Eastern Front is a free mod for Company of Heroes. Following the ethos of mimicking a Relic Entertainment expansion pack, Eastern Front has succeeded in adding two full new factions, the Soviet Red Army and the German Ostheer, packed with unique and exciting units to the existing armies - a feat never before achieved in the Company of Heroes world.

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~Doctor~
~Doctor~ Dec 5 2011, 12:32pm says:

Yeah, it should. But I hope that it packs at least double damage that jagdpanther has.

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P3ACE753
P3ACE753 Dec 5 2011, 1:02pm replied:

What? Why? In real life the JadgTiger's gun had worse penetration values than the JadgPanther at ALL ranges!

Even tho the rounds fired by the JT's 128mm PaK 44 L/55 weighted at least twice as much as the JP's 88mm Kw.K.43 L/71, it had a lower velocity thus reducing the armor penetration capabilities.

The JP is a faster and better TD than the JT, the JT just has frontal armor that no WW2 tank could penetrate even at point blank range.

The JT should be a call-in for a Defensive doctrine since its slow as f*ck, its a mobile bunker. It's good unit to have when you are doing a last stand (talking from experinece :D).

The JP should be a call-in for the TH Doctrine that no tank stands a chance against (after all, it uses the same gun as the KingTiger).

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stukatankkiller
stukatankkiller Dec 5 2011, 1:09pm replied:

uncorrect, the two guns had similar stats at short ranges, but the 128mm proved to be betetr at long ranges.....
Maybe you were checkign the stats for the round witht he smal propelant charge or something

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P3ACE753
P3ACE753 Dec 5 2011, 2:43pm replied:

Can you give me a source for that affirmation please?

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop Dec 5 2011, 1:09pm replied:

@Dr.Schmerz
We cannot double JP damage for JT because it will obliterate everything ^^.

@P3ACE753
That's a good post(supposing the info is correct), so we could describe both units like this:

Jagdpanther:
- Faster than JT
- Better penetration than JP
- Less damage than JT

Jadgtiger:
- Better armour than JP
- More damage than JP
- Less penetration than JP

Even if the JT & JP weapons had the same penetration, I think the aforementioned ideas will work fine for CoH:EF.

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P3ACE753
P3ACE753 Dec 5 2011, 2:40pm replied:

Yes the JP penetrates more but does less damage.
The JT penetrates less but does more damage when it does.

JP fast, less armor.
JT slow, more armor.

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βéϯд
βéϯд Dec 5 2011, 2:01pm replied:

@PEACE If you check the actual stats of the 8.8cm Pak 43 L/71 it has 202mm penetration on 100m and the 12.8cm Pak 44 L/55 had just over 200mm of penetration on 1000m. That is a BIG difference.. though the JT had 3 types of ammunition. Anyway here's the data En.wikipedia.org
En.wikipedia.org

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P3ACE753
P3ACE753 Dec 5 2011, 2:36pm replied:

Woah, woah! Hold on! My source is this: Tarrif.net
I took the Armor Piercing Composite Rigid PzGr.43 for both guns!
@βéϯд you took the weaker PzGr. 39/43 APCBC-HE for the JP

The same Armor Piercing Composite Rigid PzGr.43 Kg-28.3 935m/s has 167mm at 1000m and 148mm at 2000m with an angle of 30. While on wikipedia its the same for the 2000m range for the 1000m range its +200mm !?!

Someone is wrong here (I found that wiki was wrong a couple of times before, thats why I dont use it as a reference)

As for the JP round; the Armor Piercing Composite Rigid PzGr.40/43 Kg7.3 (4 TIMES LESS THAN THE JT ONE!) 1130m/s penetrates 193mm at 1000m and 152mm at 2000m.

If you look at all WW2 guns, the 88mm Kw.K.43 L/71 gun that is used on the Nashron,Elephant,JadgPanther and KingTiger is the absolute best gun.

You guys got to give me a better source to prove me wrong than wikipedia!
And look at the source wikipedia gave, Fprado.com look closer and you'll see the 88 is still better than the 128.

Do your homework next time!

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Dzierzan
Dzierzan Dec 5 2011, 2:53pm replied:

Who cares? This is only game/mod, not realistic "thing".

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P3ACE753
P3ACE753 Dec 5 2011, 11:45pm replied:

It might not be the most realistic CoH mod out there, but making it so that the JT "packs at least double damage that jagdpanther has." just makes no sense for the reasons I posted above. That is all Im saying.

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destroy22980
destroy22980 Dec 8 2011, 8:23pm replied:

Exactaly! If you want realistic play N44.

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☭Evil-Kommie☭
☭Evil-Kommie☭ Dec 10 2011, 3:21am replied:

Or Blitzkrieg or Back to the Basics ;D

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Panzert
Panzert Dec 6 2011, 7:04am replied:

to be fair, your source doesn't actually cite any references. However, these statistics are correct as i've read other sources with them that have infact cited references.

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AirborneSn1p3r
AirborneSn1p3r Dec 5 2011, 1:36pm says:

Yes

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PoliorcetE
PoliorcetE Dec 5 2011, 2:17pm says:

it's a come back ?

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop Dec 5 2011, 2:22pm says:

@PoliorcetE
Several users wanted this behemoth back, we didn't see a problem with that as long as we balance it correctly. Also, this little critter is a special unit for us(the EF Devs) and using it as a mere campaign unit would be a shame.

@βéϯд
Indeed, that's a big difference.

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GeneralCH
GeneralCH Dec 5 2011, 3:40pm replied:

"..as long as we balance it correctly.."

That reminds me of something :P

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Generalcube
Generalcube Dec 5 2011, 4:23pm replied:

Jagdtiger returns!I also think its better that can be used also in skirmish :D

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irik
irik Dec 5 2011, 3:15pm says:

YES!

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Munchie009
Munchie009 Dec 5 2011, 5:46pm buried:

(buried)

I'm sorry, I have to say this just for the hilarious mass of minus karma I will get: Will you guys have a Maus next?!?!

Thanks for bringing this back though.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Dec 13 2011, 10:30am replied:

It may be a stupid question but did people really care to bury this? I see we have some easily offended users

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cHr0n0sPh3r3
cHr0n0sPh3r3 Dec 5 2011, 6:04pm says:

I'd be in favour of the JT. Although according to the still living Otto Carious the JT was prone to mechanical failures... As were many German tanks for that matter O_o

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Dec 5 2011, 7:29pm says:

Will the JT get vet unlike the KT

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Agreed
Agreed Feb 23 2012, 12:38am replied:

Nah, we just think the Maus would scare away the Elephant

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TheEmperorsChampion.
TheEmperorsChampion. Dec 6 2011, 9:44am says:

I would Like a King Tiger for the Panzer elite!

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Sturminfantrist
Sturminfantrist Dec 6 2011, 11:37am says:

Looks like it has the normal Kingtiger chassis so it is a bit too short because Jgd Tiger has a longer Chassis.

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blackbishop Author
blackbishop Dec 7 2011, 1:10am replied:

@Sturminfantrist
We hope the Jagdtiger can be finished in the future.

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MasterHenaz
MasterHenaz Dec 15 2011, 1:40pm says:

About those guys fighting the penetration values...
Can't you think a bit when you compare the size and weight of the ammo.
Bigger gun, the more destruction... It's the law of the physics.
Think it this way. You get hit by a small rock by someone.. You start to bleed and it stings... You get hit slower by a BIGGER rock... It hurts a lot =D. Same thing was with Panther vs. Tiger I... Panther's gun had more penetration but it does not damage the tank so much but if Tiger I shot penetrated it DID do more damage.

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Munchie009
Munchie009 Dec 19 2011, 9:52pm says:

It's sort of like with the ISU-152. It's gun is a little stubby, but the shells are just, well, big. The mass of these shells allowed it penetrate armor. They did really suck for range though.

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NoobAwe
NoobAwe Dec 23 2011, 3:23am says:

The Jagdtiger should come as an option for any player playing. Should he want a mobile fortress or a hit and run tank, he should be allowed to choose. Just like the IS-3, T-34s and the Tiger Ace. The player should be allowed to customize his army for his own style of play.

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Should the Jagdtiger return as Jagdpanther reward unit? It fits PE very well, and now it has a new skin to fit better with them, courtesy of evilSpike.

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