Semi-realistic fighter scale image - Empire At War Remake: Galactic Civil War mod for Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption

It's hard enough to move around capital ships as it is. Making them any larger would just wreck playability. You would likely have to increase ranges to compensate, which would cause even more instability given the inability to zoom out more or even if that was resolved, bigger maps mean more lag.

Now, of course, shrinking captial ships would reduce all of these current issues, but would essentially remove fighters from the game (which I would be in favor of, but it would have to be done carefully. ) Let me explain: I would much rather have starfighters be passive affects on the battlefield, since micromanaging hundreds of squadrons (being canonically accurate) along with dozens of captial ships is just a little silly and impractical. Take land battles for example. Each stardestroyer had contingents based in the stardestroyer. I would completely remove the ability to manufacture most land units, having their availability dependent on what Garrison buildings the defender has or what/how many capital ships the attacker has in orbit. It makes no sense to make land units separately. I mean, how can a vsdii coat 3800 and an atat cost 1200? Considering a vsdii carries several of them... Land battles should be about tactics and macroeconmy not microeconomics. True, destroyed units would have to be replaced, but I think this should be automatic, I would be fine with them being taken out of the income of players, but their costs should all be drastically reduced. Losing a land battle? Not expensive. What is the true expensive consequence? Losing the planet. Losing a fleet? Devastating. Even more devastating is the loss of the trade route or planetary space.

Sorry for the long post, just got carried away.

I always thought it was dumb that you couldn't garrison ground units in your capitol ships... I am surprised that there is no mods that have added that ability... Must be hard to code or mod that into the game...

you'd have to setup every land unit as a minor hero, then they'll hitch a ride in a ship

How would one even go around to do it?

I am certainly interested for my personal version of RaW (currently adding planets from the UGC and Z3r0x mod and moving everything close to their legends galactic position :P)

Ah, so it's not like how RaW does it (making the transport a ship) or how some heroes are attached to ships.

Damn, those I know and are easy, others not so much xD

I believe that is how the Thrawn's Revenge team have treated Land-battle Tie Fighter support in the 2.2 demo. I guess that would work to a certain extent. But I am not sure how you would get around the space unit destruction if the land portion is destroyed.

I was envisioning something along these lines, but I have not delved deep enough into the code to even know if it would be possible. Additionally, this would dramatically change the nature of the game, effectively making the galactic map about managing economy and fleets and bases, limiting land units to just the land-base battles.
1) Normal land units are effectively removed from the galactic map. All their costs are reduced to 10% or such (will see impact in point 3).
2) When in a land battle, the assaulter is given reinforcement options based on what ships they have in orbit. For example, a Victory II (according to wookipedia) has 1600 troops, 15 ATSTs, and 10 ATATs. Now, for playability, we would obviously have to translate, so maybe 4 stormtrooper battalions, 2 ATST, and 1 ATAT. These troops would be available in the reinforcement tab. If you had 2 VSIIs in orbit, it would be 8 ST battalions, 4 ATSTs, and 2 ATATs. And so on.
3) Deploying reinforcements will still cost money, just much less - in line with the more commonly reduced cost of turrets and other land-based defenses. This small cost is the effective "replacement cost" of the unit for the ship it is being deployed from. (admittedly, AI would need massive tweaks. Also, repeated assaults, so long as money existed, would be possible as new assault armies would not have to be created. This could be fixed by a timer initiating upon the completion of a land battle that would prevent another land battle until it was done counting down. Not sure if that is possible)
4) on the flip-side, defenders are completely dependent on buildings for garrisonable defense - respawns are possible from the buildings during battle, but in galactic mode, units are auto-created based upon built garrison buildings. These land units can be arranged on the land map by the defender, but cannot be moved off-planet. This gives defenders
For example, the Empire has two barracks, a light factory, a heavy factory, a "super" heavy factory, and an academy. Thus, the garrison would be two stormtrooper battalions, two bike trooper battalions, an ATST battalion., a 2-m (saber) tank battalion, and SPMA-T battalion. (in theory, this would mean that some imperial units would be more difficult or impossible to get, or would vary more depending on tech level... such as the impossibility of having an ATAT for defense other than Veers. Even so, this could be structured in such a way as to make sense since the ATAT was an assault vehicle. Even in Rogue one, the defending walkers on Scarif were AT-ACTs, not ATATs.)
All in all, I recognize that this would not be a perfect system, but I feel it would make far more sense, at least for the imperials. And even if it were a system only for them, it would help a lot to diversify between factions rather than having "cloned factions". The great might of the empire should not be concerned about losing waves upon waves of troops. The Rebellion on the other hand, well, it needs to be a lot more careful with the ones it has. Thus, I am for changes like this for these reasons succinctly: gameplay, canonicity, and realism. I try to acknowledge issues I notice, and really would dig around the code myself if it was something I could make time for.

Capital ships are already containers of sorts. That's why you can get heroes to ride in them with the line

<Attach_To_Flagship_During_Space_Battle> Yes </Attach_To_Flagship_During_Space_Battle>

In the xml. I can get infantry and ground vehicles to ride in them by adding that you their entries in GroundInfantry.xml and GroundVehicles.xml, but it does funky things with the icons of heroes.

I'll keep toying with it on my personal mod and see if I can find a solution that doesn't mess up the icons.

Interesting. I could see how the icon thing would be annoying. Perhaps an easy solution is to give the space icon for land units just a transparent square. Thus, the game would still render it, but players would not be able to see it. However, it might still highlight upon selection. Additionally, I am not sure if it is possible to distinguish between icons in space and icons otherwise (galactic/land).

That's what it already does, except it leaves a blank space for each infantry unit, rather than each company. All in all, it shifts the hero icons way to the left. It wouldn't be too bad if it was for each company instead of each unit. Still investigating.

Just an update on that idea... it didn't work. Decided to abandon that idea.

I'm now looking into making capital ships like Garm's gargantuan for transport shuttles, where you can manually make the transport shuttles enter them, sort of like the bunkers. I have it to the point that it looks like it will work, but doesn't.

fighters are a big part of the star wars universe and so can not be removed from the game. otherwise the game would be called star destroyers the game.

the rebellion need the fighters to be able to compete with the empire and while im not a big fan of "spam fighters!" its what the rebellion does. in fact the rebels generally playas the exact opisite of the empire with a cheap fighters are your heavy firepower with other ships in a supporting role. which explains why there fighters and bombers are so superb while there other ships tend to be subpar.

the empire plays with the large ships are main damage source with the various ties as support to the point that while the tie series are so pathetic in comparison of the rebel or pirate fighters they are extremely flexible with various tie types filling every support role possible.

the zann consortium plays somewhere in the middle. they have ships that while they cant go toe to toe with Imperial ships (really they can hold the line for a few minutes and hold them there for a support wing to warp into a flanking point and grind the empire out, normallly with fighters) will also decimate the rebels large ships, and while there fighters are weaker the the rebellions they can decimate the empires fighters. the zhann consortium really uses it ability to win the day. they are so odd and of unique ability that they can win the day if applied correctly

also land battles are the hidden gem of this game really and its so unbalanced "rebel artillery spam go!" that im sad to see many mods either ignore, or even worst make it up so it looks and plays terrible.

that said to balance the land battles are that is needed is to add tank hunter/arty hunter units and work on the turrent system to make defence more able to resist "im going to sit back and slowly spam bombing runs and orbital strikes" kinda gameplay

maybe a shield generator unit for the rebel (and remove the abilty for bombs and orbital strikes to land next to it and still pop the generator or whats inside) and a similar unit for the empire. pirates just cant afford to have such tech im fairly sure.

Where in the world is that stated? I've never read any lore or statement that calls for the ship to be 23ms.

EDIT: So the A4 variant is apparently 16 meters, not the standard version.

Pretty certain J didnt down vote me but who ever did, i got one ship length wrong. Sheesh

lol

Still interesting how the A4 variant of the y wing is 16 meters long vs the 23 var

well there's always this 5% :D

Have you thought about using another mod's (e.g. Battlefront commander) models for the ground portion? I know it wouldn't necessarily be up to your standards but it would probably satisfy the people who want the ground side improved without burning up too much of your time and energy. :)

Ground needs A LOT more than a makeover. If anything the makeover will be the easy part.

Well obviously yeah but giving the ground stuff a cosmetic makeover would at least make the mod a complete remake even if he never got around to modding the ground side of things (which wouldn't surprise me, jeroenimo has talked of stopping working in the mod before.)

have to agree the Ground combat is really the only grating part of this mod.

Agreed, it'd be great to see some improvement with the ground.

Shouldn't be to hard. The basic cockpit can work for the TIE/LN, TIE/IN, and TIE/X-1. The glass and wing connectors can then be reused for the TIE/SA and TIE/SR.