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The United States isn't that stupid, yet.
Pretty sure Russia is the stupid one for thinking they could even stand a chance against our superior military and technology. I also doubt this will escalate into a nuclear war since the whole point of the conflict would be a show of intolerance for the use of chemical weapons/WMDs. We shall see, though. We shall see.
Yuri, wake up!
Not going to happen Def. So don't even try.
"Superior" Military -and- technology? As far as technology goes, its really not as big an advantage as what you might expect, and it's not an advantage as easily held either. Whats more important is the tactics and intelligence behind the military, which is exactly what allowed the allies to succeed in WWII. Not technological or military supremacy
Don't forget Vietnam. It's slowly fading from social conciousness, but you can't let it!
Remember, America may have superior chess pieces, but it is Russia that has the master chess players.
(Soviet Cold War military theory stress superiority of training at the highest level because they are more likely to survive long enough (in a nuclear war that is) for their training to pay off)
I said that "we shall see" which implies what I said before that was an opinion and I'm ultimately on the fence about the whole thing. I love how one gets downvote trolled to death for stating an opinion even though one admits that it is an opinion and that they are open to see what actually happens. I thought this was a debate group, not another "downvote to win argument" group. Also, Russia is apparently on board with us now as they asked for proof of chemical weapons use. Therefore this chart is actually invalid now. China is the one who would be likely to attempt to get in the way now, as futile an attempt that would be.
The first part of the post isn't exactly stated like an opinion =/
Opinions on facts can be wrong.
Its a little difficult to judge the tone of the written word. Anyway it was just an opinion and I thought I had made that obvious. I have difficulty putting my way of thinking into words that other people understand in proper context. Sometimes people don't even understand my tone or words when I'm speaking aloud and try to interpret what I said even then. My voice is very monotone and lacks some emotion and I guess my thought process and the way I translate that thought process into words happens to be the same way. My apologies. Does this make any sense at all? lol
Sorry if I'm not being clear enough, but I think I understand what you were saying. My point is, an opinion on something like your favorite flavour of ice cream is one thing, your opinion on whether or not water is wet is another. Just because something is an "opinion" doesn't mean it's "right" or safe from criticism. And the only reason I would have downvoted you isn't so much because of your opinion on the issue in Syria, but because of your attitude towards your own military.
Ever since WWII, the USA has been more interested in expanding their own military than keeping good relations with their neighbors. The cold war wasn't inevitable, and if FDR had stayed in office the US and the USSR could have been strong trading partners. Both countries spent billions on developing space flight, only to come to the same result.
There is also the incident with the Avro Arrow right here in Canada where the US started bullying our military because we had developed more advanced fighter craft. The list of shady things and bone head moves done by your own government goes on and on. Even now, Vietnam is slowly being forgotten, it's knowledge suppressed because it's inconvenient to your countries pride. Too many Americans would rather forget history than admit all the wrong their country has done. All in the name of patriotism.
Edit: I was trying to type this up quick so sorry if I'm bit frank.
@T65: Whether or not the post's content is all correct is entirely irrelevant. It's no excuse to go karma-trolling someone's post, regardless of your stance on it.
Just gonna say this, the 2 great powers are now china and USA no longer russia.
They are pretty close to becoming one again.
Amazing as it may sound, Russia's not quite dumb enough to stumble right into a major war.
China will sell out to whoever works in their best favor, so we're at little risk.
The biggest problem is that at this point, the chances of America's economy making it through war are getting quite slim. It would be one thing if they only had Syria to deal with, but that's not the case. Iran has already made it quite clear that if the US gets involved, so will they. Both Iran and Syria are part of a very intricate web of politics that's been in the making for decades. Were military confrontation to occur in this region, this could turn into a bloodbath.
It's not about Russia stumbling into war. Russia sent those ships as warning. They don't need to open fire on US ships, but they may help to shoot down missiles. Also aircrafts if they were officially asked to help to keep Syrian airspace, nobody can do anything about it.
I feel like everyone is forgetting China. China has also said that they are going to get involved if america launches military action.
Also I find the double standards of the american government laughable. they are 100% fine with the rebels using gas but the second it is "alleged" the the government uses it they are ready to launch missiles.
This is all one big game to the U.S they want to get at Iran because it is fighting against the Oil dollar the last thing keeping the U.S economy going.
Everyone is forgetting China because China hasn't really interfered in the affairs of foreign nations far from them (the ones close to them... well that's a different story) in a military fashion since the Ming Dynasty.
Of course this is all a big game, if you see modern world politics as a bunch of teens playing some 4x strategy game just about everything would start to make sense...
The Chinese government will say what they like for the sake of public apperances, but ultimately, we rely too much on the dollar to even consider angering the US. The dollar needs China to survive, and China needs the dollar until they can start selling more oil with RMB. For now, it's in China's best interest to maintain friendly relations with the US, although that could easily change in the future.
One thing America has going for it is Allies. The Russians ****** off a lot off people by being ******** and occupying their nations in the Cold War. America was all 'FREEDOM, YEAH!' which kinda won people over.
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After Cuban Missile crisis, this is the first time the two great powers became so close to military confrontation. Could it really blow way out of proportion?