Suggestions from ComeradeStalin Thread - C&C Generals: Crazy Mod for C&C: Generals Zero Hour

Hello Guys! I've found one more place to post my suggestions so sooner or later they will go in right direction and will come useful.

At first I'll try ro find all of my old suggesions on moddb.
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Suggestion for GLA Generals: MLRS like BM which will reactively launch suicide terrorists.
for USA: vacuum cleaner tank which can drawn up infantry from buildings and as a special ability it will throw infantry (as a shells) back to the enemy.
for China: Overlord which instead of his usual upgrades (propaganda tower, etc) will gain:
1)2 (or 4) battlemasters on the right and left sides (or 2 in front and 2 behind);
2)1 gattling tank on the top;
3)1 dragon tank in the space in front, between tracks and under the main cannons...
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Few more suggestions:
1)flying aircraft carrier for USA; here how I see it: runways from standard airfield; body can be taken from (for example) Paladin tank's models, maybe some light AA; etc;
2)giant flying gunship for China (somethink like what we've seen in Battlefield) it will look in such way: (for example) 4 combined overlords but their 4 shaitan cannons (from gattling overlord) will shoot ground targets and 8 gat cannons which will shoot ground and flying targets; it will also have bunker upgrade (for 10-12 soldiers), propaganda tower AND...upgrade which will allow to drop Toilet paper bomd...how do you find it?
3)OR... instead of mentioned above gunship it can be a giant platform (lightly armed) but it can grab vehicles, for example: 4 overlords or 8 different small tanks which can shoot with their own weapons being attached under the platform...Uhhh madness.
All these toys can cost more than 5000 (even much more)...
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More suggestions!
1)GLA instead of their common demo traps will place terrorists in the groung; they will mine buildings in the same way by attaching terrorists to them;
2) one of GLA generals tired of his Quad cannons and decided to create his own gattling tanks: he placed on the body of base GLA tank long cannon which can spin but don't shoot. Then he attached on it 4 (or 6) rebels with AK-47. Infantry nightmare is ready!
3) new unit for GLA: tank devourer! Big vehicle, armless (or lightly armed), but heavy armored, can crash infantry with it's tracks but when it is close enough to enemy tanks or vehicles it will open it's big ramp, grab a victim ito the stomach and immediately convert in money.
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Guess what? New suggestions of course!
1) Some aircraft for USA. How about to make... X wings from Star Wars? It can be done (for example) by combining of 2 Raptors in X form. Or you can make a Tie Bomber (Fighter). They will burn enemies with lazers.
2)I have not decided yet for whom this unit will be (maybe for super weapon US general or for GLA stealth general). I'd call it a Ghost tank. It doesn't matter how will it shoot or look (maybe some transparent model) the main is it's special ability: well I need a correct word... it will immediately implant into any other tank in the area (after implantation his previous refuge/tank will burst). You may ask me what special is in that? The special is that Ghost can use this ability every...5 seconds for example, so if you/enemy don't kill it fast you/he will lose all your/his tanks.
3)Paladin tank. True Paladin needs due sword. Now it will be heavy melee tank with giant sword and it will smash enemies by hewing hits.
4)How about to replace Microwave tank with Mirror tank? It will have giant mirror (or maybe a shield?) and it's weaponry will depend on which enemy attacks it, so it will be multitarget tank with ability to hit infantry, tanks, aircraft, base defense (and useless against common structures and nonattacking units) and the main is that it will be useful against any target...
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It's me again with new suggestions:
1)basic chinese mines looks rather boooring, don't you think so? How about to make them look like...giant hobnails?
2)super unit for GLA: giant WWII tank (maybe german) which comes with big cannon, but it is not all. It can take salvage (for example) 6-8 times, thus it will (for example again) double main cannon, then add 2 or 4 machine guns, then add additional tracks to increase speed, add a bunker for infantry, add stinger pods, increase armor, implant SCUD launcher, etc so you caught the point...
Or we can choose another way and also take any giant tank which will get said improvements by placing in respective soldiers (like in Tiberian Sun). But such unit can fit to any faction.
3) some ideas for heroes:
- crossbow for Jarmen Kell instead of sniper rifle;
- type machine for Lotus instead of laptop(with respective sounds);
- shocker for Burton instead of knife and big cannon from XVI century ships instead of main gun.
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Some ideas which can get further expansion:
1) flying infantry for USA (with ventilators);
2)...jumping infantry for China (with big springs);
3) for GLA...well maybe not an infantry which can dig themselves but how about, at least, so called shrew - transport for 8-10 soldiers which can dig in, carry infantry underground and grub at the enemy base; it can be lightly armed or without any weaponry at all...
Well if in ZH no subterranean units, how about to make them in this way:I'm not sure how it really works but maybe it is possible to make it with flying unit attached to the ground? After "dig in" command it will make dig in animation and then become invisible and spectator/(player) will consider unit is underground. In invisible mod it moves/(flys) as a plane but it looks like it moves underground (because we don't see it). After grub command it will make "grub animation" and become visible again. So...is it possible to ladle something from this post or it is just a rave?
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Mobile war factories like giant walkers of Hierarchy in Universe at War. It can looks like (for example) 5 combined overlords (2 arms, 2 legs/tracks and body). And it should go from warfactory only with it's backbone withot any weapons and upgrades thus you can choose what to build on it later amond dozens of available improvements. Maybe it sounds rather complicated but if it will be done...
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So guys it is all what I've got for now, later I'll bring more crazy ideas here. You like them or extremely dislike - I'd like to know your point of view! You like a part of any idea but think that it can be performed in other way - go ahead! I want to know your opinions about my suggestions and at the same time you can bring your own ones.

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

i like the mobile war factory and the x aircraft and the infantry and super unit changes and that digging gla thingy and i like it ALL

crazy ideas, this way

Hi Guys! Here I go again with new suggestions:
As I see there are few ideas for aircraft so:
1) How about to make a plane (on base of Raptor for example) even without any changes, but...it will fly not like common plane, it will wave with his wings when flying. (I've seen it in one film not so long ago, but do not remember the name:();
One more idea.I was encouraged by your flat death animation from pancake tank so:
2) That US stealth carpet bomber from strategic centre... It will drop a lot of big black dumbbells with white inscriptions "200 tons" for example, and thus his victims will die with flat death animation;
3) Big moving gantry crane for China: It will have long derrick with big dumbbell on the end which will be very effective against buildings and throw aside vehicles and infantry.(You may increase common dozer and add him derrick instead of grab);
4) little extension to my Paladin with sword: when it destroys vehicles it will hew them on 2 same parts and they will have such death animation;(and infantry as well);
5) one idea to your Pancake crusader - it should peg soldiers into ground thus only their heads will protrude;
That's all for now, later I'll add more...
Don't forget to leave your opinion here.

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

About that gantry crane, Chinese dozer dont fits to it I think. these cranes look totally different, but maybe it will be success

Well...maybe he can refresh somehow dozer's model? I simply can't imagine such crane for USA but who knows - it is Crazy Mod so everything is possible. It is not strict rule to use dozer's model. He may add crane on some tanks' model...

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

WOW , I Like The New Ideas

Hello again guys. So here are my new crazy ideas:
1) Sniper Tank for GLA: and here I see 2 ways how it can be created:
- You can place giant sniper cannon on the base of heavy tank (marauder) , this tank will move very slow but each it’s shot will unman vehicles/tanks, kill infantry, hit aircraft and disable buildings. Always visible. No special abilities;
- Or you can place small sniper auto rifle on the basis of buggy for example, it will move very fast, stealthed even when shooting, very weak armor, visible only during it’s move, but with it’s main attack it will kill only infantry. To unman tanks, aircraft and disable buildings it will use special abilities;
2) Magnetic Tank for China (for example). Well I guess you remember how Yuri’s Master Mind from RA2 acted? But instead of hypnosis it will have 5 giant magnets (in front, on it’s back, on both left and right sides and maybe on the top). When enemy tank/vehicle will appear in Tanks’s range of vision it will be pulled in 3 seconds. When it is already on a magnet victim will lose health rather quickly. Magnetic Tank will be highly armored and will be able to hold on it’s magnets 5 vehicles simultaneously and as a special ability it will pull up to 10 vehicles immediately (for example), but in this case in the end it will explode with it’s victims. If Magnetic Tank will try to pull Overlord for example he will fail of course, but he will be pulled to Overlord himself and will cause damage too.
3) Interesting idea for US tank. I was thinking a lot how to describe it, so I will make it in this way:definitely you know such a musician as cymbalist, he is holding one cymbal in each hand and striking the two together- clash cymbals. So now you understand my idea: we have a tank which instead of his cannon will get two hands which hold so called plates. (maybe later you’ll replace them with something else). When our tank gets close enough to enemy tank he will start to clash it. And in the end his victim will have VERTICAl FLAT death animation which in 2 seconds will fall on a side. As a special ability it will pull the victim by it’s beam (like Apocalipse from RA3) and make instant kill with vertical flat death animation. I propose to call this tank simply – CLASHER TANK.
4) Well still not very clear idea but how about to make giant tank for USA: it will look like rather big platform with 2 big cannons and (for example 4 light lasers) on it’s angles. But it is not the main: it will have a helipad for heavy assault copter, 4 pads for aircraft with vertical takeoff, 2 runways for standard aircraft, dozens of different flying drones, and front and back ramps which will release 4 (2+2) tanks. The main idea is all those units will act/attack absolutely independently. If they are destroyed they will be recreated in course of time (terms of recreation will depend on quality of units lost). There is only one problem: USA doesn’t have heavy assault copters, but maybe later you’ll implant there something by yourself.
5) Khm…Khm…I’ve seen your Tomatohawk on that image. Maybe it’s first time I’m not agree with you but nevertheless I think it doesn’t fit it. I think that Tomato Launcher will fit more to chinese Hell Cannon. But it’s cannon should be much thicker (like your CCM-Launcher has) and it will hold there 3 tomatoes simultaneously and will launch 3 of them in a row. After their fall they will spread red tomatoe juice which will cause damage too (like napalm effect had).That was just my opinion, you of course will decide which units will exist here and how they will look like.
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O-ok that’s all for now, I hope you’ll like my crazy ideas and they will come useful. As usually I’d like to know your opinion about them.

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

ComeradeStalin Rules!!!
Nice Ideas , I ThInk He Should Put All Of Them.

Thanks. I really want to see this mod released.

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

me too

Hi guys! It's me and new suggestions as well.
1) Death Star in ZH. I propose to replace for one of USA general's his fast gunship from General powers with THAT giant sphere. It will have black colour, as usually heavy armored and will shoot with lasers (obligatorily), machine guns and heavy rockets. If it will be finaly destroyed by enemy's AA it will have huge explosion;
2) Interesting AA for USA. TOASTER AA instead of usual Avenger. This big box will shoot enemy aircraft with giant toasts!
3) Detractor tank for GLA. Still not sure how will it look like, somehow gammy, ugly with long thin cannon. His distinguishing feature is that each his shoot (5 seconds for realoding) will convert his victim into enemy for his own comrades thus they will consider him as an enemy, nice?
4) Ultrasound tank for USA. On the base of Tomahawk for example. It will have giant ultrasound cannon which will send ultrawawes to large distances (like Tomahawk did) and this wawe will cause damage to everything which stands on it's way. Infantry will die instantly, vehicles besides of damage will be also disabled for 3-4 seconds;
5) Refrigerator tank! Still thinking for whom: USA or China? It will have medium range of action. When he is close enough to enemy he will open all his doors and freeze enemy vehicles, tahks, infantry in 3 seconds - after this we will his victim in blue ice cube. All victims will be freezed for 30 second. Being freezed victims will die after single shot from any weapon. As a special attack he will make fast longrange single shot and freeze enemy instantly (for USA thought, I guess);
6) Spider Tank for China. How about to put one of the Overlords on spider's limbs? I was encouraged by Supreme Commander's Giant Spiders. To make him these limbs, I think you can divide his giant tracks in 4 parts and they should raise up, and also to each of those 4 tracks upper ends should be attached other parts of tracks but directed to the ground... well like this
Overlord himself
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__!- --!_ ________!
! ! ---- ------!
/ ^ \ !____ __! / ^ \
/ /^\ \ ! !/ /^\ \ ---- 2 tranformed tracks
/ / \ !_ _ ___!_/ \ \
/_/ \_\
Thus it will move in 2 mods: on limbs and on tracks, when on tracks it moves slower and more protected, when on limbs it moves faster but has less armor, and can climb hills like GLA bikes.
I hope you like my ideas!

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

WOW , You Are Smart And Creative.
I Like Those Ideas , You Should Work In This Mod.

Haha Thanks, maybe I could, but huge shortage of time is the MAIN problem which forces me to reject to myself in many interesting things where I can succeed.

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

I Understand That , School Sux Anyway.

Hello! Me again and new suggestions as well
1. Mixer tank for (either for GLA or China). It will look in this way: behind his tower he will have giant flask for victims, and instead of main cannon it will have either longrange beams (if for China) or mechanic hands (if for GLA) which can lengthen and shorten like spring. And with these beams/hanhs it will grab infantry and vehicles and throw it to it's flask werethey will be converted in cash (1/5 of price);
2. One more replace for gunship for another US general: now it is a big missile (like SOYUZ missile but bigger), but with Battle Satellite instead of warhead. It will be launched from the end of the map, will fly to target area where it will separate: missile will burst and satellite will fly in a circle and shoot with little particle beam (but with 1/4 of Partical Cannonl damage);
3. Peacemaker tank. Now it is really true peacemaker: when it shots - his target will cease fire and keep silence (and won't take any damage) for 20 seconds (but still can move!). As a special ability it will ban to shoot to all units in medium area(both allies and enemy). Thus they won't have another choice but to return to their bases or wait until silence will be broken
4. New unique models for bomb trucks of all GLA generals:
- for Toxin - giant flask with green substance on the back on the truck;
- for Demo - giant barrel with dynamite on the back on the truck;
- for Stealth - giant C4 bomb on the back on the truck;
- for Cokie - giant chocolate cake on the back on the truck;
and the same miniature models for common terrorisrs (on their bodies) for each GLA general;
5. USA Super Clone tank. Well it is still a prototype that's why not always enough predictable. It will have two long cannns of high calibur, but it is not the main. As a special ability it will create 3 his clones with 1/3 of armor and weaponry (but more speedy). Second special ability - to clone any of ally units (long reloading). The 3rd abiity - when situation is very dangerous he divide himself in two small copies with 1/2 armor and weaponry (but more speedy) in order to escape in different sides from enemies. How to gather this tank back in one piece? - few ways - if one of the copy is dead - the 2nd will automatically become big again but with half of health, 2nd - intentionally destroy one of copies by special ability and another will turn to big again, 3rd way - to gather them together and to command one of them to run into another like when we command infantry to enter the building.
6. Well GLA always had serious lack of heavy tanks. And at last they've successfully stolen blueprints of chinese Overlord from secret research centre.Now they got giant tank like overlord (but with GLA style appearance), one giant cannon instead of 2, and 3 buildable superstructures (like orinall overlord had). They are: Quad cannon, Radar station, Stinger pods. Nice? But that is not all...something went wrong...main cannon was too powerful, that's why when it shots...the whole body of the tank recoils back!!!
7. Giant Drill Tank with big horizontal drill. For whom: China or USA? Maybe for China. This tank will be heavy armored, move slowly, cause heavy damage to structures, when attacks vehicles they will be disabled during attack and crumble into small pieces as a death animation. Infantry will die instantly. As a special ability it will direct it't drill to the ground and cause mass damage to all enemy units in medium area, allied units will be only disabled.
8. Hobnail artillery for China instead of Hell cannon! It will launch giant hobnails and they will...nail any vehicles fixedly to the groung, thus they won't be able to move for...15 seconds for example. Also cause medium damage but only to concrete victim! Infantry will die instantly.
9. Burner Tank for China insted of Dragon tank. This tank will have 2 big gas cylinders on it's back,and giant gas-jet instead of main cannon. Gas-jet will be connected with cylinders by tubing. His victims will turn into puddle of fiery and melted metal - such will be their death animation. But this tank will cause more AT damage than Dragon did, but to concrete target.
Uhhh...Those were my crazy ideas. How do you find them?!!

Edited by: ComeradeStalin

Perfect

i've read all of your suggestion(damn there alot)
and some of them are good some are perfect
and some of them are rediculisly OP
i think even a crazy mod wont be fun with OP units
it will be like destructive forces where everyone picked inf gen coz of the harmageddon nuke

Well this ideas are not strict requirements to be done. I just try to propose general ideas which may have different ways or perfomance