mapping

The engine is based on Wolf4SDL engine, and will feature very advanced
coding features, to make it one of the more advanced coding-wise wolf3d mod todate.
Graphically it'll feature many themes including Crematoriums, Block 11, Gas Chambers, execution, interrogation and torture areas...most of which are ripped/based off real pic from the real site.

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IMPORTANT NOTICE:

Our project got an overexposure in recent days, mostly due to a trailer we've released (as the mod itself was on this site for 3-4 years now, without creating any special buzz). The overexposure took this little pixelated project way beyond it's context, proportions and intentions - to a point where this project is in real danger of cancellation. I can admit that we regret the decision to release a teaser trailer. Trailers in general tend to be over-dramatic and graphical, and to be a wrong representation of the project itself, while some people tend to prejudge the project by it's trailer.

This mod was made for modding fans, particulary for a quite limited community of Wolf3D fans, as Wolf3D mods (being mods of 18-year old game) are not much played nowdays. That community is used to all kinds of Wolf3D mods (most of which are fantasy mods anyway) - and we knew for sure our mod will not be taken more than "just a mod" - as all other mods of modding community. We knew that noone will take this in a wrong way, or try to learn or attach any historic or political meaning to it.
The lack of any additional "meaning" to a mod - is one of the basic rules of modding community in general, and the one we go by. This is the unspoken agreement/trust between a modder - and the one playing/reviewing it.

The trailer got overexposed beyond our wildest expectations (and intentions), and so reached a whole new audience that is very far from this understanding of modding concept, mentality and ethics. Though most of the responses were still good, the level of buzz itself, and some of the comments - made the team to feel really uncomfortable.
We as modders - don't do mods for publicity and do not seek it. While some good publicity is ok - if it's for the mods quality and talent - overpublicity is not something we see positively. And though we indeed made one of the more advanced Wolf3D mods ever - I refuse to believe such overexposure is not related in any way to the setting the mod is set in - and it's sensitivity to some people.

Any mod, even about birds and flowers - would make it's modders to feel uncomfortable with such level of overexposure - as it to be judged with such magnifying glass by people and organizations which are just waiting to find any "wrong" in it, even if nothing is.
We are private people who care much about our privacy - and any overexposure, even a good one - is bad news for our projects.

This mod was made by different people from different countries - that that really NOTHING in common but love of Wolf3D modding of any kind, and a will to make interesting and challenging gameplay to Wolf3D fans.
We, as makers of this mod - know the Truth. Our true intentions with this mod - and how little (or nothing) they have to do with some of the buzz this mod created, especially outside of the modding community.
Yet, we understand - that under such situation - our Truth - is not that relevant to some people who look to spill out negativity and looking for reasons to get hurt.
There is so much negativity and suffering in our World - that even by being totally misunderstood (or even deliberately manipulated) - we, as modders and as people, cannot afford to add even 1 drop to this.
We cannot afford to release a mod unless we'll know that it's seen no more than "just Wolf3D mod" - and won't hurt anyone's feelings.

I'm really sorry for all the Wolf3D fans out there - but the project is under question now, and no release date is set. I want to thank Wolf3D fans for their interest, support and positive feedback so far.

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Art and Mapping are finished, including Final Beta-Testing by Dean. Last coding features and bugfixes are in work, by our new coder, Havoc. Those mostly...

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Nice parallaxed sky was done, Title screen and some outside textures. The rest of the graphics is already done, so I hope the "serious" mapping...

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richarn33
richarn33

Dear Creator of your good cancelled mod please as a fan of wolf3d and doom, I demand a demo or an actual beta for release to the public for ***** sake and quit bitching about the media and shut up about religious ******** reasons + also be happy with the gaming community who are actually supporting your game and for dear lord focus on them instead of crying about overexposure but if you don't respond then I'll wave a # under #ReleaseSonderKommandoRevolt3d. P.s Your a great developer at modding and remember just listen to your fans and non-fans alike and in order for you to move on to other projects as an OK man?

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

I'm sorry about your frustration, but if you've never been a center of world-wide media controversy regarding one of the most sensitive subjects in the world - you won't be able to fully grasp the full impact of such on any person, and especially on certain types of person, like me. Call it "bitchin'" but it's something genuine for me, I'm not just faking wounds.

...Why would I release a demo of finished mod? It was already finished at the time it got cancelled.
I have released a full non-Holocastic remake of it (with original maps and features) - which is more than most other developers did in case of cancelled projects. So I feel fine with myself.

I've thanked gaming community for their support, this is really a highlight of this otherwise frustrating story. I appreciate it much. Gaming is an artform that should be free from demand for historic accuracy (its not a schoolbook, damn it) and overall historic sensitivity and censorship.

Thank you for your modding compliments.
I myself am looking only forward and focus on making new, better mods. Away from controversy and with added experience. Sonder was our first mod as a team and we made many modding mistakes even unrelated to the particular controversy, so we're now into making better and better mods, more carefully designed and detailed.

Keep following Team RayCast mods, we're fully into making our next mod.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

I cant believe that you bent over to these people like that. I really want to respect you. I know my respect doesnt meant nothing to you, but seeing such a great game developer defeated like that is just sad. Your game is not even that offensive, nowhere near Grezzo2. I hope one day youll change your mind or have someone else release it.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

I didn't feel I was defeated. Got damage, scars yes, but not defeated.
I managed to release some public version of the mod (and even make relatively wide private release of the original version to over 40 wolfers based on sole trust, without the copy leaking out still many years after - victory by itself of myself and Wolf3D modding community), and what is more important for me - it didn't made me stop making mods (and losing 4 years of daily work can do that you know...), and so I won. This probably means nothing to you - but it sure means alot to me and is not that trivial.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Yes, it was less bloody, but that was not the issue. Holocaust and jews are one of the most sensitive subjects out there and its historic narrative and depiction of victimhood is monitored and guarded by various organizations that somehow feel they "own" the subject or at least are entitled to put their sensitivities forward to prevent others from putting creative spotlights on less classic depictions of holocaust jews, some of which were forced to help the nazis at the camps and some even tried to revolt the nazis. Not that jews weren't the sole victims there - they were, still almost noone knows who SonderKommandos were. And that says alot.
That, mixed with pixelated "gore" and big gaming sites trying to make easy headline profit - makes a big mess.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

No, its not about the blood, its about killing christians and Jesus for fun... in the first level. It had way more gruesome **** in that game.
Your game is not any more offensive than any other movie that was made about the holocaust. Or game - like i have no mouth and i must scream. Ok it might be a bit more over the top for being an fps, but its not a big deal. YOu know its not a big deal, youve said it.
If you are willing to disregard your work for the sake of not offending someone, im sorry, you are defeated. YOu even said that youll move on to make non offensive games. Do you think ID never got **** over Wolf and Doom? You are doing exactly what Nintendo did back then- pussyfing the content for the sake of political correctness. You know that ID didnt like that and it ended up in one of the worst games of all time - Noahs ark 3d
These people dont have power over you. You dont have to listen to them. ITs just a form of SJW crap. I have to wonder how did they react when Family guy or Sauth Park joked about the holocaust. They actually get **** all the time for all kind of crap and their response is always: We dont care, **** you! We joke about everything." And its not like you are killing the Jews, its not like the game is mocking Jews, you are killing Nazi. If anything its anti-german. How butthurt can they be? Infinitely butthurt.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

"Do you think ID never got **** over Wolf and Doom? "
ID was a company, team of people who can defend themselves. Not a single guy living alone with no support. Guy whose job became threatened by this issue. Who couldn't work properly, or sleep, or eat.
I don't need to give up my job, sole money/income I live from - for you to be able to play my free mod. Sorry. Not proportional. I'm not some historical activist who is ready to make such personal sacrifices.

ID also sold the game for profit. So they sure need to be able to defend their work.

And what it did was less controvercial than jews and Holocaust. And noone expected historical accuracy of their game, not happening in real controvercial place and having clear fantasy attributes that are not related to people who got their 6000000 brutally executed in war.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

About ID being a company, do you think that companies want controversy? Because they dont. They dont want any risk whatsoever. Thats why Nintendo pussified it. There have been countless talented fired writers from big studios, because their work was too dearing. If anything companies make this issue worse. They dont want to lose money. Anyways, ID wasnt a big company back then. In fact it was all runed mostly by 4 people at the start. People that had balls. People that i respect very much. But its all irrelevant. Because your game isnt even controversial. Try to spin it however you like. Its just not. You dont have a game where you kill or mock jews, you have a game that captures the horrors of the holocaust quite nicely. Making a fiction around it is not mocking it, its not controversial. You should know that. And controversial art is still art. Saying that its not is nonsense.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

I agree with the fact that my mod is not controvercial, and that's why it was a total surprise for me it became a controvercy. Otherwise I wouldn't choose to go with such dramatic trailer, I felt safe. I didn't expect the buzz, beyond standard new mod release buzz of fans of Wolf3D mods.

But again, what is the goal of the mod that you claim "I was defeated" with? If it was the controvercy - you got it already. Talk around SonderKommando, Holocaust? I achieved it even without releasing the actual mod. What would releasing this mod achieve that it didn't already achieved?
Play of the maps, features? All can play the maps in "remake" version that is public.
Wolf3D fans, true ones? They got a full private copy of Sonder. Same fun + extra fun of having rare copy and cool secrecy aura.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

Dont read the other comments, read this one. It sums them up nicely. The comment section is kinda confusing to me. Its becoming a mess
You failed to stand your ground. You failed to release the mod. What is the point of winning an underground award? To feel good about yourself? Arent you making the game for people that want to play it? Sometimes controversy will find you without being wanted. You should not pussy out when that happens. It will only make your work **** or you'll be forced to not release it. What would releasing the mod accomplish? What did you accomplish by not releasing it? Is it worth to appease a bunch of ********? Dont you want people to enjoy what you did? Why are you rewarding the people that hate your work and disregarding the people that love it? I would understand if everyone thought it was ****, but this here is not the case. You pussied out. Thats why you failed. A litte controversy made you hide your wonderful work from the world. And it will keep happening. Not only to you. Ive been following other creators that keep appeasing these SJW *****. Another wonerful holocaust game got cancelled because of them. Trying to not offend anyone will make your stuff bland. Walking on egg shells is never a good thing. Having a perspective is not the same as doing controversy for its sake. Its not cheap, its provocative... its fun

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

I've responded to this under the other comments, see my latest responds.

I feel we keep returning to the same things, I don't have much more I can add. I voiced my respected position and you voiced yours. We don't have to agree, I respect and appreciate your opinion and general interest in this mod.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

You released a washed down version that is not about the holocaust if i understood correctly. Thats not the same level of fun. No way. How is it called btw?

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Yes, you understand correctly. Same maps and features though, only some art replacements of Holocaust-related art, and plot was changed to fit classic Wolf3D/BJ universe.
Changes were made only when really needed and with intention to make as little replacements/changed as possible to the original mod. We even forgot to delete Dr. Mengele as name of one of the Bosses.
"Operation Eisenfaust: Origins".
Needless to say it required quite alot of extra art work from me just to please my team members (and the fans) with some sort of public version of their great work, for people to enjoy their maps and efforts.

Though it's the same gameplay obviously, I agree that this is not what I wanted and less interesting for people who wanted and appreciated Holocaust theme and more historic location/events reference.
Many wolfers did like the twist of mutants now not being enemies but objects of empathy and needed protection.

And pure modding-wise - we did release much better mods since.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Yes, controvercy sometimes is not...predictable or objective, alot of factors come to play here. My mod before Sonder had nude women and violence against such - and it didn't create any headline. Some liked it more, some less, but that's it. There is something special about Holocaust though. Despite the mentioned inpredictability - you can assume Holocaust mods, especially presented as dramatic bloody trailers - would general a headline if noticed by proper gaming or jewish site or organization (conclusion not accounted for at the time). It depends on gore, historical accuracy and other feactors as well, which make it still unpredictable to an extent.

But you can understand, after 2 "controvercial" mods in a raw, both being my 2 first mods ever released, as a starting modder - why I'd prefer logically, without "defeat" so to speak to move away from such for a long while in any case, and prove I can make good mods on their own, as mods, as a game, not riding the buzz generated by controvercial issues. Modding is much more than being controvercial, as an artform and there is no need to rely on controvercy to make good mods in that particular artform. I'm not a Holocaust or historical activist, and just a modder.
And so I did scrap all the other part of the trilogy. It was planned as a trilogy and we've envisioned next part in relative detail. I did reuse some of the sequel art in later mods, where it fits.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

Well i believe controversy is a good thing. It means that what you are doing is making an impression and has balls.
Move away from it if you like, but it does sound like defeat. It sounds like you dont want to take it anymore. If you only took a break i would understand. But people are getting riled up over almost anything nowadays. SJWs are trashing movies by being offended quite often lately. I was hoping that at least Indie developers are safe, but it seems not so much.
Anyways, there is no such thing as bad advertisement. Why dont you hire me as your public relations agent and ill personally tell these ***** to take a shower at Auschwitz.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

"but it does sound like defeat"
You should evaluate such claim based on mod's original intention (of its makers) and not the definition you personally prefer to give it.

You have to understand, this was a creation meant to relatively small retro Wolf3D modding/fan community (most people don't play Wolf3D mods, it's a fact.) The controvercy brought attention to it from much wider audience than was its intended target audience of standard Wolf3D mod. Most of all the people who got to know it - got to know it not because they watch Wolf3D mods releases - because of the media, they'd never know or care about its existence otherwise. So "losing" them as players - it not a valid measure to decide if I "lost" or got "defeated".

Almost all members of Wolf3D community (beside those who had history to give me a reason not to entrust them with private copy) - got Sonder copy in "underground" release, the mod even got a private "mod of the month" award.
They were the target audience, the ones I wanted so much to play my mods, whose opinion I cared about - and they all got to play Sonder. And wider audience got to play a public safe remake of it. It's as close to victory as it can be.

"Anyways, there is no such thing as bad advertisement." Then pull down your pants and run naked on the street :)
Media will come :) Controvercy is easy. Really. I should leave it for those who seek it. So many people love media attention and can't get it sometimes, and I got it even unintended with pixellated mod of 20-year old game. Life is just not fair, go figure :)

Maybe there is no bad advertisement, but there are sure people not fitting to hold the controvercy flag or prefer at least being known for good deeds or achievements.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Controvercy is not bad or good (and sure not sole and objective measure of mods quality), it's a tool to promote some agenda, getting attention or just a result of non-mainsteam approach.
As such, controvercy shouldn't become a goal of itself, controvercy for the same of controvercy or attention. Controvercy is cheap, I can just pull down my pants, run on the street - and get a controvercy. It's not an achievement or something that is hard to create intentionally.
What was special about this mod is that it wasn't created for controvercy or with controvercy in mind, it started as a personal project regarding my past life.
As such I didn't like the controvercy and sure didn't seek to use controvercy as free cheap "advertisement" as I sure don't want to be controvercial or making fame or money out of Holocaust topics and its memory. Monetize it.
I didn't have any agenda on this mod. It was artistic creation but I didn't want to...teach people or impose some vision and sure not to rewrite jewish history, maybe only my own.
I'm not an activist, I'm a modder making games.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

Well anyways ill do it again.
I didnt mean that you intended to get popular. I meant that you pulled out as soon as some had shook his/her finger at you. Controversy for the sake of it is cheap, sure, but thats not what you were doing, was it? No, you did something very interesting that was inspiring you and got **** for it. These people have no right to tell you what your art should be. Its about honor. ANd no, your game is not even controversial, i will stand by this, you didnt do anything wrong. Its not a game about killing or mocking jews, its a game that captures the horrors of the holocaust quite nicely. Being fiction does not make it controversial. These people are full of **** and thats why you should have told them to go **** themselves.
Nudists will get on board and support me if i pull my pants down. The principal is - if someone tells you that you are doing something wrong, there will be other people that will call ********. Now will that be helpful in any case? Probably not, so i guess this statement is not true 100% of the time, but it holds up in most of the time. Actually if you know how to spin it, it can be very helpful. TAA sold banana shirts, because a video leaked where he stuck a banana in his ***. So yeah. All it takes is a bit of skill and shamelessness. Not everyone wants that tho. But being ashamed is bs imo

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Pulling out in time is a good quality for a guy, isn't it? :) Heh.
I wasn't doing cheap controvercy, I didn't plan controvercy as all. Expensive nor cheap. Yes, it did inspire me.
Indeed people were not right to tell me what to do. I didn't pull it out because I agreed with their claims (as I think I've made clear), I couldn't handle it on a personal (not principal) level and it wasn't worth the "price" for me at that point, emotional and otherwise. It heavily intruded all areas of my life, both home and my job, my sleep, appettite, will to open any kind of media...

"Nudists will get on board and support me if i pull my pants down." Well, I'd support you in such case (wink) ;)
But now imagine you living alone in relatively new city, no close friends in your city or parents nearby, no girlfriend or wife to support you, no other life beside personal nudism home alone in your life, you 4 years prepared that run....Only some nudists blogs support you, while much more others, mainsteam media and worldwide religious "protect children from nudism" organizations hunting you down on every media platform.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

And i appreciate that you engaged me, you didnt have to.
You didnt have to pull out tho. It wasnt the time. You have a weakness that you need to work out on. You cant let these people walk all over you and slander you. Every sane person would have supported you and noone would listen to those crazy ********. When they tell you that your mod isnt historically accurate, you tell them that they are idiots for expecting that a wolf 3d mod has to be historically accurate. Thats what one of my heroes did - McGregor - media whores asked him about a thing he said if it was racially charged and he just told them that they are idiots and drove away.
Another thing that one of my teachers told me that i will never forget is - When you are an artist youll get a lot of **** if your work draws traffic. You have to be prepared to deal with it, if you cant, you are not ready.
You worked your *** off making this game. Dont let people make you ruin your hard work. Its disrespectful to yourself and the people that respect you.
I understand its not easy, but you have to grow bigger balls or this will keep happening, or youll live in some shadow, walk on egg shells for the rest of your life, or shy away from doing things that attract more people.

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Sane people might (especially gaming/modding blogs, though I can give you tons of negative links even from gaming blogs), but still, most people don't understand modding ,gaming, Wolf3D, for them I just made a fun gory shooter out of most painful part of jewish history.
I couldn't explain it properly even to my Dad... Not to mention media, jewish and other organizations, my workplace... Holocaust is "holy" theme here, in Israel especially. I was for them between "bad" controversial and plain stupid/naiive to do something like that (and have german coder to code it).

"You have to be prepared to deal with it, if you cant, you are not ready." I'm prepared for critics of how bad my mod might be as a mod (I've released quite some mods, some liked them and some not)...but not for historical or other controversy, especially media one.
Not to mention I'm electronic engineer, and the last thing I wanted is for people (at work especially) to discover I believe in reincarnation (and started this mod as a recreation of such) as such thing attached usually to pseudo-science and lack of critical thinking, not good qualities for engineer...also they suspected I might have done this mod on work's time, and that + negative media attention my college got - have put my job in real danger.

Now, before you further judge me - imagine going normal morning to work, hear phone rings you lift it up - and you're live on national radio with some known pranksters, "call of the day". How would you feel? Could you work? For how long? Whole college was under phone and email attack, my bosses didn't know a thing and got tons of interview requests for me... College PR people had to issue official responses and cover/hide me from the media...which workplace likes that, and would want to keep me? College would get a name of controversial college whose workers make fun games of Holocaust...

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

Its not really just about critics. Its about crazy sensitive people in general. I can give you countless examples. For instance, if you draw a picture where a guy is casually eating pork, youll get a bunch of muslims and vegans riled up. The most insane real world example that i can give is that one time that a girl took her own life, because she drew a fanart of Rose from Steven Universe too slim(she is fat) and got harassed by a bunch of sick fans.
You didnt owe no explanation. The most you could have done is an article unaddressed to any accuser that states obvious facts - that the fun in the mod is not the dead Jews, but killing the Nazi that did this. Maybe state that youll have a disclaimer that the mod is not historically accurate and encourage people to read about it. But thats it. Ignore everything else. THese people dont want to genuinely interview you, they want to slander you. YOu have a German coder? So what? This is the ultimate level of retardation. You shouldnt take it seriously.
But sure, you are you, youll do what youll do.
I dont think there is much more to add. This might be farewell

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

We've added such a disclaimer to the mod right after the media buzz started, when we still hoped to release it. It's even on the internet.
3.bp.blogspot.com

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

Sometimes controversy will find you without being wanted. You should not pussy out when that happens. There will always be people that will get offended over all sort of nonsense. Your work should reflect you and your intentions. Being super conscious about how people feel about you is a sign of weakness. It will only make your work ****. And you will never have the moment where "everybody likes me now".
What was the point in winning an underground award? To make you feel good about yourself? Arent you making these games for people that want to play them?

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doomjedi Creator
doomjedi

Again, you're right, and again - I didn't pull it out because I thought other are right in their reactions. Decision was not about who is right, but the implications of either decision on my personal life and welfare.

Yes, I admit I was very weak and sensitive at that time (not shame in being weak, we all are weak at ceitain periods of our lifes, being strong is in ability to admit it). Being alone (in a very small rented room) for many many years does that to you, you know, without proper social interaction and skills - and now world wide media controvercy to handle. Don't hurry to judge others. Now I have a life, have wife, have people to support me. I just don't want to go back to the past now, I prefer making new good mods. I can't go back to same mods all over again. Best way to heal the past is to move forward.

Yes, most other epople would react differently to that situation (and even see much blessing in media coverage and fame), I myself now in retrospective could react much wiser and stronger. But we are as good as we are in certain moment of time, I did my best for the knowledge, experiences and resources I had at the time.

Underground award was from wolfers I respect, who know and understand that form of modding well and their opinion and appreciation really matters (as they have taste and experience in wolf3D mods in particular), especailly as they didn't jump in riding on the buzz, they anticipated and followed that mod for 4 years, way before any buzz.

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alienzkiller
alienzkiller

I tryed to respond but i cant see my comment :(

I think something broke. The first two pages of the comment section are the same :/

Do you see it? Anyways i did it again, but its on page 2

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