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CrazyGoat Always very :tired:
Apr 17 2007, 8:15am Anchor

A WORD OF ADVICE: Please see posts below too for more updated informations. This happened when I tried to modify this very post

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MODIFIED April, 18. 2007

Order of install is important here and I forgot to tell you about that: AOL Kaspersky based antivirus should be installed first, then other products you want, since it checks are some other products installed and if they are, it will require to remove them. Also, setting the AOL AVS file scanning on access to high may result in very slow performance. More detailed explanations and tips for settings coming soon, I hope.


Hello to all and I hope that you will, by reading this, find some useful information about PC safety. Please note this here is my opinion only, not moddb requirement for anyone here, therefore, these are more just like tips of some sort from the somewhat average user addressing to the general internet users population that also visits moddb among other websites and potentially bring troubles here with their unsecured PCs. I asked the management (admin/mods) here to sticky this if anyone here find it useful and make it open for others to post in here and I use this opportunity to thank them. Also I would like to apologize for my not-so-good english and because I’m going to state the obvious things often, since this is made for those that are not quite aware of the security on the internet and don’t use any system protection; therefore I hope I’ll remain understandable to the community and others who browse. My intentions are to make this topic about two major things: one is your Windows based PC security and the other is maintenance of your Windows based PC. You can also search over the internet for many other guides and tips about this kind of things, like security and maintenance, but I already know about many of those tips&tricks, so I’m also using my, hopefully, enough long experience as a reference, since my propositions of the products to be installed on your PC are verified either on my own PC, or on the PC’s of my friends. However, this is just the short version about the basics of the PC safety; please try to find some more detailed explanations elsewhere if you find something here hard to understand, or just post a question here then. The combination of the software I’m going to give here shouldn’t cause system instability or some other incompatibility, since there wasn’t any until the present day, neither had I heard of any on the internet. So here it goes: let’s make some things straight at the beginning:

1)There is not 100% security on the internet (as in real life, for that matter ;) ), even with the commercial products. While we are (for now) at it, I would like to point out that currently the top 3 commercial products (check for some independent rating of computer protection products) would be NOD32, Kaspersky and, as far as I can think of – therefore, this third one is the particularly personally subjective opinion – would be Bitdefender Also I want to recommend it to you to always strive for the prevention, and one of those would be Prevex1 and if you’re going to buy a product, see it is all inclusive, e.g. “internet security” within the product name, that usually means it has firewall, antivirus, antispyware, rootkit detection, privacy, script, dial and whatsoever control and similar in itself as one product. As for the rest, I’ll try to speak only about FREE products, which will mean we will have to use a combination of several free products. In some rare occasions, those products can conflict each other, therefore causing system instability, but in order to achieve at least some degree of the computer security offered by all-in-one commercial computer security product, we’ll have to take that chance).

2)Security lies in the habits of the user: user must update regularly protection products and/or Windows, scans PC at least once a week for malware infections, avoid visiting web-sites that are generally considered as distributors of malware (the term malware is a wide one, and I’ll use it here for all kind of malicious activities against you and on your PC including, but not limited to viruses, trojans/worms, rootkits, hacker intrusion, endangering privacy, etc.). No updating = greater risk.

3)Try to always check what is on your PC and what is currently running ( with the download link at the bottom of the webpage for more viewable processes; for hidden, like rootkits, use and the download link is at the bottom of the webpage also note that some computer security products use rootkit like technology to protect themselves in order to work properly, Kaspersky for example does that) and what are you downloading and installing. For that matter, a lot of computer security providers like to say they are the best ones (figures ;) ). Also, a lot of commercial computer security providers are saying that their product has successfully completed certain tests and gained certain certificates. The top three websites, where you could check out is it a computer security product that you want on your PC really that good, would be these:

4)Most of the files can be obtained from including some Windows files (like the updated DirectX 9.0c redistributable). However, for system maintenance, would be the place to download a program for removing leftovers from the uninstalled drivers (refer to readme of the program after you install it). You can also go to the for some more free or paid programs and their reviews.

Now to the point which is, in my opinion, the best possible combination of computer security products. But again, some tips: don’t use Microsoft Internet Explorer, use Firefox or Opera instead ( for Firefox internet browser and for Opera internet browser). In any case, whatever internet browser you use, you should also pay a visit to the, download and install it and then relay on in it to guide you through the google search results by showing you right beside the results which websites are safe, and which are not (although don’t believe it completely, some sites marked red/dangerous aren’t really that, while on the other hands I had some issues with the green/OK sites, but it is still better that than browsing and clicking on any google/yahoo/ask search result which may bring harm to your PC). I’ll will not discuss here about Windows programs like Live Care, or Windows Defender and especially not about Windows integrated firewall (it is not good almost at all) that shows up with the Service Pack 2 installed on you Windows XP installation (it is recommended to install Service Pack 2 for your Windows XP and then after that download and install in the required order updates for Service Pack 2 from Microsoft or via integrated Windows update. You can check is it Service Pack 2 installed in System Properties window and to go there, right click my computer icon and left click Properties). Someone might say that using Macintosh or Linux distribution based PC is much safer. They are partially right since there are not many malware designed for those OS and there is free protection also for those systems ( and ). However, they are just less attacked and less vulnerable than Windows XP OS (OS means operative system, for those that don’t know, I apologize to those who know, but just like I wrote earlier, I’m trying to make this for general internet user population); that doesn’t mean they are invulnerable. Also note that malware computer infection doesn’t necessary come from the internet always, it can reach you via infected media too (floppy, USB flash, CD/DVD and similar, if they are infected with some malware at the first place of course). So, the Trinity of Security would be:

A)For file scanning and overall computer safety download and install FREE AOL Active Virus Shield that is using famous Kaspersky antivirus engine. Note that some of the features here are disabled compared to the commercial full product from Kaspersky. Don’t forget to check your e-mail you give them before download; it contains your activation key for the AOL AVS. Please don’t forget to update it regularly.

B)For web protection/internet safety, download and install FREE avast! (I’ll try to explain later how to disable it’s file scanning, also know as Standard resident protection, leaving it from interfering with AOS AVS). Don’t forget to update it too regularly and register it for free on their website. You have for that, as far as I can remember, 60 days.

C)As for application control, privacy protection, defense from hacker, we’ll need as a firewall with integrated application control and privacy protection.

D)Additional software: is for scanning your PC against ads malware that may infect your PC. is a program that helps you clear internet cache, temporary files and recently viewed and applications that you had run and can be misused by malware attackers. It will also free you some space from things you don’t need any more on your PC.

I will not explain here all of them specifically, refer to their readme files and website community or FAQs. If you can’t handle your problems that way, then post them here, I (or someone else here who know how to help) will try to give you some advices.

STILL TO DO: To describe you some of the advanced options of some of the programs and how to configure them. Generally, it is wise to set everything to high, BUT BE ADVISED: that can lead to poor performance of the overall system, not only in games. Much of the products have somewhere an option to exclude applications and/or folders from scanning and checking, thus greatly leaving space for that particular application you chose to be excluded in order to run normally. Note to those with (s)lower system that maybe (although not likely) with 3 or more computer security programs running on you PC may slow down PC performance even more, although not necessarily. That is why I’ll try to additionally post advanced options how to disable avast! file scanning and leave that to AOL Kaspersky based antivirus and how to respond to Kerio firewall when asks about certain application asking to connect to the internet (generally, the rule here is to only allow to those program you know are legit, that you installed them and that you know they require internet connection, and vice versa, to deny access to the internet to those programs you don’t know are they legit and why they even require internet connection).

DISCLAMER: Under any circumstance I can not be held responsible for any unwanted effect caused by you following these instructions. Please be advised that anything you do on your PC is your responsibility. The names of the computer security products and their owners/companies are their respective intellectual property, not mine.

So, as my sig says…

Edited by (in order): CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat


Really good luck in everything that is really good.

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ShortCutMan ♥ Pure ♥ Bred ♥ Geek ♥
Apr 17 2007, 8:31am Anchor

More suited for Tech Support actually, Suggestions, Comments and Complaints for stuff regarding Mod DB. But Tech Support is general PC trouble shooting stuff and that applies there!

I'll sticky it if people give it a read through and verify all the (tremendous amount of) information. I can't myself as it doesn't apply, different OS for me.


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ambershee Nimbusfish Rawks
Apr 17 2007, 8:53am Anchor

All looks kosher to me. I use a lot of that software myself ^^

Apr 17 2007, 9:15am Anchor

Pretty darn good stuff, and since there isn't even a single sticky in this forum that it has been moved to, then I shall make it a sticky. :)

Of course, I modified your title for correct capitalization. Hope you don't mind.


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CrazyGoat Always very :tired:
Apr 17 2007, 10:48am Anchor

MODIFIED August, 07. 2007

The has ended distribution of free Kaspersky based AV. Now it is using McAfee (much weaker in my opinion, however, based only by the results on websites that compare several AV products) and it seems only for AOL users (never tried it so far, hopefully I will and update this here too, hopefully again with good news). In the other news is a place to download an iso file of free knoppix based live cd containing Bitdefender v9 Rescue disk. Or, a smaller (and I don't is it maybe good enough) ISO of knoppix enthusiasts . Long story short: download them to the uninfected and stable PC that has CD burning capabilities, burn the ISO to the empty CD, place it into the optical drive (DVD/CD) ROM (close it), restart pc, make sure that in BIOS the booting priority is given to CD/DVD drive, that is, leave it to boot before HDD, follow the instructions, download/install/compile/whatevertheywantfromyou, UPDATE ALL SOFTWARE, set it up for good, thorough inspection and scan your PC from CD/DVD ROM that will use only your system RAM to place files, not your HDD, hence you can use either of them to scan your (often) MS Windows based PC. Don't forget to go through the documentation and instructions to gain knowledge of the rich features on both distributions and how to use them for your own good ;) .


At this point, I would like to brag about why use products mentioned above and not some other. It is, of course, your free will to experiment with other products as well, this is just my opinion why are in the Trinity of Security are those above mentioned and not some other products. Let’s start with firewalls: on you can see the list of firewalls, however, only 3 of them are the most updated: Kerio Sunbelt, Zone Alarm and Comodo. Why Kerio, you may ask. Well, I tried Zone Alarm for a certain time period (6.75 version) and during the day of my computer work, it would suddenly block the internet access, leaving me with the only known option – reboot the PC. Also, I saw somewhere on these forums it can be pain in the “bottom” for some applications. And of course, here is a rumor as a cream to the cake: allegedly, ZA had connections with a server in a certain country in the world. I can’t remember the whole story, but it goes either by sending or receiving (or both) secret, hidden data from that server in a certain country. Was it spying or controlling the people and their habits, I don’t know. And why not Comodo, you may ask too; well, as far as I can recall, Comodo caused some problems on some machines and Comodo earns their money from giving (SSL) certificates to the websites that they are safe, and therefore why they should put their efforts in creating a good firewall (although someone could say that since they test website, they have experience. Maybe they do, but still…), when they don’t even provide you with an option to buy it (it just tells about the quality of the product, in my opinion. You can buy Kerio and gain an even more powerful product). But it’s up to you, would it be Kerio or Comodo, both are quite up to the task; or you can chose some other and verify it is good and post something about it here then, please :)).

Now about antivirus ant let it be the first Comodo antivirus. Yes, you have read that right, Comodo offers a free antivirus (currently version 2, beta). Now the suggestion: DON”T INSTALL IT YET. That thing is still unstable (judging by the reviews of the other users on the internet) and as far as I can tell, it didn’t pass the required test (check again the relevant websites for products they deem certified). Why not AVG, AVIRA, avast!... well, why use that when you can have a superior Kaspersky on your system, right? I just placed avast! here to compensate for the lack of web scanning in AOL AVS, since it is a reduced functionality of the full Kaspersky commercial product (which has web scanning). avast! contains several modules just for internet protection, and one for resident, activity scanning (Linux users here could tell us something more about avast! and AVG since they offer free products for Linux too).

Thank you all, especially to you Karuto. I'll modify the upper post, or I'll make a new post with some updates, minor tips and similar. Thank you for your support :)

Edited by (in order): CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat, CrazyGoat


Really good luck in everything that is really good.

If you lack experience, for your own sake and for the well being of the others on the internet, including the fine folks here at the ModDB and AddonDB and anywhere else please CLICK HERE. Thank you

...and also don't forget to visit this website too... unless you are already there, then don't forget to come back here :moddb:

Dragonlord Linux-Dragon of quick wit and sharp tongue
Apr 17 2007, 12:06pm Anchor

Looks like a comprehensive list to me. Yet I can not confirm it as I use Linux: All round security with only one Software.


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May 14 2007, 8:08am Anchor

haha im using a virus programe which i cant name because of TERMS+CONDITIONS and forgot the name so ill post it next time when i can be bothered to post again and the virus porgram which has expired on the january that just went and all im doing is changing the SYSTEM date back until DECEMBER 1st 2006 so i can just keep using it and when it expired it wouldnt work so i think i just did the obvious thing and its still working now...........
so im not losing out and no viruses for me!!!!!..........
UNTIL NEXT TIME BYE..................

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