USA Armor class too powerfull Thread - WIC: Modern Warfare Mod for World in Conflict

Like in title USA tanks are too power full so 1 Abrams can win with 2-3 T-90 what is soooo stupid. RU T-90 can be defeated by 2 AT shells when Abrams can take 3-4 shells. So please balance this because USA almost always win when Armor vs Armor.

have tried using flanking maneuvers or using the t-80? You should note that Russia's amour is cheaper to field especially the t-80, additionaly 1 missile from an at inf squad will take out an abrams

Edited by: automatkas

Well yes but inf squads in most of the maps wont surive more than 1 min. ok thx for reply now im gonna spam T-80

ok try T-80, but they get OWNED by M1A2 by anyway i try flanking but they finish me off before i get thier back...
And its almost impossible to take off USA armor by Ataka missiles because APS will take it off,when russian armor are getting owned by hellfires.

Edited by: pilot99

the at inf usually you put them into bmp -2/3s and move toward tanks fire you at missile pop the smoke and disembark the inf, they usually survive longer this way

usually inadvisable to take tanks out of the air defense umbrella. Flanking doesn't necessarily mean hitting the back armour even though abram's back armour is pathetic. the side armour on the Abrams is much softer than the front. Also note abrams aps only has 4 rounds so send missile or projectiles in the general direction to deplete it and reameber to use smokes and back out into the smoke charging will get you nowhere

Edited by: automatkas

So i need to fire 5 ataka missiles to kill APS & Abrams? ok thx for response

i think it is fine as it is, more so with the incoming T64B spam...

The powerful regimental spam of T-64B, backed up by T-80U will solve all of our armor problems (just need to find a way to fight through the swarm of ATGM spam).

you just need lots of arty to supress atgm shooters still i doupt the rpg will easily penetrate frontal armour so fire teams will not be all that effective. tow2 will be a very valid threat though.

AT-4/RPG's will just bounce off of front armor, except RPG-29, which still fails to penetrate but nevertheless does inflict enough damage through front armor to warrant caution.

TOW and Javelins are annoying however.. Especially since Javelin is usually setup to ambush you in areas you didn't expect.

Hm you see i wonder what will happen to the t80/t90 and t64 balance if you can have a tank which is cheaper but diliveres the same firepower. Sure it will be less protected (i asume), but the main threats - m1/apachi will kill you anyway. So might just as well go for the zerg rush of sorts...

We're testing the concept and it works better than initially thought.

The T-64's are used to capture cp's and advance. The T-90 sits slightly behind the back, targeting from long range, while T-64's take the fire.

Hm so why get t90/80 at all? Is firecontrol different on the t64b?

Because T-64 dies too quickly.

And yes, T-90, T-80 fire control are more modern in game.

Hm maybe add long range ir sensors to the m1a2/t90/t80? Ie they could have a good range of vision and penetrate regular smoke cover (not shtora and the likes, who use aerosoles)

So you will use your t80u (uk maybe?) / t90 as a comand tank with support of the t64b?

Curent t80 variant is T80UA i think, where we upgraded the vetronics on the existing t80u and redeployed the t80ud turrets to the t80bv chasys (due to the ukrainian suplied engine parts, and they arent reliable politically this variant is t80ue-1)

The upgrades are mainly in the areas of sensors (belorussian/french ir scope) and comunications gear, as well as gps (uragan system) receivers.

btw i think the way they should operate is
1) get one "comand" (m1a2, t80u, t90a) tank
2) get lots of "firepower tanks" (mgs/t64)

use your "comand tanks" to provide los for the "firepower tanks", also you can use the former in defence or when a hard line of defence (such as lots and lots of atgm) has to be breached.

so imo mgs needs a price reduction (and role shift to the light tank), also imo you should make it availiable to the mechanised infantry role (bots too)

this system will alllow you use the advantages of various tactics (like 3 abrams tanks in the shelters will be very hard to take head on on the flat terrain due to their long gun range, long los range and good frontal armour, howether they can be overhelmed by a flanking tactic with multiple t64b tanks, provided the later use los given by the t90 or t80)

Edited by: ikalugin

No, as this is a substantial game change. We don't believe game play and doctrine changes are necessary on US side for now.

Edited by: blahdy

how about ru team side of things?

The fire bug where there the sabot then the heat is fired on the m1a2 is getting worse! I tested out with one abrams against three t-90s 1 facing the front, the side, the last on the back. The computer of course fired the sabot taking out the other tank then fired heat on to the other. When another sabot was loaded it fired killing the second t-90 till finally the last t-90 destroyed the abrams. This is really bad since a whole group of abrams will destroy alot more than it should with only 6 rounds a min vs the 12 a min by the t-90! That is far more explosives and KE Sabots fired at one time. Hell even the abrams faster than the t-90 rate of fire which is redunkulas! (Note: this is related to the article and should not be deleted because the current mod for the abrams is making out worldly powerful than it really is!

Yea, unfortunately this bug was not fixed on RC1, sorry to say.

It is however fixed on 2.0 GM build for final release, so next release cycle should fix this.

Hm shame thay i am t64/80 lover and t72/90 hater

Btw in the curent testing do tgm (tank guided missiles) have any use? I mean cms on the strykers/abrams seam to prevent those things from inflicting damage.

the atgm refleks missiles cant hit a barn door at point blank or close range against anything! Either its a balancing modification or a bug since the vanilla atgm on both the pt 76 sagger and the tow on the bradleys can hit at close range. The cms can prevent target lock and break a hit from them missiles, but since im using t-90s it was not atgms.

oh i forgot to say this, there is a bug occurs when the fog of war sets in and im advancing my tanks to the last know positions of the abrams group , its so aggrevating when there so near by like a hundred feet away they are still covered by the fog and the t-90s are just slaughtered even when you get close there stil invisible or its to late to react. I know that the russians do have sighting equipement a generation or two behind but its not that bad when its just a couple hundred feet away or point blank. are they blind ?

Tanks should be able to see each other when coming close. Were you fighting out in the urban, or is your definition of 'close range' longer than this?

Remember that since map is very small, what we normally expect to see as 'very close range' in vanilla is not that close in MW Mod.

i think there is los bug on the berlin map.

There isn't

the bug occurs on every map, i think its the LOS. Is the decrease due to balancing .

toombs1234 wrote: the bug occurs on every map, i think its the LOS. Is the decrease due to balancing .

Yes. You'll note that T-90 and BMP-2 have longer LOS than cheapo tanks.