You wake up in a dark alley, not knowing anything. What has happened anyway? You struggle after the truth and answers. Answers you want to know in the darkness and fear, which makes your heartbeat race like violent blows against your head. Where do "they" come from? What has happened? Are you just turning insane? The time is up; you can't stay there reading your smses forever. It's time to head out and find the answers. Cry of Fear is a singleplayer modification of Half-Life 1 which brings you the horror you've always been afraid of. It's a total conversion of Half-Life 1, which means it uses NO Half-Life 1 content or other peoples' files. It's all made exclusively by the developers. It also uses new gaming styles that you will rarely find in Half-Life mods, such as advanced cutscenes and other stuff that will be revealed at a later date.
This is a new campaign that is being made by Andreas Rönnberg (Team Psykskallar) and the Cry of Fear community. A total of 9 mappers have made this campaign, and it's basically the sequel to the community collab 1 campaign.
The campaign will be released together with patch 1.4, the 2nd of august.
Donate to get donator priveledges for patch 1.4: Cry-of-fear.com
Buy Cry of Fear t-shirts here: Teampsykskallar.spreadshirt.se
Get the Cry of Fear soundtrack here: Cdbaby.com
Is he cleaning his knife, or...? D:
Sharpening it
PRocessing :o
I can't wait. Who is that screaming btw O_O?
I don't want to know.
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That's right, it's your mom!
Yeah, because she saw your ugly *** face. :D
This is one of the problems I've always kind of had with the thematics of Cry of Fear. Self harm is strongly correlated with many forms mental illness, so sure, it's related to the game, but unless it's actually written into the story purposefully, it just seems like a cheap way to shock people.
I mean half this trailer was just Simon cutting himself vigorously, that's uncouth at best, and at worst it's actually offensive.
Offensive to people who self-harm I mean, you're just feeding off the stigma it already has.
I completely agree, the use of self-harm as shock value doesn't really bode well in this circumstance.
This comment really didn't deserve to get buried.
Cry of Fear is one of the most misunderstood mods ever made. I'm not sure if you understand, but the developers and community are well acquainted with depression and anxiety, including its many symptoms such as self-harm. This was made as a horror mod, but it's a lot more than just a cheap way of scaring people, and it's not in any way designed to make fun of those with these problems. It's an insight into the life of those who actually DO experience this, and we should know.
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No one who had ever had serious problems with depression or anxiety would ever use it in the way that this trailer does. I'm telling you that for an absolute fact. I have a friend who is CURRENTLY grappling with depression, self-harm, and schizophrenia, and she would be offended THE **** OUT by this trailer.
I think you have a depression gazor....that depression is attention deficit. And I'm sure you're cutting yourself right now pleasuring by the fact that we giving you the attention by hates. Are you that lonely that hate has become a form of attention to you?
Okay, so you officially don't understand a single term you just used.
Would someone care to explain to this guy what ADD, depression and self-harm are and how they actually work.
I agree but I think they need to put a warning before watching the trailer
I know how your friend feel
I wish she would feel better and happy
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It's not so much the mod itself, and it's not that I feel they are making fun of these topics, it's that they're just lazily feeding off the social stigma. Using shots of Simon vigorously self-harming for half the trailer is lazy, because it just plays on people's existing mentality of "Only the seriously mentally disturbed self-harm". You only have to look at the sheer number of "Haha emo" comments that the screenshot from this CS got on facebook to know what people's opinions are, and demonizing it in the way that this trailer does just encourages that.
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So no, I don't think they're making fun of it, and perhaps the CS itself deals with the topic of self-harm tentatively rather than just for shock value, but this trailer itself is deeply offensive and pretty socially irresponsible.
OMG, this is so cool! Bring this game in store and take my money!
Grat now i can freak the f**k out all over :D
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why do you put the dates backwards it needs to be 08/02/2012 not 02/08/2012
In Europe the day comes first and considering how this is a mod that was made in an european country, it would make sense for it to be in that format.
I'm on a team that has members from both Europe and America (among other places) we do year/month/day so nobody gets confused :D
that sux, the normal is the complete opposite
america is not all over the world ...
It's really a shame to see so much talent and skill coming together for a mod, which looks like a great ride and then have the people who made the mod display themselves publicly as completely socially oblivious and ignorant. Presenting an offensive and inconsiderate trailer like this and then showing no understanding whatsoever about why the trailer is problematic, even reacting with aggression really drags the whole project down. Not cool at all.
This comment drama going on here reminds me of RedFog...
It is absolutely fascinating to witness, how you guys are literally completely unable to cope with criticism. There's a guy who tells you he's offended and your answer is "no, it's not offensive. And if you don't like it, go away"
You guys can't even be logically consisten for two (!) sentences here. Those two statemenets do not go together: "We are not disrespectful AND we don't respect your feelings". How can people be so self-centered and defensive that they lack this basic simple set of social skills and social intelligence? How can someone just pile on the offensive remarks, (yeah, you, ruMpel), pile on and on and gather allies in piling on the offensive behavior and expect to in any way not come out of this situation like a classless troglodyte?
Man, get your act together. Common courtesy is not "licking someone's ***"... it's common courtesy. You are doing nothing but mark your territory with your urin here and asking anyone who can't stand the smell to gtfo,... like a dog. Man-up, dude.
Shutup, its a game, go do something else if you don't like it
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timmybus please stop! The irony, it's too much! You're killing me! xD
Alright,... At least you are logically consistent now. Oh, the irony.
Because you make art (I put games and mods etc. in that category) for yourself and not, like Andreas said, to kiss the *** of everyone.
You can't make something everyone is going to agree with. You can't change everything just because some minor gets offended by it.
How many musicians get offended by Guitar Hero?
How many War Veterans get offended by War Games?
How many women will get offended when the next Tomb Raider drops?
Should Cannibal Corpse stop making extreme Gory album covers just because mommies get offended by it?
This list could go on forever.
"and gather allies in piling on the offensive behavior"
Each individual decides for himself if he wants to participate in this hogwash and how he acts in it.
I choose to be offensive because it is the only language some pricks seem to understand.
tl;dr: Take your opinion and take it with you. Make a more peaceful mod if you like to.
Lmao Andreas, why are you so damn rude to people who are able to clearly communicate their honest opinion on this trailer? Bit hypocritical of you, no?
I'm the rude one: Moddb.com
Niiice.
Jesus Christ, you think gazornonplat would stop posting, but nope.
Let me show you something:
"Hey, Gazornonplat.
Thanks for your input here. I understand that the images we use are quite drastic and deal with sensitive subject matter. While it is our intend to shock (it's the horror genre after all) we are not looking to make people feel bad. So, since this trailer clearly did upset you, I apologize.
That being said, I probably will not change a thing here. The images used are there because of my artistic vision, which I feel would be compromised, if I changed the trailer. As I said, self-harm and mental illnesses are sensitive issues and I keep that in mind with any new media release. But different people have different opinions, and while I take many opinions, such as yours, into consideration, when push comes to shove my own personal artistic vision will be paramount.
So, again thanks for your input and make sure you stay tuned for future media releases. Maybe when you play the mod, you might like it."
See, wasn't that difficult. Why get homophobic? Why bully people into shutting up? Why delete comments? Why do stupid photoshop insults? (BTW, I'm insulted, that only gazorn got shopped... where is my ugly face job?)
That's why I call you guys out for being unable to cope with criticism. Rejecting criticism without disrespecting the source of the criticism is a skill you guys obviously lack. We can have all the debate in the world about art and on that front I actually agree satoru: there will never be full consensus on art and strong art is always bound to offend someone.
But when the author/artist behind that art behaves like a homophobe, like a bully and like an ignorant in response to criticism, it turns his art into a product of a homophobeignorantbully. This is not how you stand up for your art. ruMpel is failing to represent his mod and he is failing games as an art form, maybe not as an designer (haven't played the mod) but as a human being.
Hey you ******* prick, this was not made to shock anyone. It's only made because I wanted to give Simon some more character. How many times do I need to say this? If you don't like it, beat it!
Alright, the comments are obviously now going in circles and I have nothing productive more to add. Best of luck with your mod, you obviously spend a lot of time and dedicated work on it. I'm out.
Objection. This mod has already all the best luck they have. Deal with it.
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You're hilarious, really. He pretty much just summed up how any reasonable person would respond to the criticism of their work, and you've just added more evidence to the fact that you're not a reasonable person at all; you're blunt and abusive and without any capacity for empathy whatsoever.
And he was wrong.
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About what?
Why should he take the time to write a letter to someone who doesn't like all the work he's put into making a free game and is spamming him?
Actually ruMpel responded just fine in the actual article that you guys wrote and you probably should have simply left it at that.
However instead you people continue to post inflammatory comments in order to produce a reaction from the devs and the community so that you can have a more "compelling" article.
In fact you used reply's to gazornonplat initial comment in your article which means this was all a ploy to get content for your article.
I'm putting down 5 dollars that they will use the negative comments from here in another article in order to capitalize on all this.
If you notice this is similar tactics that FOX news uses in order to defame the opposition.
How does it feel to have the equivalent of FOX news,es journalistic integrity?
You might believe that this is just a crazy conspiracy theory about your blog but as soon as you write another article about this mod using the angry responses as fuel for the publicity then .EVERY.SINGLE.PERSON. In this entire thread and anyone who has read this comment will know that i am right about you and that is worth the possible 5 dollars lost.
@jo291
You have no clue, what you are talking about and the fact that didn't you even spend 30seconds looking who comments here, and who wrote the article really just proves all the points I'm making throughout this discussion.
Neither I, nor gazorn are responsible for the contents of the article you are referencing. All your charges and oh so smart conclusions are based on a premise you were either too lazy or too blinded by bias to check...
It baffles me to see someone who is obviously smart enough to see through FOX's story-manufacturing-schemes and tactics (because I so ******* agree with you there)..., someone who is obviously smart enough to use fox news comparisons as an insult... then end up posting something so off the mark and basking himself in his unfounded smart-assery.
And setting up this "when you do this, everyone will know I'm right"-trap is a lousy tactic. Did you fell for stuff like this yourself? Or do you really think the author of the article is that insecure? Yawwwwn.
But btw I'm going to write an article myself, this weekend on my blog: howtonotsuckatgamedesign dot com which will deal with the subject matter. You can question my journalistic integrity then.
Its not a lousy trap because just like he used the comments in the last article you will apparently do so too.
Again that proves that you are continuing to post inflammatory comments for use in your article in order to represent team psykiller and its fans in a negative light.
Even though we all know that the only reason he and us posted those replies was because gazornplat continued to spam inflammatory comments even after we asked him to stop. Even when his article was already done with.
You can try to squirm around this all you want but that's basically what happened. Gazornplat STILL hasn't replied to my last comment and this only gives more credence to my conclusion because it makes it seem like he only wanted to talk to people who would get really mad and swear and cuss and scream at him.
Also its actually pretty offensive to me someone who used to self harm almost everyday that all the people writing these articles have never actually self harmed before. And your all telling ME what i should be offended about?
Thats total BS its like you think all people who self harm are going to look at this trailer and come to the very stretched and contrived reasoning that it reinforces a stigma that isn't even there (in the trailer).
Well no that isn't what is going to happen in fact the only people who have come to this conclusion so far is you guys.
Your looking for something that isn't even there.
"Its not a lousy trap because just like he used the comments in the last article you will apparently do so too."
- I will not use the comments… the comments themselves are the subject of the article, including my own and garzon's. So people will be able to judge for themselves how things are. Especially because I will of course provide links to the original conversations, so it's not edited by me.
"Again that proves that you are continuing to post inflammatory comments for use in your article in order to represent team psykiller and its fans in a negative light."
- somebody replying to criticism with "******" is not a question of light. I admit that my comments are provokative, but that is wbecause I call things like they are. It is shameful behaviour, so I call it shameful. That feels bad, I know. But I'm not going to sugarcoat it.
"Even though we all know that the only reason he and us posted those replies was because gazornplat continued to spam inflammatory comments even after we asked him to stop. Even when his article was already done with."
- I would start an argument with you on that. But since the protocol clearly shows, that rumpel's homophobic remarks, his deleting of critical comments and his derogatory attempts at silencing garzon all happen waaaaayyy before garzon lost his good manners… what you assert "all of you know" has nothing to do with what actually occured. And even if, nobody forced rumpel into homophobic remarks, nobody forced him into deleting that comments.
"You can try to squirm around this all you want but that's basically what happened. Gazornplat STILL hasn't replied to my last comment and this only gives more credence to my conclusion because it makes it seem like he only wanted to talk to people who would get really mad and swear and cuss and scream at him."
- Logical fallacy. You put up a claim, you have to prove it. You can't just shift the burden of proof to garzon, demanding that he comments to disprove your claims and then call it a win if he ignores you. How about I say, that I got a picture of you where your drunk and give yourself a *******, which is now true until you explicitly deny that. Since answering this post will take you a few minutes, and maybe you don't address my claim at all, it will be true for some time. See how this ******** does not work?
"Also its actually pretty offensive to me someone who used to self harm almost everyday that all the people writing these articles have never actually self harmed before. And your all telling ME what i should be offended about?"
- I don't think suffering from a situation is a necessary prerequisite to be allowed to do something about it. But I respect your critique here. When you say, you are offended I have to take it at face value, because you are the only one in the position to judge that. It is not my intend to offend you and I don't think you deserve to be offended. And therefore I apologize. I also now assume that you have done self-harm yourself. If that's a wrong assumption, please correct me.
"Thats total BS its like you think all people who self harm are going to look at this trailer and come to the very stretched and contrived reasoning that it reinforces a stigma that isn't even there (in the trailer). Well no that isn't what is going to happen in fact the only people who have come to this conclusion so far is you guys.
Your looking for something that isn't even there."
- well, I worked for a year in a psychiatric clinic (some alternative to military service here in germany). And it is well documented that the stigma does exist. I worked with people who are seriously suffering by the social repercussions that come with having scarred arms. If you haven't experienced those kind of marginalization and stigma with self-harm yourself or know someone who has, that is great. I wish you nothing bad at all. But it is very self-centered to conclude from your experiences or knowledge that you know all there is to know. It is also very dangerous, especially when making such assertions about sensitive subjects with people involved who are under serious psychological stress, have social problems and sometimes even contemplate suicide. So, what you say isn't there, is very much there. It's not some wild guess, or me telling others how they should feel.
So all of you don't care that cry of fear has extreme violence, swearing, heavy suicide/self harm themes, pedophilia, themes of murder and mental illnesses
But you all rage over an "offensive" animation
Ok.
I know right Gazornonplat is retarded of all the things i would say that depression is least important compared to suicide, podophilia, and violence. But i do agree self-harm isn't good but to rage about it over this amazing mod is just wrong. RuMpel had a great idea to implement it because it shows how truly ****** up Simon's mind is. And you feel bad about it.