Medieval Kingdoms: Total War is a total conversion of Total War: Rome II sets in 1212 AD, with many new factions, new units and so on.

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So my team member Ltd. got a PM from the leader of the 1257 AD mod from the M&B Warband community, Kuauik. We do not have permission from him to carry over "his" assets from Rome 2 to the Attila version. His logic is that he doesn't like our attitude toward the items we use from the OSP community and "his work". This also ties into the remarks I sometimes get that this mod is a frankenstein mod of taleworlds assets and that we did next to nothing on our end. Oh my where to begin....

Let's start with the attitude "point". I have acted defensively a couple of times, but that's because people like Kuauik and Cozur felt the need to straight up call our design choices . Nothing constructive in their remarks at all, just outright hostility because we didn't make our mod as accurate as he wanted us to make it. No respect for our design preference. He openly mocked my team mate Lord Giovanni, a person who's just started modding units because he hadn't reskinned his units as much as me. That alone is a kick below the belt because he's the one team member who hasn't done as much original work as me and Ltd. On my end I've taken the open source surcoat textures and have made literally HUNDREDS of textures, taking me hours of time and effort since I based them off actual coats of arms. So the fact that Kuauik decided to mock this mod at all on that score is absolutely ridiculous. Kuauik also said spoke slander about TWC because he thinks that the community is full of flamers and torchers. Funny that the only people I see acting like that are more commonly associated with the Taleworlds forums but hey. Here's a couple of quotes from him if you don't believe me:

Quote from him straight up insulting our design of the castellan units

"i mean that this is ,castellan is governor of the castle,its not military title,its like the bohemian roster posted above,pure fantasy"


Quote from him mocking Lord Giovanni

"-and what have you actualy reskined here?all i see is the original textures here

"


So I fail to see how our team are being the jerks here aside from the farce that if a mod doesn't go for accuracy it's not doing the assets justice.

Let's talk about another thing while I'm at it. The nature of modding is rarely making tons of truly original models. The modding world is very much taking something from some place else and MODifying it. That why we call them MODS. What's laughable is a lot of the stuff that people say we take from 1257 are not actually theirs either. They take many of their assets from the same places as we do. A Don't believe me? Well here's our mod's credit list:

Pino69
Lucas the Benevolent
Mr. Crow
Narf
Dejawolf
Pacco
1257 AD Team
Al Mansur
Rus 13th Century
Slytacular
Paleogios
Historic Lords Project
Rusichi Total War
Marka
FantasyWarrior

Lord Szentgyörgyi
dome
Rathos
We's
Mr.Master

Yamabusi
and others


And here's the credit list of 1257 AD:

"A very special thanks to. We used your resources extensively:
Sahran
Dejawolf
Narf
Al_Mansur

Other included works (in no particular order)

GutekFiutek - polished landscapes and Polished Skyboxes
Faradon - helms and weapons
DejaWolf - helms, axes, spears
Talak - weapons and helms
Checkmaty - more metal sounds sound pack
Adorno - ambient soundtrack, castles
Ron Losy - realistic combat model
the OSP project - helms and weapons
Rubik - script ideas
Spanky, original author of 1257 AD
Diplomacy mod
Janus - installer script
Motomataru - AI scripts and formations
Akmar Nibelung - French translation
rejenorst - for sound effects and music.
Iboltax - face models and textures for them.
Freelancers mod team - Freelancer mod!
Sonyer for horses
iggorbb for weapons and helmets
F.F.C.fritz for his awesome drawings and support!
Cozur - Town, castle, village map icons"


We literally did the exact same thing and yet they don't get the same accusations that this mod does. I probably have done more texture work than the entire 1257 AD team and yet our mod is the doctored one? If it seems like I'm being a dick right now that's because I am sick and tired of these baseless insults and attacks on this mod by people who clearly don't check their own sources before lashing out against others. I didn't want to make a thread like this. I wanted to keep a good relationship with 1257 AD and all the other mods and modders we borrowed base assets from. But Kuauik has forced my hand. So in the second Rome 2 version of this mod everything that was exclusively made by Kuauik and the 1257 AD team will be taken out of this mod. I hope this enlightens people on what's been going on. (BTW I say base assets because we use them just like that, as a BASE.)

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Plez2MetU
Plez2MetU

Cozur is a jerk and Kuauik is a hypocrite... Don't worry about them, keep doing what you and your team wanna do....

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Dutch_Gamer
Dutch_Gamer

I agree with you Plezz, and BTW your work is awesome guys just ignore the critics. Almost all mods have a few

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ahmedmed
ahmedmed

if they make it then they own it, but on the other hand they dont have the right to give u their work then want it back because they didn't like some minor details, that is just childish

if they wasted their time and for free to make mods and be jerks about it then wtf they're modding for.
it is just a game u will not want ot write the name of your mod on tombstone
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or will u :O

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fenix02
fenix02

your fan base is behind you!

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bigred13
bigred13

Keep going this mod is amazing some jerks can't stop all the work put into this. its like someone trying to jump in front of a train to try and stop it.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend

This is why we can't have nice things. Modding should be a community where assets are shared with credits being given where credits are due. It seems so strange to me to tear apart people that don't make everything from scratch. Large scale projects are basically impossible without other peoples resources being used if the guy attempting it is solo or with a small team.

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gilgamesh912
gilgamesh912

I'm sure it's very frustrating to be faced with criticism which seems openly harsh and/or hostile. But I'm sure that there are a lot more people who give praise and appreciation for what you and your team has accomplished so far. I for one would like to see this continue and continually supported.

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Glock_17
Glock_17

Is there an approximate date
when this mod comes out

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JudgeAlfred
JudgeAlfred

I certainly can't condone the attitudes described here, but I can understand individuals being protective over their work and more importantly how their work is used if it is given.

I stand by the modders on the idea that they can claim their work as their own at anytime if they completed it, for whatever trivial reason they come up with. I'm not saying it isn't childish but that's just how these things are.

Overall it seems like your team and them don't see eye to eye. You seem to be putting a lot of effort in regardless so I tip my hat off to you, but I do have to stand up for Cozur and Kuauik for having rights on their hand made content as I can empathize with them.

When people make content/models/etc. They have a specific intent and idea for them and how they are used. Most people avoid things like this by simply not letting anyone use it, and some (Like Cozur and Kuauik in this case) want their content to be used in a specific way regardless of where it is (AKA with historical accuracy being followed to the letter.)

I'd like to think that this doesn't upset anyone reading this, I'm just trying to be the neutral arbiter here. They could have been far more polite regardless and it is sad to see people sling insults at one another.

All in all, best of luck.

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warman222 Author
warman222

Lets agree to disagree on the take back philosophy. It is a **** move to do and I don't ******* care how justified they feel they are, a **** move is a **** move.

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JudgeAlfred
JudgeAlfred

I don't see why you are being so defensive about this. Overall the fact that you respect their wishes despite their slander proves that you are the better man in this case.

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dello146
dello146

Its a mod... meaning no one owns anything only the devs at CA can take your content away so **** these losers and keep making your stuff man!

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fuzzyballs01
fuzzyballs01

he's still right, thought, a castellan is the guy who takes care of the castle, not a militairy unit

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