Imagine a world where the Allies didn't win the war, nor did the Axis. Instead, the war just continued on and on in an unsteady stalemate. Welcome, to the world of 1949. In this world Germany decided not to bomb London, but instead continued its attacks on Britain's airfields. Then, the Russians lost at Kursk. Finally, D-Day fails. With these victories, Germany has managed to halt the Allie's progress. In the Western Theatre, the Allies and the Axis each plan the invasion of the other's vital territories. In the Pacific, Japan and the United States are dueling over tiny islands with giant fleets and atomic weapons. Now, the stalemate is about to be broken. Germany is preparing an all out invasion of Britain. As tough and valiant as the Allied troops defending the Sceptered Isle are, some of their leaders are beginning to that they will be unable to hold against the Wehrmacht.

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SS-Königstiger
SS-Königstiger

looks cool

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

Indeed tho id still love to see some AS-44 or KB-46 assault rifles for elite units :/

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eddy9539
eddy9539

(buried)

i think the ak was unrealistic becouse i was pruduct on the progect of the mp44 taken by the russian after the war with the v1 and v2 progects

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Oblio1942
Oblio1942

Acutualy design started in '45 and ran until '47... soo it could have been introduced into this universe since it started service in like '49, and this mod is, interestingly enough, 1949

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

NO no no >_< WHERE THE **** ARE THESE WANKS GETTING THIS **** INFO?

The AK-47 never was copied in any way from the German STG-44 >>

Its internal mechanism was 100% original and its outer design was copied if not inspired by an early WW2 Russian AR made by Alexander Sudaev "Also invented the PPS-43 smg" IE the AS-44 Sudaev assault rifle.

The AS-44 was never put into production as the designer died during the war from an illness.

Now for some facts >>

Alexey Sudayev
http://img30.imageshack.us/img30/9951/as44suunnittelija.jpg

PPS-43
http://img231.imageshack.us/img231/3088/pps43.png
http://www.hellboxarmory.com/mm5/graphics/00000001/PPS%20Build%20CAT.jpg
http://centerfiresystems.com/productimages/handguns/PPS43-PIS-D.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/smg/smg03/pps-43-1.jpg
http://www.kmike.com/KWjpg/pps1.jpg

AS-44 Sudaev prototypes
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as01/as44.jpg
http://world.guns.ru/userfiles/images/assault/as01/at44.jpg
http://www.fotydostrony.yoyo.pl/OAS%20Rozlozony.jpg
http://www.fotydostrony.yoyo.pl/AS-44%20Muze.jpg
http://blog-imgs-34.fc2.com/w/b/m/wbmuse/AS44p.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/9131/sudajev.jpg
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/russian-assault-rifle-b.jpg
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/russian-assault-rifle.jpg
http://www.tactical-life.com/online/wp-content/uploads/2010/09/russian-assault-rifles.jpg
http://i124.photobucket.com/albums/p22/StaceyC123/Shpagin001.jpg?t=1236655207

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

Chill out bro i think they copied the gas system or something, i cant quite say specifically

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Phenixtri
Phenixtri

No they didn't >> the STG-44 and all other German prototype assault rifles are in no way related to Russian Prototype assault rifles and vice verse.

And this is a matter of historical accuracy im sick and tired of people distorting history with their inaccurate assumptions >> Its because of crap like that that we get out right lies such as for example "Poland didn't have tanks in WW2 and only used cavalry in suicidal charges against German tanks with lances" -_-

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

Jesus don't get so ******

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AKaleshnikov47
AKaleshnikov47

Mikhail Kalashnikov designed the AK-47 to match if not be better than the STG44...There are many common similarities. The STG, whether you like it our not, was the basic outline for future assault rifles. Russians did copy alot when it came to military technology too, I mean they did fight a cold war where they had to match evertything they had with the US. Sure it was originally Russian made, but some designs were based off of advanced German technology after WW2.

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aviso
aviso

The Russians used the Sturmgewehr 1944 (StG44) as a model for their new weapon that must replace the outdated DP-28, Mosin Nagant and PPSH-43. They wanted to make a new weapon, able to fight in big fields (large distance) and close combat (short distance). They found in the StG44 (the first assault rifle) the model to use to make a new (and Soviet) weapon. You only must see the appearance, damn... they're like "father and son". Kaláshnikov made an study about the intelligence information of the new secret weapon of the III Reich, the StG 44, and he used some things of this weapon that he used with the AK-47.

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Orange_Tomato
Orange_Tomato

Yea, blah blah - now btw if you talk about copying, the Americans were actually to copy almost everything from the Germans.

And btw, if we're talking about appearence similarities - why does the M48 and the M60 look so much like the IS series?

I can understand that guy being sick of Americans being hyper-patriotic about military technology, ffs why did they start all of the sudden some years ago?

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zuegma

Well that's not completely true about the post war part at least, The soviets had designs for assault rifles as early as 1944 (admittedly still inspired of the german assault rifles but not the STG 44 but the MKb.42(H)) and the AK design developed from these first russian attempts at assault rifles.

Source: World.guns.ru

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MartyForEels
MartyForEels

Well, considering Soviet Union is probably in desperate position, i dont think they would manufacture AK-47 it was approved by Russian military after succes of Stg. 44. And it didnt get into full service until early 50es. And they would not be able to manufacture them in early stages witthout captured Nazi machinery for Stg 44.

You know, just because something existed in time game takes place, it doesnt have to be there. Especially when those desings wouldnt exist or would be approved if Germany surrended.

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limon553224
limon553224

ak 47 have much easier construction than stg44 there is no need to capture german facilities to produce it and why you think that soviets can not build good facilities too?

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MartyForEels
MartyForEels

Ew.. Guess some nacionalist that got me totally wrong? Soviet industry in west (aswell as German) were destroyed in war. It would take Commies much longer time to stand on they feet without capturing thousands of German machines. Also, guess in this mod, Russians arent winning - Which makes production of such "complicated" guns like AK47 even more complicate.

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zuegma

The AK47 is by no means a complicated weapon it has a much simpler construction to that of the STG 44, even though their basis for their own assault rifle prototypes was not based on the STG 44 strictly speaking.

Besides that two things come to mind, Its 1949 so that's a lot of time for the Russians to get production into safe areas (after all how could they build IS-3's) also the pace of technology is always faster in times of war.

Having said all that its in the mod now so deal with it ;)

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MartyForEels
MartyForEels

Yeah, but that still doesnt change anything on fact that it got into service in early 50ies even with fully running industry.

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WushB00kie
WushB00kie

Let me clear something about the AK-47. Technically, the Stg44's construction is simpler than the AK-47's construction of 1949 (When the AK-47 started entering widespread use in the USSR). The Stg44 used stamped steel construction which was a way to save on resources and was a generally very reliable weapon. The mechanism of the AK-47 was needless to say always simpler than that of the Sturmgewehr 44, but in production it is the whole build that matters. And the AK-47 of 1949 had a milled receiver, since at the time Russian stamped steel technology was very primitive and weak and they required more research on German stamped steel technology. It took them till the 60s to improve this tech, when they released the AKM (Modernized 'Avtomat Kalashnikova') which utilised a stamped steel receiver. So guess what, the AK really only became very easy to manufacture in the 60's. Before that the production rates were lower and the costs were significantly higher.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

@kontakt_5 perfect answer you just saved me the trouble of saying all that, im glad some people realize this, but since its a mod for fun you know it doesnt matter 2 much. the only thing that doesnt go so well with me is that apparently every conscript gets one.......

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Lord_Wiffleby Author
Lord_Wiffleby

Let me make this clear, conscripts will not get AK-47s, unless I decide to do an upgrade that might give them some. Given the current balance, this is highly unlikely. The men pictured here are elite Shock Troopers, who do receive AK-47s. Also, Russia had a burgeoning industry behind the Ural Mountains and have that in this mod. Russia is not on its last legs, even if it has been beaten up. Anyway, more info on the Russians will be available once the update has been processed by Moddb.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

Thanks for clearing that

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MartyForEels
MartyForEels

You know, thats pretty much what i said.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

He put it together better, but most people just don't know how much in the world is copied and built off of german technology, russia became so powerful because of vast amounts of taken designs and scientists, also just gonna say that hugo schmiesser(guy who pretty much invented stg44) was taken after the war and was forced to work on projects like the ak47, but since cold war/communism and such, klashkinov(or something like that) gets all credit.

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MartyForEels
MartyForEels

Actually, AK47 was almost finished in like 1938. Mikhail Kalasnikhov worked on it.

Also, keep in mind that Germany fot to todays economy level just with help from West.

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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies

Meh theres a ton of answers out there people will believe one or the other so its K

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limon553224
limon553224

about hugo schmiesser he was worket in the Ijevsk cb , but ak 47 was designed in the Kirov`s cb (cb- construction bureau)
As for the comparison of these two specific samples(ak 47 and stg 44), it is worth noting that similar shape of the barrel, front sight and the vapor tube due to the use of both automatic gas operated motor, which in principle could be directly borrowed from Kalashnikov Schmeisser, as was known long before that (with the vapor engine overhead-was first used by Soviet rifle ABC [16]). Gas operated engine still attached to the bolt carrier and gas piston, which was not a novelty, and was used long before that, such as machine gun Degtyarev, 1927.

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limon553224
limon553224

standart ak 47 was producting since 1949 till 1959 (i dont mean modifications like ak 74 or aks) this mean that soviets facilities was able to produce it check in wiki if you dont beelive me

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Metaltooth
Metaltooth

Reminds me of Red Alert.

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n

the flame war or the mod?

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Lord_Wiffleby Author
Lord_Wiffleby

I'm sure he means the mod.

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p*a*t*t*o*n
p*a*t*t*o*n

I know, I was being sarcastic ;)

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Lord_Wiffleby Author
Lord_Wiffleby

Of course, but my usual counter is to just ignore the sarcasm. You can get away with some pretty shocking responses if you do that.

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vikior
vikior

The AK-47 was kept in total secrecy until 1956 when that Hungarian revolt appeared.The AK was used there for the first time.

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Maus_ace
Maus_ace

But the war stopped but in this mod it continues so the AK-47 appeared faster.

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HavocOfDoom
HavocOfDoom

i think everyone forgets this is a ALTERNATE REALITY MOD!

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polerus
polerus

indeed

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Here are some of the units of the new Soviet Faction that will be joining the war. No details here folks, except that one picture depicts Russian conscripts, one shows the IS-3s in formation, another depicts Soviet Shock Troops, and the final unit is an image of a single Soviet Heavy Engineer. The details will be in the next news update, which is exclusively about Russia.

Credits go to:

1C (with thanks) for the IS-3.

DemoSS for the Troop uniforms (except the trench coats on some conscripts which come from Derwin23).

DemoSS and burtondrummerny for the AK-47.

The EF team for lending me their SVT and their import of the IS-3

And nachocheese for the PPSH model which I textured, and is very difficult to see.

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