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The UNSC Destroyer. 2 MAC guns and power levels above 9 million!!!
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is that possible 2 macs ?
there's a ship with 4 fucking super-MACs and 6-8 burst MACs, but don't ask me which it was.
its in the books, very possible
WHATS ITS POWER LEVEL?!
yeah i only got the flood so ;) and i have read the first 30 pages :)
The 9 million thing is a dragonball Z joke....
i know its a dbz joke
NT, WHATS ITS POWER LEVEL?!
OVER 9000!!!!!!!!!
Neat models, looking great guys!
"could almost be mistaken for a frigate" - fall of reach
destroyers are frigates just more armor more missles and an extra MAC
that isnt
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LMFAO epic fail
Well a frigate with different stats is no fun. Players need easy visual representation of individual units for commanding fleets on the fly.
Please provide the page where it says that, as i don't recall it, and i just browsed the pages where they describe the destroyer...It says nothing about it resembling a frigate.
Also, frigates are VERY fragila in terms of design...It makes no sense they would build the destroyer on the same design when they're basicly doubling everything about it.
Velo, In the books Dr. Halset says it could be mistaken for a Frigate and that it's nearly indentical in appearance except its 7 meters longer.
On what page? And if this really s the case, then i'd go with NT's response in that having a different model is better for aesthetics and you can recognise your ships much quicker.
I like this one, hasnt got wings >.>
Wait a minute.
This is the destroyer.
Then what's the weird ship in the movies with the two fins on either side?
It's called a remodel :)
It's also called a new variant of a destroyer. >_>
we got rid of it
because it had wings.
It's got two MACs? Neat. Small ship with two capital ship guns pwns. Great mobility and enormous firepower. Covenant will crap their pants when they see one aiming at them. Great firepower = no hope for baddies and mobility = chance to outrun plasmatorpedoes. If they only would build a small ship with SMACs instead...
theres no such thing as a small SMAC
The Fall of Reach page 296 "the linear accelerator coils were larger than a UNSC cruiser"
so no ship can support that fire power and any ship capable of supporting an SMAC would be so big that it would be cheaper making a whole new fleet
and technically the MAC really isnt that powerful as it takes 2 or 3 shots to take out covie sheilds
Eh? I was assuming the Astreous would have a SMAC
Also I read somewhere it would only take 1 mac hit to take out an average cvies ships shields
1 SMAC hit to obliterate almost all covie ships
2 or 3 ship board MAC's as in almost every battle that is the case in 2 of the battles in "the fall of reach" it clearly states that
above the research facility a covie ship takes 2 or 3 (i forget) direct hits and still lives even with a 10 metre wide hole right through the ship
at reach itself it states that the smaller MAC's bounce off the covie shields and takes about 3 hits to penetrate
I like the fin model. you should use it for something. How bout a....scout frigate? heavy frigate? Finned frigate?
I like this version more than the finned version, but it looks very similar to the heavy frigate. Speaking of easy visual representation...
Based purely on canon, the destroyer should look nearly identical, and if your point is that confusion will still happen, I will argue that it'll take little time to adapt to the visual differences enough to recognize these at a glance.
I'm pretty sure the books say that the destroyer is similar in size, not necessarily in appearance. Which book are you quoting from?
In First Strike, DR Halsey says that Destroyers are nearly identical except for being 7 meters longer. As we KNOW they don't have the same armament, we can assume that means appearance.
well id would say use the finned destroyer design because the UNSC seems to re-use the same design for many of there vessels with slight design, i.e the halcyon and the battleship astraeus (not gonna bother tryin to spell that) although different they still share the same basic hull design principals whereas this destroyer has, though similar; way to drastic a design change between the frigates and if you were to think from the mind of a UNSC engineer designing a destroyer against a numerically, more well armed and more ferocius foe you would want to have a ship with the heavier firepower of a capital class with the misleading size and speed of something smaller with a similar design. this design drags to much attention to the ship making it a noticeable target, i would go with the original destroyer for the basis DD design and use this model for say an HDD or CLC (light cruiser-patrol cruiser) just a simple idea. and to answer the what book/page thingy its in the fall of reach in the first chapter of the epsilon Eridanus section i believe when your first introduced to keyes's first combat command onboard the DD Iroquois when they describe the ship as being similar in design to a frigate but in a with a 7 meter difference they even qouted it as saying i believe that an enemy would approach the ship wanting an easy kill only to be fooled and suprised by a twin MAC suprise, you can correct me if i wrong im just going off of memory cuz i dont have my book infront of me. just given in my proposal
...that was one sentance...
no wait! it was TWO!
it is essentially the same as a frigate but with an extra MAC arm and more armor
'way too drastic a design change between the frigates and if you were to think from the mind of a UNSC engineer designing a destroyer against a numerically, more well armed and more ferocius foe'
the destroyer wasnt designed to fight the covenant, they were around before the battle of harvest, plus, the ship is still going to be only 7 metres longer, so i dont see what you mean by bringing too much attention to itself.
plus i remember somewhere reading that the MACs were side by side, not on top of each other, though i may of dreamt it >.>
Your going to change the destroyers? Thats a real shame, I thought that the finned version looked real cool - it had a more UNSC feel to it....
This one just kinda looks like someone has taken a frigate and slapped an extra forward section in between the engines...looks clumsy.
The other one would make more sense for a Destroyer in my opinion...
And the finned one didn't? THe finned version was jsut the frigate with a molded together front arm and fins...This actually has a difference design concept.
the destroyer in the book was described as looking extremely similar to the frigate, thats what weve been talking about for the rest of the comments
This actually has many changes to it when compared to the frigate. The fact it LOOKS like a frigate is a good thing, as they're meant to be similar (Although i highly disagree with identicle)
hahaha
everyone not on the team hates the new model
it's funny
(I'm not mocking you guys FYI)
not hates. it has actually grown on me. I just like the finned model more...
but i'm not making the mod, so that doesn't really matter.
maybe include both? one as an advanced destroyer (finned?) or something?
Idea: why not use the finned model as the destroyer, and keep this one as a modified heavy frigate? It could have the offensive punch of a destroyer with the lighter armor of a frigate.
We have a heavy frigate which already fills that role.
Sort of. From what I read about the heavy frigate you have right now, it sounds like it focuses mostly on improved survivability (hence the nifty breakaway armor thing). But you could have a second heavy frigate design that trades the heavier armor for a second MAC gun. It would still be cheaper to build than the destroyer, but players could choose whether they wanted destroyer-grade armor or destroyer-grade weapons on their frigates.
The heavy frigate also has turrets and more archer pods than a normal frigate, so it's a half way in every way besides the MAC.
Hm. Fair enough. It just seems like a shame to throw out the old destroyer model completely. I liked that one...
Something we've got to try and remember; most of a UNSC ship would be given over to ground support; even Frigates can provide in that role.
Assumably the Destroyer would have simply swapped the above out for it's extra weaponary. Keyes doesn't send any ground forces down to Sigma Octanus IV (then again; I can't recall what the rest of the fleet did either), I remember someone quoting that there was a significant tonnage difference between a destroyer and a frigate to back up what I've said above too.
Lets go check Halopedia, lol.
Regardless; beautiful model. Give the team some artistic license and stop nit-picking the canonicity.
You could always say keyes didn't deploy any forces because he had scraped the entire bottom deck off the destroyer during battle, and as we know the frigate has it's hangar and deployment zone at the very bottom, the destroyer likely does too, just with all the extra focus on defence and offense it wouldn't have the hangars on the side like the frigate does in it's arms.
Well, In GoO, it said that In Amber Clad was actually a destroyer, not a frigate, and FUD was a frigate, so frigates should look like FUDs while DDS should look like IACs, does anyone have any information against IAC not being a DD?
It's designation on the side, FFG-142 (FFG means frigate, as shown on the dawn and aegis).
i don't like it it should look like the other UNSC frigates and destroyers
this destroyer is really great work with big D :D i think they will be the core of my fleet:D doesn't matter if i win but they are coool:)
Are those macs really going through the entire ship? It seems like they end near half the ship length.
Just like the frigate.
If you look at the frigate, the upper arm, which houses the MAC, ends just before the bridge, which is roughly half the ship.
So... Did they end half the shiplength?
When you go through the aegis fate om sandtrap it goes all the way through.
No idea, never had the patience to glitch out of the map, however unless the barrel physically bends it'd be hard for the barrel to extend all the way back as the arm stops and then decends into the frigate's body just before the bridge.