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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

It's ironic that Robert E Lee, the most famous Confederate believed that slavery was simply a step, an evil one but still just a step that would one day end and lead to bringing about racial harmony, while Lincoln thought that segregation was the only way.

But while It is interesting to hear some of the more damning quotes from our presidents, even though many were products of their time and radical for their time, I cannot help but be shocked by the conclusion Mr. Taylor makes.

He finishes the video by telling me to look around and look at the news to see the answer to which view is better, yet I look and I see bigger causes, I see national debt run up by wars and still unpaid from WW2, a time which he implied we still held the "correct view" I see needless foreign interventions starving our coffers, yet these have been launched by white and black skinned politicians. I see government welfare programs and regulations wasting money and crushing those who want to produce, I see bailouts for businesses that should fail, I see a disgusting rot in that the population, of all colors relying on government.

To blame race is like seeing a bloody body and arresting the nearest person, perhaps he is guilty, or perhaps he's not, and if he's not guilty and you hang him anyway, all you've done is let the real killer get away.

Yes, a lot of the black community is a drain on our resources, but a lot isn't.
It's an anecdote but I've seen a black man in a professional suit, working hard and with a well-dressed and polite family, the picture of an American businessman, and I've seen a chain-smoking white woman living in a disgusting trailer surrounded by utter filth, filth of her and her children's own making. A scene that turned my stomach.

Simply blaming race for an ill, sounds to me like an attempt to find a scapegoat because you're unable to tackle the real and complex problem, you're unable to face that America, despite all the good it has done, has some failings. You're unable to fathom that, like a human body after reaching maturity, it has slowly been deteriorating for a long long time.

What's your solution? Segregation again? What will that accomplish save for making you feel good until you realize that nothing has actually been solved? The Race war is not the problem in this country, Politicians who use the race war to pull strings and turn us against each other, politicians who sit in ivory towers dictating their whims to us, knowing that we won't notice because we're too busy squabbling over the petty issues they distract us with, is what is destroying this country.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

I forgot to mention before but races are different based on the genetics, soul and spirit. I've added this to my answers previously. I'm still in the process of compiling the best works on race with regards to soul & spirit - but the stuff on behavior and genetics should be good enough for now.
The Soul is the collective mental and behavioral traits of a race - how we think and this is manifested through action. Spirit is as Evola said it "varying attitude towards the spiritual, supra-human, and divine world, as expressed in the form of speculative systems, myths, and symbols, & the diversity of religious experience itself."
We have similar kinds of instinctual mental predispositions (be it sexual desire or anger) but they are manifested externally differently by race and consequently we prioritize, respect, interpret and understand them differently - hence archetypes, forms, concepts, values/virtues reflect a race (as I've said, with differences based on the current age or "current year" due to the strength of our link to the past or nature).
Yes the answer is segregate different natural categories of people into different nations - it is either that or destruction.

"Simply blaming race for an ill, sounds to me like an attempt to find a scapegoat because you're unable to tackle the real and complex problem, you're unable to face that America, despite all the good it has done, has some failings."

No, I've explained everything yesterday. Its based on history, genetics, character, spiritual ideals and simple facts as a result of observable behavior - ALL external manifestations from the inherent natures of races. Ignoring that (which is required to believe in liberalism, marxism or civic nationalism) is the actual problem - because ideology doesn't change nature, nature then has its way in the end regardless.

"-I see national debt run up by wars and still unpaid from WW2, a time which he implied we still held the "correct view"
-I see needless foreign interventions starving our coffers, yet these have been launched by white and black skinned politicians.
-see government welfare programs and regulations wasting money and crushing those who want to produce,
-I see bailouts for businesses that should fail, "

These contribute as problems of their own yes, but that says nothing about nature. America never held the correct view because it started out materialist not traditional.
The correct policy of 95% European immigration only wouldn't last because the principles of the declaration of independence was already cucked & taken on faith that all men are created equal. All that was required is subsversive elements like Neo-Cons, Cultural Marxist Frankfurt School, Feminism & Communism (all started by Jews) to help push that to the forefront. All it required is someone to exploit pre-existing tensions between races, or make blacks/mestizo's think that whites are to blame for their own failings. Any arguments liberals made (which made sense in the 60's i.e that the minorities just didn't have the opportunities to excel) are totally transparent & ignorant now.

"-I see a disgusting rot in that the population, of all colors relying on government."

If you don't understand race then you don't understand the problem. If you want to blame handouts for all the problems then you'll see the r/K selection theory shows that r selection is MUCH HIGHER in blacks/mestizo's than in whites or asians. These problems persist and exist when compared between races REGARDLESS of income level, education history or class.

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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

Is the soul the collective of a race? Or simply a group? Homogeny between those with compatible morality and ethics is far stronger of a bond than skin color. You think that race guarantees comradery? Europe has been a battleground since it was first settled. The Civil war was whites with one type of moral fighting whites with a different set of morals. The Revolutionary war, whites vs whites, Napoleon's wars were Whites vs Whites, the first world war was fought between. white empires. China, Japan, Korea, Asian nations with bloody history and turning on people of their own race. And why? Because it wasn't race, it was ideas, "My King is divine and yours is not" "My morals are better than yours" "My need of those resources are greater than yours"

Let me ask you, which would you rather have as your neighbor, a white militant Communist, or a peaceful conservative Latino family? Who is a better business partner, a piece of white trash who gets his high gambling every penny away and lives in self-made misery, or a kind black man who works hard and is reliable?
Because despite how the media tries to portray the world in black victims and white kings, the reality is that there are many in all colors in all levels of income and success, and even if you are statistically right, there is a half above average and a half below.

You toss away my statements about why our country is in such hell, by just saying "These contribute as problems of their own yes, but that says nothing about nature."
These are not simple problems that you can wave away. As an example, you may point out that black people rely more on government, but that's because we let them with the welfare system. If we cut that if we destroyed it and removed the regulatory nightmare that stifles opportunities than either, A: They would die out. Or B: They would grow and become productive.

Our country is in economic and political turmoil, you can't simply write every problem off to a race war when race wars didn't decide if we bailed out banks, race wars didn't decide to involve ourselves in WW1, Race did not decide to create a Central Bank.

All men are created equal in the eyes of God, what we do and what morals we allow to be taught define us. An Asian Child raised in an American family is more American than white Child raised in an Asian nation. Why? Because they are raised with American values and morals.

The subversive elements are that we became lax, in our prosperity we forgot why we were prosperous, the decentralized state that allowed business to thrive and economic growth to occur. A monetary system that sucks the value out of our wealth, and you can say "It's the Jews" about that, but you know what, not every Jew is in on it, in fact I'd be willing to bet that a vast majority of Jews have no idea about it, in fact the Jews I know voted Trump and are firmly conservative. So instead of simply saying "The Jews are to blame" Why don't you blame the actual people doing it? Target your attack against those responsible, not the race.

You say America should be traditional, yet we already have examples of several nations that were so obsessed with Tradition, that they sent bow-men against Battleships. History is to be learned from and grow from, and while Tradition is a valuable asset, if you are blinded by it, you will stagnate. You will make choices not because they are good, but because it's tradition.

My suggestion, cut the Handouts and let natural selection take its course, and let those who want to continue enabling the addition of free money with the welfare system pay for their own charities out of their own pockets.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

I pointed you to this ages ago but it seems you have ignored it. Next time go through all of this first. So I'll post it again:

Race realism is a way of explaining inherent differences between races. Whether its differences in IQ (even the most wealthy black person is barely as smart as the poorest white person & does poorly academically):
Jbhe.com
Infoplease.com
Thealternativehypothesis.org

The severe crime rates are correlated with the concentration of blacks in cities: Smg.photobucket.com
Amren.com

Proof that poverty does not explain the lack of success amongst blacks, because Blacks are much more likely to be violent REGARDLESS of income level:
Link.springer.com

And some books on the subject:

Why Race Matters by Michael Levin
On Genetic Interests: Family, Ethnicity, and Humanity in an Age of Mass Migration by Frank Kemp Salter

Also one on r/K selection theory:
Anonymous Conservative - 'The Evolutionary Psychology Behind Politics'

Some classics on race:
Carleton Putnam - 'Race and Reason: A Yankee View' & 'Race and Reality: A Search for Solutions'

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

"To blame race is like seeing a bloody body and arresting the nearest person"

I've got a easy example of that being merely liberal rhetoric. The victims that say that the black guy did the crime in the National Crime Victimization Survey (NCVS), correlates with the arrest rates of blacks. Basically, black people are slightly under-represented in jails - they just commit a disproportionate amount of crime. Particularly armed robbery and rape.

"It's ironic that Robert E Lee, the most famous Confederate believed that slavery was simply a step, an evil one but still just a step that would one day end and lead to bringing about racial harmony, while Lincoln thought that segregation was the only way"

Slavery is dangerous PERIOD, the slaves rise up and destroy their masters either by force as in Haiti, reducing our birth rates by taking all the manual labor that our working class people require, large non-white birth rates resulting in their numbers giving them power or by race-mixing (America has seen the latter three but only slightly).

This displaced unborn whites in America, by performing part of the unskilled labor, he made unborn millions unnecessary, and therefore this great mass of Africans has reduced the population of America by ten per cent, between 1800 - 1948, and between then and now as a result of welfare & low-skilled work by a further five per cent.

Rationalism did not understand even the simple organic phenomenon of a crowd, much less the higher forms of people, race, nation, culture. It never occurred to the Liberals that since these tensions & conflicts throughout 5,000 years of history between races has always occurred, never a decade goes by without a racial conflict - that there was any necessity at work. Liberals cannot understand instinct, cyclical history or racial reality. To liberals a race riot is a manifestation of lack of “education,” of “tolerance” eighty years ago. Now its about "privilege" or "racism". Thus understanding race, culture, nation and history beyond talking points are part of the answer. Understanding authority and spirituality may come later. Problem is that academia is controlled by liberals for the past four to six decades so we cannot simply rely on what they say.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

The idea that leftists attempted nationalism doesn't scare me because nationalism has existed for thousands of years and worked in minimizing things like race riots, internal conflict and genocides - sure there was still wars but to say that we can "eradicate wars" is liberal utopianism. Nationalism was practiced its just it was informally called citizenship amongst Romans & Greeks - and for everyone else it was called tribalism, monoculturalism, ethnic religion or indigenous religion based on racial identity, common history, living in a particular location for a long period and organizing society based on in-group preferences, gender roles, caste's, hierarchy, authority and meritocracy. Arguing against whats tried and true for hundreds of thousands of years is one hell of a biased position. That however is a discussion for the Tribalism video.

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

Here are some "hate facts" for you guys in case anyone here still is pro-islam, pro-feminist, pro-liberal race denialism & 'equality', pro-diversity/open borders, or pro-zionist: Archive.is
Thanks to a anonymous user for pointing it out to me.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

Thanks.

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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

"Sure there were still wars" Yeah, there were a lot of wars, in fact you can look at the Wikipedia list of wars and a vast majority of them are due to one country's leader, enabled by the nationalistic blind obedience of the population, deciding he wanted to take over another country.
World War One, one of the most brutal wars in history was one of Nationalistic pride. So it's more than just there were still wars.
No, war will never be eradicated, because it's not race that divides us, but morals, values, and the unchecked power of corrupt leaders.

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

Thats power, power is taken and not given (usually) and it to this day is the only main form of legitimacy. Without that you get corrupt politicians working for both sides of the fence because nobody has to believe in anything or tell the truth. The best way to know someone believes in what they say is fhtey are willing to lay their life on the line, if they don't then they'll lack courage, honor and conviction.

Right is gained by conquest. Fire and Sword. Thats where royalty got it from, they earned their power and thats the only reason why people accepted taxes & some regulations. Alot of men fought alongside royalty and that was what earned respect, land, resources and women. What you attribute to nationalism is actually LAWS of politics. Which empires (more than anything) had to follow due to their nature of growing larger by requirement (they use up alot of resources & create urban locations that house very large populations). Empires grow bigger and produce conflict by necessity HENCE the laws of politics come into play much more frequently. For instance another law (the most fundamental one) is a power vacuum must be consolidated.

Democracies and leftist ones are just as likely to use violent actions to get what they want and use violence on their own people e.g Communism. Specifically against other races & ethnicities when the racial tensions get out of hand or crime gets really bad as a result. Look no further than Anti-Fa and BLM. Nationalists tend not to because they value their own. When lefitsts begin to devour their own they use labels, when they deem certain people not equal enough (i.e racists, privileged, bigoted). Communists called people not materalist enough.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

"When lefitsts begin to devour their own"

Yes, thats exactly it. It goes way more than just leftists starting the largest wars! Fire and sword is something I'd like to borrow as a motto from now on.

"For instance another law (the most fundamental one) is a power vacuum must be consolidated."

It goes further than that. When something enters the political realm, like religious, economic, moral, racial or cultural reasons for a war, then those reasons cease to be those things and instead become political. Which means that they then conform to the logic of warfare and to expediency of gaining and maintaining power. Thus the reasons may start out of 'good vs bad' or 'truth vs falsehood' but then they are about what you mentioned; land, women and resources. If you fight a war but have not gained power, that necessarily means that you lost power because armies where defeated and someone had to gain territory, tax base and political control instead.

'In any age, the amount of power in a State system is constant, and if one organic unit is diminished in power, another unit, or other units are increased in power by the same amount. If a statesman, entrusted with the destiny of a State, moves with the sure consciousness of mastery which a feeling for organic laws confers upon him, he can never choose for the enemy of his State a power which his State cannot defeat, for such a power would not be a real enemy... the power which his own State would lose, in a war it could not win, would merely be transferred to some other power, either the one wrongly chosen as enemy, or a third power... [this is the] Law of Constancy of Inter-Organismic Power' ~Yockey, from Imperium.

'The power within an organism is constant, and if individuals, groups, or ideas within the organism are diminished in power, some other individuals, groups, or ideas are increased in power by that amount. This Law of Constancy of Intra-Organismic
Power is existential.' ~Yockey, from Imperium.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

'The Law of Totality: Any contrast, opposition, or hostility whatever existing within groups among the organism may become political in its nature, if it reaches the point where a group or a unit feels another group, class or stratum to be a real enemy. For such a unit to arise within an organism is for the possibility of civil war to be present, or a severe crisis in the organism, which renders the organism liable to damage or extinction from without.

Therefore, every organism, by its very existence, has the characteristic that it assumes power over the determination of all issues... Economic, social, religious, educational, legal, technical, recreational... all of these things are subject to political determination.' ~Yockey, from Imperium.

'The Law of Sovereignty: is the inner necessity of organic existence which places the decision in every important juncture with the organism, as opposed to allowing any group within to make the decision. An important juncture is any one which affects the organism as a whole, its steering in the world, its choice of allies and enemies, the decision of war and peace, its inner peace, its unchallenged inner right to decide controversies. If any of these can be called into question, it is a sign that the organism is sick.

In the healthy organism, this sovereignty is absolutely undisputed, and may continue so for centuries. But a new age with new interests may raise contrasts which the rulers do not grasp; they may blunder, and find themselves on the defensive in a civil war. The challenge of the sovereignty of the organism was the first symptom of crisis.' ~Yockey, from Imperium.

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

If you do not increase power then you will not be able to maintain it. And thus lose in the battle of ideas, morals, values, religion or Worldview - as in a way of life and holistic approach to viewing reality. Its not so much the type of govt, certainly one based on natural law would be superior to one that does not, but more about whether men of Character are in power or not. That is largely determined by their ability to Sacrifice blood and property, commitment to Duty, ingrained culture of public/civil service, individual responsibility, loyalty, determination, discipline & bonds of kinship, fatherland, race, ethnicity (typically called blood and soil) are maintained. Prussianism and Socialism by Oswald Spengler pretty much destroys liberalism & outlines why we must move on beyond the British/Viking view of the world which only breeds selfishness, economic obsession and degeneracy. The Germans had the right idea. We have to stop demonizing Germans & accept a superior Worldview: Chechar.wordpress.com

Race divides us because that determines culture, strength of the people, technological progress, intelligence, understanding of virtues and a overall sense of personhood and belonging. I'm pretty sure there would be no western civilization PERIOD without whites (Creativity comes from the Aryan race, its hardly skin color):
En.metapedia.org
S04.justpaste.it

While the book the information has on white Europeans basically ALMOST SINGLE HANDEDLY creating everything we enjoy today (and that we take for granted), it has a fairly mixed attempt at defending the objective standards of scientific objectivity philosophically, but as a statistical report its a incredible achievement at synthesizing a giant new database of information AND it does exactly what we need. Which is producing a EXTREMELY POSITIVE view of western society, thinking in terms of greatness and recognising the achievements of Europeans AND great thinkers and pioneers (which has been degraded in academia and contributed to US decline). While it is true that the truly great thinkers are very rare, the fact that the vast majority of the scientific inventories (covering a wide range of subjects) at ~97% are created by white Europeans or European Americans, 98% of which are males. Apart from a small number of meta-inventions (by Arabic scholars) that are required for numerology, whites also invented the logic necessary for future progress (yes Greeks are white Europeans). Each of the inventory topics also have listed out significant events and people (those which are recognized in ATLEAST 50% of the biographical sources or chronologies/timetables listed for that topic). This is a total repudiation of race denialism if I've ever saw it, if the Heartiste Formulation didn't provide mountains of evidence that such a civic nationalist society cannot work, then just look at Brazil, Algeria, former Yugoslavia and Pakistan for the final nail in the coffin and the repeated attempts at trying to civilize Africa.

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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

I acknowledge that Blacks do commit a disproportional amount of crimes, but that wasn't the point. The point is that rather than see all the many, many contributing factors to a problem, you or at least many racial supremacists instead point at race and blame it. Countless politicians in history have used this, they blame the problems of the country one someone else, a different race, a different religion, a different nation, and all of a sudden the people forget that politician's nasty and corrupt deeds to instead be directed into war or at least blaming the wrong person for their misfortune.

Slavery is also immoral and evil. Even Biblical slavery was a voluntary thing that was limited as a debt collection and forgiven after several years.

Not a decade goes by without any type of conflict, and yes that includes racial, but often race is more of an excuse that the politicians and leaders make to justify the hate needed to kill. World War 2 wasn't a racial war, yet that didn't mean that when the Japanese were doing what European powers had done for years and desperately hit Peral Harbor trying to get more fuel that America didn't use racism to motive people to fight. Or that they didn't call the Germans "Huns" and portray them as racially evil.
Yes the Liberals today are insane, they allow the Identity of Islam to flourish and even silence those in Islam that want reforms. The Liberals today don't know reality, they pander and coddle Blacks and other minority races, feeding them welfare like a drug, because they know that they will get votes for it, as long as they keep the black people stupid and trapped, never let them grow or thrive, they can keep them voting for them.

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

Western culture and values is liberalism and consumerism which is whats destroying the west WHICH are completely devoid of EUROPEAN culture and values which is what I fight for. Applying equality to the whole world that is the problem. Marxism and progressivism all seem to undermine religion, racial homogeneity and culture. Without tradition we are all mindless consumers easily manipulated by the elite which inevitably leads towards open borders and free trade that will decimate a country. Which is whats going on right now in the west. Liberalism i.e equality, universalism and hyper individualism is what leads to SJW's and Marxism taking over.

It wouldn't work if BOTH liberals and Marxists weren't agreeing on all these presuppositions - that all people are created equal - which is used to argue that races and genders are equal i.e Marxism. That leads all sexuality being legalized in institutions like marriage. Then they argue that all cultures are equal, that morals are relative instead of sacred and use economic arguments to open up the borders & stuff about America belonging to the world - that everyone is allowed in to America. Use history to bash white people as uniquely evil. Those allowed in can stay in America and gain citizenship e.g Dream Act. Its exactly the attitude of ignoring tangible differences between collectives that allows this to occur, then using the law as a way to enforce progressive affirmative action & diversity, hence collectives then once they are in the country work as a group to push institute policies that favor them like hispanic or black related housing/education grants. WHICH leads to nothing but the STATE to replace everything of value that was destroyed by Marxism. Marxists wouldn't have any foothold to work their poison otherwise.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

"Pearl Harbor trying to get more fuel that America didn't use racism to motive people to fight."

Yeah they used economic terrorism instead to create a oil embargo, causing Japan to lose 70% of its income which was reliant on that oil. Also the US did in fact demonize the Germans and Japanese - making them out to be inhumane rapists and genocidal maniacs. Which was not true. Your using one of the most lied about wars between brothers waged by Communists, Zionists and Liberals (leftists) as proof that some wars aren't racial? We also have examples of religious wars that where between brothers (like Islamic wars between Sunni and Shia and Christian crusades between European people like Baltic, Cathar, & Second Swedish crusades, also the 4th Crusade sacked Orthodox church in Constantinople). But your clearly ignoring that modern wars have been absolutely devastating to Europe and waged by leftists and ignoring the largely racial element of many other wars throughout history. Malfis has made the right critique in that the nature of politics is the fight between ideals & consolidating power. Its not using race or tradition/identity as a 'excuse' but as one of many reasons to allow an ideal to win. Which are to an extent expressions of race - whether its spirit or soul (a natural category of differences). Ideas don't win simply by persuasion alone, there would be no such thing as politics if that was the case. If power brings about victory then that makes it right, strength is legitimate which is where the saying "fire and sword" comes from, not necessarily whether they had truth on their side.

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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

Of the links you've sent, several are statistics I've already acknowledged, one is a 40$ PDF I'm not spending money on, and one doesn't work.

I've acknowledged these statistics, but as a wise man once said “There are three types of lies -- lies, damn lies, and statistics.”
What do I mean by that? Statistics are numbers, the conclusion you draw from them is not always the same one I or someone else will draw from them.

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

You can sign up here and download it for the Black crime stuff: Researchgate.net
Here is the Color of Crime thing by AmRen: Amren.com

I just googled the names based on the links that where above XD

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MalfistheMerciless Creator
MalfistheMerciless

There is no racial discrimination in the criminal justice system, the higher prison sentences and black men convicted is completely accounted for when taking into account both self-reported violent history and IQ. That nails it more home in case socio-economic status wasn't enough.
Sciencedirect.com

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Foxhounde
Foxhounde

Besides, as a final note, I would point out that, if your conclusions are right about all these racial issues, then White people will soon be the black people to Asians as they with their statistical advantage are destined to become the master race.

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TheUnbeholden Author
TheUnbeholden

No because we have creativity on our side, most civilisations where created by Europeans and most inventions where too. When I say most I mean 98%-99%. Its detailed in 'Charles Murray - 'Human Accomplishment: The Pursuit of Excellence in the Arts and Sciences'. The only way we can lose if we choose to take pacifism and weakness. Europeans have always dominated naturally as a result of that. We also had the best virtues and the strongest warriors, its because our closest ancestors are the Neanderthals who where the best hunters the world has ever seen. Only reason we still aren't them is because of alot of race-mixing with the farming asians and darker populations. The problem was these populations heavily outnumbered the hunters so their genes became dominant. If that trend continues it will be Islam that takes the world - not Asia. They have 7-8 children per family. Asians have about the same birthrates in industrialized countries and only slightly higher in S/S.E Asia. The 'master race' could be white people if we can overcome modernity, restore tradition and bring birthrates back up because then it will combine with our inherent technological/cerebral advantages.
Heres a interesting video on our ancestors: Youtube.com

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The Racial Consciousness of U.S. Statesmen

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