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At the Battle of Plassey (June 23, 1757), not only the French Artillery (50 men) was beaten by British, but all the Bengal Army (62 000 soldiers). So Bengal knows exactly what is a white flag, after other defeats. Remember : already, in 1202-1204, Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji's conquest of Bengal at the head of 18 horsemen ! But Plassey was for the French Army one of its few & minor defeats, compared to its numerous victories during many centuries. What are the illustrious victories of Bengal Army ?
Whitewashed ??? Many French maneuver camps are located in the East or North-East of the country. Mourmelon (where I think that this picture was taken), and its annex of Moronvilliers, Suippes ..., south of Reims, belong to the region of Champagne. On geographical level, it's the "Champagne crayeuse" ("chalky Champagne", the nice place to easy dig cellars for its reputed wine). So these maneuver camps are characterized by white mud when raining, by white dust when it's very hot & sunny. Same thing for other camps in Aisne (Sissonne, Margival ...), north of Reims where the first French tanks were engaged (April 16 1917 at Berry-au-Bac). The same soil is found in the near Somme (September 15 1916 when British Mark I tanks were used for the first time) or in Verdun. On the pictures taken during these battle, vehicles (and soldiers) have this same and particular chalky mud colour. Whitewashed ? What else ?
>implying the Su25 would get even close enough to perform its CAS mission.
>implying it wouldnt be downed by a Dassault Rafale first.
>implying Blue doesn't have total air superiority
We are not talking about some 3th world middle east country.
>planes come out of the "4th dimension" and disappear back into the 4th dimension again (before you can even intercept them)
>ingame missile range is only 10% of the real historic missile range (because scaled down game mechanics)
That's good for them. But Russian fighter jets are still lacking modern radar avionics. For example, Russian aircrafts still use outdated PESA (passive electronically scanned array) which is 50 years old technology. While the Rafale and updated F-15 and F/A-18 are fitted with the newest technology which is the AESA (active electronically scanned array).
Now that's a solid argument, I respect that.
The only thing is that older is not always worse
Remember the case when Soviet pilot had stiolen a MiG to Japan where it had been disassembled?
The radar controlling systems were based on a different basis utilizing basic lightbulbs rather than NATO planes' systems. However it allowed MiG's radar systems to work on bigger heights.
But that was USSR and you are right, Russia hadn't been paying attention to aviation from 1991 to 2001
That's why in any operation Russia uses not aircraft scanners, but advanced land-based jamming systems which have proven good blinding NATO radars and aviation in certain Syrian regions.
UPD:This and previous year versions of Su-35 and Su-34 utilize AESA
So the MiG-35 uses Zhuk-A, and the PAK-FA uses an AESA but speculation on that is moot because of classified data. As for "outdated" PESA, yes the Su-35S and Su-30SM use PESA (Irbis-E and Bars-R respectively, Irbis-E is actually AESA/PESA hybrid) radars, but an understanding of the characteristics of both AESA and PESA radar is important for a AESA vs. PESA discussion. In a nutshell advanced PESA radars focus an immense amount of energy through a single point, producing a huge beam with far reaching ranges and with very distinct and reliable return data. MiG-31BMs employs the rather scary Zaslon PESA for this very reason, as it suits its role as an interceptor perfectly, along with its ridiculous BVR capable missiles, namely the RVV-AE and R-37. Without getting into the details the Irbis-E on-board the Su-35S is an absolute monster, and on paper easily stands up to its Western contemporaries, providing the benefits to an extent, of both radar platforms (AESA & PESA). The weakness of PESA generally lies in its large power output which makes it quite visible from extended ranges, and susceptible to EW. The EW threat can be countered fairly easily with a good ECM suite, which all modern Russian aircraft employ, and the visibility issue isn't a problem because you've already seen them and shot first anyway.
Why Western fighters actually jumped straight on the AESA bandwagon with Rafale and F-22, F-15 etc. was because they never devised a way to have PESA radars that could frequency jump as quickly as an AESA radar without the need of mechanical oscillation... And yes, you guessed it, Russia on the other hand cracked it, and so now they have a cheaper system PESA radars (Bars-R and Irbis-E) giving almost the same performance as a Western AESA in the case of spoofing and jamming through dynamic shifted phase capability (just means it can frequency hop very quickly without needing to mechanically oscillate, while also providing extended fields of vision with extreme clarity unachievable on AESAs as of yet). Yes you should be amazed, it's absolutely redonkulous.
But as for your "Russia only has PESA tech which is 50 years old" (we can call that myth officially busted, PESA is very relevant today) they actually have AESA employed on Ka-52K and was first tested out for India on MiG-29M2, while the MiG-35 will arrive with Zhuk-A as mentioned before. But yeah, their ground radars are where all their AESA stuff is, Nebo-M and the like, but that's a whole other discussion.
There are many was to use a radar. Even an old one can suprise, remember shotdown F117? But there is more. German Phantoms had some different kind of radar, that ruined usual hiding tactics (tricks with Doppler effect). Viggen got modernized radar that allowed tracking boogie without boogie knowing. While tracking with normal radar makes boogie feel your pings, Viggen radar pinged around enemy plane, so as long as continued on same course it didn't get a ping while Viggen knew where it is.
There are tricks to play with it. Better range of radar, or range of missiles is not an automatic win.
But that's kinda far away from a platoon of Leclercs driving away from battle...
In the combat formation "en bataille" ("in battle", particular to cavalry, and now, for tanks. A different name, but it's the same thing for the infantry than "en ligne" or "in a line" formation), the distances between each tank are between 30 and 50 meters. Not the case here !
So, not an exercise, but a return of a complete unit to the camp after a maneuver.
A Leclerc platoon ? A heavy tank platoon consists of 4 AMX 40 Leclerc only.
On this picture, it's rather a squadron (4 platoons of 4, plus one for the Captain commanding the squadron).
That's an awful lot of $$$.
Nearly half of them got whitewashed with sands and they still allowed this image to be posted...
France really don't want us stop with the white flag jokes do they?
At the Battle of Plassey (June 23, 1757), not only the French Artillery (50 men) was beaten by British, but all the Bengal Army (62 000 soldiers). So Bengal knows exactly what is a white flag, after other defeats. Remember : already, in 1202-1204, Muhammad bin Bakhtiyar Khalji's conquest of Bengal at the head of 18 horsemen ! But Plassey was for the French Army one of its few & minor defeats, compared to its numerous victories during many centuries. What are the illustrious victories of Bengal Army ?
Whitewashed ??? Many French maneuver camps are located in the East or North-East of the country. Mourmelon (where I think that this picture was taken), and its annex of Moronvilliers, Suippes ..., south of Reims, belong to the region of Champagne. On geographical level, it's the "Champagne crayeuse" ("chalky Champagne", the nice place to easy dig cellars for its reputed wine). So these maneuver camps are characterized by white mud when raining, by white dust when it's very hot & sunny. Same thing for other camps in Aisne (Sissonne, Margival ...), north of Reims where the first French tanks were engaged (April 16 1917 at Berry-au-Bac). The same soil is found in the near Somme (September 15 1916 when British Mark I tanks were used for the first time) or in Verdun. On the pictures taken during these battle, vehicles (and soldiers) have this same and particular chalky mud colour. Whitewashed ? What else ?
All in a nice line, perfect target for a BRRRRRRRRRRT
Reds are against French. So, where is my Su25?
>implying the Su25 would get even close enough to perform its CAS mission.
>implying it wouldnt be downed by a Dassault Rafale first.
>implying Blue doesn't have total air superiority
We are not talking about some 3th world middle east country.
"implying Blue doesn't have total air superiority"
> Cs626724.vk.me
Dirty NATO paperplanes peasants
Glorious MiG masterrace
>posts screenshot of arcade game
>"yeah that'll show 'em"
nice argument, I'm totally convinced that I'm wrong about this now. you did it champ
>Wargame Red Dragon
>arcade
wut m8?
>planes come out of the "4th dimension" and disappear back into the 4th dimension again (before you can even intercept them)
>ingame missile range is only 10% of the real historic missile range (because scaled down game mechanics)
yeah totally realistic
Working as intended.
yes working as arcade strategy game
Latest Russian AA weapons were made for a reason actually
And that's one of the weapon types they have perfected
That's good for them. But Russian fighter jets are still lacking modern radar avionics. For example, Russian aircrafts still use outdated PESA (passive electronically scanned array) which is 50 years old technology. While the Rafale and updated F-15 and F/A-18 are fitted with the newest technology which is the AESA (active electronically scanned array).
Now that's a solid argument, I respect that.
The only thing is that older is not always worse
Remember the case when Soviet pilot had stiolen a MiG to Japan where it had been disassembled?
The radar controlling systems were based on a different basis utilizing basic lightbulbs rather than NATO planes' systems. However it allowed MiG's radar systems to work on bigger heights.
But that was USSR and you are right, Russia hadn't been paying attention to aviation from 1991 to 2001
That's why in any operation Russia uses not aircraft scanners, but advanced land-based jamming systems which have proven good blinding NATO radars and aviation in certain Syrian regions.
UPD:This and previous year versions of Su-35 and Su-34 utilize AESA
Can I jump in here please?
So the MiG-35 uses Zhuk-A, and the PAK-FA uses an AESA but speculation on that is moot because of classified data. As for "outdated" PESA, yes the Su-35S and Su-30SM use PESA (Irbis-E and Bars-R respectively, Irbis-E is actually AESA/PESA hybrid) radars, but an understanding of the characteristics of both AESA and PESA radar is important for a AESA vs. PESA discussion. In a nutshell advanced PESA radars focus an immense amount of energy through a single point, producing a huge beam with far reaching ranges and with very distinct and reliable return data. MiG-31BMs employs the rather scary Zaslon PESA for this very reason, as it suits its role as an interceptor perfectly, along with its ridiculous BVR capable missiles, namely the RVV-AE and R-37. Without getting into the details the Irbis-E on-board the Su-35S is an absolute monster, and on paper easily stands up to its Western contemporaries, providing the benefits to an extent, of both radar platforms (AESA & PESA). The weakness of PESA generally lies in its large power output which makes it quite visible from extended ranges, and susceptible to EW. The EW threat can be countered fairly easily with a good ECM suite, which all modern Russian aircraft employ, and the visibility issue isn't a problem because you've already seen them and shot first anyway.
Why Western fighters actually jumped straight on the AESA bandwagon with Rafale and F-22, F-15 etc. was because they never devised a way to have PESA radars that could frequency jump as quickly as an AESA radar without the need of mechanical oscillation... And yes, you guessed it, Russia on the other hand cracked it, and so now they have a cheaper system PESA radars (Bars-R and Irbis-E) giving almost the same performance as a Western AESA in the case of spoofing and jamming through dynamic shifted phase capability (just means it can frequency hop very quickly without needing to mechanically oscillate, while also providing extended fields of vision with extreme clarity unachievable on AESAs as of yet). Yes you should be amazed, it's absolutely redonkulous.
But as for your "Russia only has PESA tech which is 50 years old" (we can call that myth officially busted, PESA is very relevant today) they actually have AESA employed on Ka-52K and was first tested out for India on MiG-29M2, while the MiG-35 will arrive with Zhuk-A as mentioned before. But yeah, their ground radars are where all their AESA stuff is, Nebo-M and the like, but that's a whole other discussion.
There are many was to use a radar. Even an old one can suprise, remember shotdown F117? But there is more. German Phantoms had some different kind of radar, that ruined usual hiding tactics (tricks with Doppler effect). Viggen got modernized radar that allowed tracking boogie without boogie knowing. While tracking with normal radar makes boogie feel your pings, Viggen radar pinged around enemy plane, so as long as continued on same course it didn't get a ping while Viggen knew where it is.
There are tricks to play with it. Better range of radar, or range of missiles is not an automatic win.
But that's kinda far away from a platoon of Leclercs driving away from battle...
I see what you did there.
The main mortal enemy of a tank is an helicopter, not a jet plane.
The helicopter, ambushed at at the top of the trees, is virtually invisible.
In the combat formation "en bataille" ("in battle", particular to cavalry, and now, for tanks. A different name, but it's the same thing for the infantry than "en ligne" or "in a line" formation), the distances between each tank are between 30 and 50 meters. Not the case here !
So, not an exercise, but a return of a complete unit to the camp after a maneuver.
A Leclerc platoon ? A heavy tank platoon consists of 4 AMX 40 Leclerc only.
On this picture, it's rather a squadron (4 platoons of 4, plus one for the Captain commanding the squadron).