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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Jan 30 2013, 4:25pm says:

some atheists would try to use the idea that dna is similar to support their evolution ideas. which is why i often point out that quite a lot of things CAN be supporting both sides. at that point atheists just get mad at me and stop listing:(
now that being said even though it can be used to support both sides, a lot of the facts combined often tend to support the biblical creation.

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Admiral-165
Admiral-165 Jan 30 2013, 5:40pm replied:

yer like 99% of DNA is shared amongst all creatures on the planet. That is to say almost every creature has the same basic DNA... Only difference arises in those bacteria which live in the heat vents in volcanoes and such. Their DNA is slightly different and allows for them to survive there.

As to us having unique DNA. Most humans share like 99.9% DNA with each other, it's the other 0.1% which makes everyone have different eye colour, hair colour etc. Which is pretty interesting i think...

This points more towards all life coming from a certain set of DNA (like the theory of abiogenesis), and that through evolution all of this DNA was propagated into different life forms. The outliers such as the thermal bacteria probably arose from a different abiogenesis or something (i don't actually know).

The theory of evolution actually says nothing about abiogenesis or how all these creatures with the same DNA were created, just that the creatures will change over time along with their DNA...

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Jan 31 2013, 11:26am replied:

Well you demonstrate exactly what ElfFriend said, DNA similarity can be used in both arguments. I've already give my side though in the description bar.

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AirborneSn1p3r
AirborneSn1p3r Jan 31 2013, 12:39pm replied:

Well DNA is way too complex for spontaneous generation to have created it and spontaneous generationis the only possibility and was disproved by louis pasteur inn the 1800s.

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Admiral-165
Admiral-165 Jan 31 2013, 6:53pm replied:

wut, that has nothing to do with DNA. He proved that lifeforms cannot be formed from nothing (essentially). I believe the specifics were that of bacteria forming on meat and making it rot. It was believed that the rotting meat spawned bacteria which it was actually just through airborne transfer...

The theory he helped destroy was spontaneous generation (there were many before him but he was one of the last). As i said before the variation in DNA is because of natural selection - creatures reacting to the environment. The rest of the DNA is all the same, suggesting not that God just copied and pasted DNA into everything, but that we all came from the same source. Equating it Da Vinci is nice, but incorrect. A better comparison is if he made the same picture a billion times and only changed one hair or something on each picture... Same style, no, its all the same.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Jan 31 2013, 10:48pm replied:

The variation in DNA comes from gene differences in each individual and these differences are inherited from parents. From an evolutionary perceptive what does having different color hairs or eyes achieve? When we look at animal species they (mostly) have the same color eyes. Meanwhile there are animal species like the lion which only have one fur color.

What reason does evolution have for the complex formation of the DNA helix? Also, unless all life "formed" in one spot by the abiogenic process (another coincidence in the line of many in the abiogenesis hypothesis) who's to say that other living organisms wouldn't have been based on different components or have their DNA formed even more complex? We've observed none of this and if abiogenesis did occur, then it's huge speculation and faith to say it occurred in one place and once for all life to be the same. All life-forms have the same structure of DNA. The special 0.1% is for individuality repeating the old Biblical saying of "we are all special" which atheists had long denied beforehand.

DNA is so complex and amazing that we can store digital data on it and it contains more storage than anything else I can think of.

Scientificamerican.com

"Unlike many forms of information storage, DNA is extremely long-lasting and does not require constant electrical power. Plus, it's tiny—a small cup of DNA can store one hundred million hours of high-quality video."

Why would DNA be this powerful by evolutionary process? The incredible complexity and function behind it demand that a creator exist who designed life.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Feb 1 2013, 1:14pm replied:

Can I get God to build me a computer? xD

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 2 2013, 2:51am replied:

The DNAs structure is basic physic, nothing special constructed. Its like H2O, which is usually a gas but due to its electrostatic properties and under specific temperatures (such as we have on earth) it can form large H2O clusters which become the well known water.

And yes, you can store alot of data in DNA. Our DNA contains about 8GB on information, as far as I know, not nearly enough to put 100 million hours of HQ video in its ok. However, XNA would probably be something that would indicate design since as far as I know it can only be created artificial.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 2 2013, 12:09pm replied:

DNA can't be compared to gasses and if you believe it's simple then you erroneously misread the facts of DNA or avoid all of the discoveries. Asides from the millions of switches powering the genomes in a human Washington.edu DNA carries all the genetic information of an individual and their family Www2.le.ac.uk and the code and structure of DNA is the same in every creature with four "letters" used for sequencing Yourgenome.org Therefore claiming that "the DNA structure is nothing special" is ignoring the whole essence of what DNA is. Everything that is DNA makes us the structure. What's more, DNA that is tampered with can be used to store "one hundred million hours of high-quality video."

Finally, DNA is compared to a digital code by many who have studied it and considered more advanced than any human designed software. Discovery.org

At this point it become apparent that it's clear evidence of a creator behind life.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 5 2013, 10:52pm replied:

Yes, you can since that gas, H2O, is the most important component for life. Why? This might help to understand:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?annotation_id=annotation_916854&feature=iv&src_vid=Hi8hWtQw1X0&v=eCXbSJsbSYU

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 6 2013, 9:23am replied:

Oh Christ, not another link to some extremist atheist self declaring himself as a scientist on YouTube...

Is that all you've got to support your statement? No science sites? No academic papers? I think you misunderstand my previous comment too. No, H20 and DNA cannot be compared. Yeah water is important and composes much of us but its entire structure and formation is rather simple when compared to DNA.

You prove nothing and make a point rather irrelevant to this debate.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 6 2013, 10:46am replied:

Now I have another proof of your arrogance and stupidity.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 7 2013, 3:11am replied:

And just to explain my comment in case you need to know why I expressed myself in that way as I did:
I insulted you because you put his non-faith over his credibility. Thats both, arrogant and stupid. That way I could rant about any biologist who also is a christian. But besides his anti-fundamentalism and -creationism, he IS in fact a scientist and respected by many others for his work and scientific correctness.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 7 2013, 12:30pm replied:

I had proof of your arrogance and stupidity as soon as you posted that video linking to a debunked self-proclaimed scientist not even recognized by the scientific community. This is the same guy who also got owned by the horrendous Westboro Baptist Church.

Sorry but I did not put his non-faith over his credibility, otherwise I would be doing the same for scientists like Carl Sagan and Einstein who were both agnostics. Also, despite the atheist Hawkings remarks about God, I still think he's a great scientist.

That guy in that video however has made no contribution to science whatsoever, he's made a few videos showing some chemical reactions (something taught to children in secondary school) and suddenly he's a great scientist? Not everyone with a lab coat should have their opinion taken seriously just because they're wearing such a coat. Some scientists recently claimed global warming "had stopped years ago" and this was quickly dismissed because they hadn't provided evidence.

Still I find you have missed my initial point as I'm not disputing H20 is unimportant. It's vital but it in no way can be compared to DNA in a piece by piece comparison of structure and functionality.

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CrazyOldTeenager
CrazyOldTeenager Feb 20 2013, 2:46am replied:
Medusa_Zenokva wrote: The DNAs structure is basic physic, nothing special constructed. Its like H2O, which is usually a gas but due to its electrostatic properties and under specific temperatures (such as we have on earth) it can form large H2O clusters which become the well known water.

Dude...what the heck have you been smoking? XD

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 20 2013, 3:08am replied:

Luckily I dont smoke anything at all. :P

Well, I seem to explained it quite odd, maybe my example was not correct as well. But what I meant with it remains: the structure of the DNA is a physical phonemonon, not an indication for design. We know that our diet can change the structure, which was one key element of evolution. Eating meat for example provided the material to develope bigger brains, because of its proteins and such.

Also drugs have affect the DNA structures, just to mention one downside of smoking and drinking. Thats why I dont destroy myself with that stuff.^^

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CrazyOldTeenager
CrazyOldTeenager Feb 20 2013, 4:30am replied:
Quote: the structure of the DNA is a physical phonemonon, not an indication for design.

Sounds like an excuse I'd make for not cleaning up my cooking mess.

"Really Mom, it's just physical phenomena! It's not like somebody actually cooked here!"

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 20 2013, 6:04am replied:

This respond sounds like a straw-man. Comparing DNA structure with cooking mess really is one. Or its just a bad chosen analogy, but in any case its wrong.

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CrazyOldTeenager
CrazyOldTeenager Feb 20 2013, 8:43am replied:

Nah, that was just one of my lame attempts at humor.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 20 2013, 12:17pm replied:

Oh, ok. Sorry then.^^

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Mr.Walrus
Mr.Walrus Feb 19 2013, 9:12pm says:

Lol I love how you use a Kelvin quote to start this off. Same man who said the x-ray was a hoax, the radio had no future, that airplanes were impossible, and that there was nothing new to be discovered in physics.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 19 2013, 11:13pm replied:

Would you rather me use Einstein's quote? Or Louis Pasteur's quote? All convey the same message.

Kelvin does not become a mockery because he scoffed at other scientific advancements. You're ignoring all that he contributed to science just because he disagreed with your little belief.

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 19 2013, 11:26pm replied:

Just ****** stop using quotes from stupid people, and yes I include Einstein and lots of others in their personal beliefs, even me and any human being alike as stupid - Im a misantrope for a reason. Stay objective and refer to the work they did, words mean nothing without that.

This “If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God.” is a personal conclusion which cannot be taken as objective result. So even if Einstein or any great man in science believed in a god, who gives a ****? Newton was a ****** creationists and believed in alchemy, do you want to take his word? Richard Dawkins is an agnostic atheist and yet he was a man of science, do you want to take his word as fact?

Make up your own mind and stay to the facts. Express you own conclusions and speculations as subjective. By that you walk a saver way unless someone like you comes across and shows his extremely bad reading comprehension.

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KnightofEquulei
KnightofEquulei Feb 22 2013, 5:28pm replied:

So you're saying you're more scientifically literate than Kelvin? GTFO Medusa. First you insult Newton and now Kelvin. How many more great minds will you insult just because they disagree with your evidenceless world-view? Also I don't think you know the meaning of the word misanthrope based on your posts on morality and justice.

"Stay objective and refer to the work they did, words mean nothing without that."

Then you misunderstand why I used the quote. I used the quote because it expressed my view. If you want to play it this way then tell your atheist group to stop posting quotes from stupid people (it even has quotes from them in the description of the group).

This is just hypocrisy at its best. If you don't support quoting then you wouldn't be part of the atheist group which disagrees (seemingly) with your own philosophy. Just more proof atheism is madness and a religious belief I guess.

"Newton was a ****** creationists and believed in alchemy"

Now you seriously prove you grossly misunderstand science here. The scientists of the past who "believed" in alchemy did so because there were results. We only have chemistry because of experiments with alchemy.

Alchemy was proved false because of all the tests and experiments but "magic" was discovered in the end in the form of chemistry the true miracle. Alchemists searched for ways to prolong life and in a way, their quest was completed through chemistry which has produced medicine that has extended human life along with other benefits alchemists would dub magical.

I thought you understood that theories/hypothesis/models rise and fall and are replaced anew when better ones come along. Seems I was wrong there.

"By that you walk a saver way unless someone like you comes across and shows his extremely bad reading comprehension"

Talking about yourself here? Because the quote was included to complement the image for God's sake...

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Medusa_Zenovka
Medusa_Zenovka Feb 23 2013, 10:20pm replied:

"Then you misunderstand why I used the quote. I used the quote because it expressed my view."

Ok, legit argument. The rest of your respond is irrelevant to me.

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PatchesTheAtheist
PatchesTheAtheist Apr 6 2013, 8:23am says:

Medusa, so you're a "victim" too huh? Don't worry, Trusty Patches understands. I hate priests for those reasons too. It happened to me too. We're the same you and I. Outcasts.

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“If you study science deep enough and long enough, it will force you to believe in God.”

–Lord William Kelvin

DNA shows such incredible complexity and construct. The structure of DNA is the same in every living creature once again providing more than enough evidence that a god was behind creation.

DNA is made of four bases with repeating sequences. This is the same in every creature but each individual has unique DNA.

When an artist paints a picture, they normally do it in a style that is theirs. Leonardo Da Vinci had his own style that he repeated with all his paintings. From a quick glance at one of his paintings, one could instantly say Leonardo had created it based on the style alone. The style that was repeated throughout out of his paintings. Likewise God used the same design in DNA for all creatures but yet it is unique in every individual.

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