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So then Barack Obama has declaered "I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history".

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So then Barack Obama has declaered "I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions ofJohnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history".

He says his accomplishments are even better than that of George Washington and Ronald Reagen, so heares a list of his acomplishments: Borrowed money from China and donated it to China, Increased the federal deficet tremendosly even more than Bush, Increased unemployment a very large amount, suported the wall street protests. So heares my opinion on Obama. I think that he needs to stop wasting Americas money and not call himself the fourth greatest President I mean realy the wall street protests arent helping any one and theare wasting tax payer dollars. But thats just my opinion.

Worth mentioning that Obama has put the US $30 trillion more in debt since he became president, that is double the amount when he took office, and considering the previous 43 presidents only managed to put us in $30 trillion. Another thing is Obama is a collectivist, see this "We didn't build it" speech.

Obama said to paraphrase; You didn't build it, not by yourself. You had employees, you had a great teacher in high school that is responsible for your success. You drove on government roads and bridges that society invested in through taxes so they own a slice of your success or wealth, you didn't build it, we built it. This is a huge disagreement between individualists, rationalists and objectivists with Obama's cooky suggestion that individuals don't create the wealth. Where all that creativity or innovation comes from is individuals, that raises millions of people out of poverty or increases well-being substantially, the iphone, the great book, the visionary, the inventor, the creator does it. The voluntary choice or trade is a win-win, labor is the same type of trade. You wouldn't take it if you weren't better off doing it. But the funny thing is that the wealthy are the ones who through taxes pay for the roads or bridges, its stolen wealth, somebody first has to create something worth while (made by being definitively demanded and with definitive principles) for that stealing to occur. They are the primary creators then of those roads or bridges built by stolen wealth, its individuals again. Society doesn't owns our wealth, or collectively own all the wealth, it belongs to individuals should decide, spend or what to do with that wealth. Society may not like what you do, what you look like or what you think, which causes votes or unlimited democracy to vote to take people's money away. Libertarians believe in this. This is why its being brought up here, that Obama is not basing his worldview, if it even is one, on being reasonable.

Fairness or justice is what you get what you deserve, in economics its based on how much you add to the wealth. If you produce alot then you should be able to get alot, some people don't produce much or are mediocre then thats fairness or justice, not equality. If someone who produces a little and gets alot then thats equality, thats immoral or unjust and unfair. Libertarian believes in this because it shows that he or she is a ethical person who recognizes when injustice seems to take place when equality demands that we shrink the bigger business or successful business man by redistributing all the wealth or much of the wealth. 80% marginal income tax, a yearly 10% wealth tax to pay how much you have in total, by knocking down bringing down the wealthy or successful people. That doesn't help poor people much but it does bring the wealth down or the rich down. Its premised on the idea that the world is a zero-sum game. That the only way to gain is to take from someone else, that only stuff is there it isn't created or innovated into existence, its always somebody elses loss for somebody to gain. That idea implicitly held by leftists is false. Through out the 19th century and early 20th century we had a explosion of innovation because of relative freedom compared to what we have now. Its mostly deregulated. While the most trouble now is from the financial industry that is the most regulated out of any industry, with bail outs. We just created something that didn't exist before, wealth was created that got out us out of the rut of technological, spiritual and ideological stagnation of the past. That was pioneered and sported by the best society has to offer, the men and women of science, art and industry.

That wealth wasn't taken from anybody, we are both better off by buying something that increases well-being. We are both having our lives improved by buying something innovative. We weren't robbed or exploited of that product or service, we where given something that didn't exist before and we became aware of something that we never knew we wanted. Both lives, the creator and buyers, lives have been improved. All that socialist economists do is that they see that one side loses 20 dollars and the other side gains all those 20 dollars thus they count it as inequality. Then look for ways to bring down those billionaires, eventhough you become a billionaire is by selling lots of things to loads of people - again definitive demand with definitive principles (Napoleon Hill). By selling products or services that make our lives better (Yaron Brook).


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Boss-1138
Boss-1138 - - 531 comments

u sound like a hater

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Yuribeard7
Yuribeard7 - - 1,106 comments

Obama is either a puppet and doesn't really know what he's doing or he knows full well what he's doing. Either way he's corrupt. He makes promises and doesn't keep them and has a habit of lying out his... backside. Sounds an awful lot like a certain angel that thought he could challenge God. And we all know how that worked out. lol

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Boss-1138
Boss-1138 - - 531 comments

effectively this is nothing more than a group of haters...while i don't believe Obama has been whats best for America i still don't see the need for u guys to make a political group on moddb just to hate about him...if there was a group on moddb that supported Obama then perhaps u could have a debate about whatever American affairs currently taking place...but for the time being there isn't actually a purpose for this group...not in my eyes anyway.

@ yuribeat5 thats a horrible reference to make at a person regardless of who ur aiming it at whether it Hitler or Bin Laden its a horrible comment to make....feel ashamed of urself kid....

Im honestly rather confused why I've been invited to this group, the nationality for my profile clearly says im British -sigh- i think I've said my bit.....

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501stcaptainrex Author
501stcaptainrex - - 1,193 comments

Someone invited you?

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Guest
Guest - - 691,405 comments

Unfortunately, most people are probably too ignorant of American history to realize that Obama was being cynically honest about his idolization of those three people. Lincoln was a tyrannical traitor who forced the southern states into violent rebellion with a federal blockade. Lincoln cared absolutely nothing about slavery but seized upon it later as a means to whip up northern support for the federal suppression of states rights and thereby establish the unconstitutional federal supremacy we have suffered under ever since. FDR was a communist fellow-traveler who was used by the bankers to make people dependent on the federal government after they had manufactured the great depression through currency manipulation. He was also instrumental in handing over half of Europe to Stalin. Johnson was installed in a coup d'état carried out by the CIA/Military-Industrial-Complex and he immediately involved America in Vietnam through the phony Gulf of Tonkin incident. Besides being complicit in the false-flag attack by Israel on the USS Liberty, his other great achievement was the muzzling of the the church through 501c3 and of course the establishment of the egregiously unconstitutional welfare state.

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Yuribeard7
Yuribeard7 - - 1,106 comments

First of all, I'm not a "kid". I'm 23 years old going on 24 and I know a heck of a lot about the crap going on in this world. You're 14 and yet you call me a kid. Second, why should I be ashamed to speak the truth? I don't care what people think, all I care about is the truth, no matter how brutal it is. Thirdly, I can't believe you just defended Hitler and Osama Bin Laden. Maybe you should be ashamed hmm?

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Boss-1138
Boss-1138 - - 531 comments

yup...im sure it was u

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Boss-1138
Boss-1138 - - 531 comments

lol strange world out their aint it.....Liberal

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OrangeNero
OrangeNero - - 6,594 comments

wheres the NDAA and that he wanted to close down some camp which is still open after 3 years... oh and the drone attacks and his peace nobel prize.
omg american younglings and teens being political active, run for your lives and take cover.

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Set_Tainer
Set_Tainer - - 312 comments

Hmm so he thinks he is the 4th greatest president. Well I guess he said that on opposite day for that to be correct

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JigsawPieces
JigsawPieces - - 132 comments

This has been taken out of context and distorted.

"The issue here is not going be a list of accomplishments. As you said yourself, Steve, you know, I would put our legislative and foreign policy accomplishments in our first two years against any president — with the possible exceptions of Johnson, F.D.R., and Lincoln — just in terms of what we’ve gotten done in modern history. But, you know, but when it comes to the economy, we’ve got a lot more work to do."

THAT is what he said. "against any president" - not *above*. In no way does he indicate that he's the 4th greatest president. He's saying his administrations achievements could hold their own against others but that there's still more that needs to be done. Much more modest than how you chose to present it if indeed you even bothered to find and watch/read the original source material.

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ComradeWinston
ComradeWinston - - 1,822 comments

What a short list of complaints with little to no detail.

Now me, a person who's views sway between Socialist and Anarchist on a regular basis, would never vote for Obama. The man's far too conservative in practice and speaks little truth in his speeches.

Ironic eh? Most of you probably know the fictional character of Obama, the evil community organizer who wants to destroy freedom, capitalism, or whatever it is the insane corporate puppets are saying right now.

Personally I can't be bothered voting for anyone in a bought system, if there was a liberal Ron Paul, someone who is honest, then I'd vote for them. But Bernie Sanders is not running for president so Not Committed is getting my vote if I bother to vote at all.

Not Committed 2012

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