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Ronnie42
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Jul 3 2013, 9:28pm Anchor

I'm unclear if this is user is posing as a 'fake' guest nonsense profile for trolling or if it really is a placeholder "temporary placeholder for mods that have been listed without registered developers", I have had to remove offensive comment's, report the account,  I believe that guest's shouldn't be allowed.

I strongly believe that the site should have some form of member's verification for their account with a legit email since many people like myself put a lot of work into our project's, made to feel discouraged to improve our skill's by troll's and still check sometime's, have had plenty of good support in the past, interest in my project's in the past.

Anyway I tried contacting the admin via a report a few day's ago, haven't heard anything back yet so I'm a bit confused. :S

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 3 2013, 11:43pm Anchor

Guests are people who do not sign up. It is not just one account. Anything deleted from a member who has since been removed defaults to that account for the sake of having it there.

Guest commenting will stay, developers and permission holders have the permissions to remove comments. It is a two way street since 80% of the time the guest comments are actually good.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 4 2013, 8:23am Anchor

I have never seen any good comment's from guest's, mostly trolling, I just think something should be done about these type's of dummy account's. -_-
What's to stop a guest/guest's spamming the entire website? I have been here a while, barely ever seen guest's compared to normal member's.

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 4 2013, 9:02pm Anchor
ronnie42 wrote:I have never seen any good comment's from guest's, mostly trolling, I just think something should be done about these type's of dummy account's. -_-
What's to stop a guest/guest's spamming the entire website? I have been here a while, barely ever seen guest's compared to normal member's.

IP locking for duplicated comments, time imposed limits on how many can happen per hour, normal visitors can filter the comments (karma posting). You must not see a lot of comments or have some weird sort of selective viewing if you have not noticed the thousands of other comments.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 5 2013, 8:05am Anchor
Henley wrote:
ronnie42 wrote:I have never seen any good comment's from guest's, mostly trolling, I just think something should be done about these type's of dummy account's. -_-
What's to stop a guest/guest's spamming the entire website? I have been here a while, barely ever seen guest's compared to normal member's.

IP locking for duplicated comments, time imposed limits on how many can happen per hour, normal visitors can filter the comments (karma posting). You must not see a lot of comments or have some weird sort of selective viewing if you have not noticed the thousands of other comments.


The IP block is only a temporary solution since there's nothing stopping them from changing their IP or using a Proxy. Also no, I honestly haven't seen as many guest's as some people seem to see, I don't appreciate the sarcastic comment. :S As for the time imposed limit's that sort of seem's helpful, I honestly haven't seen many guest comment's, this is the first time I have to delete one for trolling.

Also maybe I do miss the rare guest comment's since they haven't been as common to me but there isn't a need to be condescending about the selective hearing.
Anyway please be respectful since we're trying to talk about guest's and them being mis-used for trolling. :tired:

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 7 2013, 9:05pm Anchor
ronnie42 wrote:
Henley wrote:
ronnie42 wrote:I have never seen any good comment's from guest's, mostly trolling, I just think something should be done about these type's of dummy account's. -_-
What's to stop a guest/guest's spamming the entire website? I have been here a while, barely ever seen guest's compared to normal member's.

IP locking for duplicated comments, time imposed limits on how many can happen per hour, normal visitors can filter the comments (karma posting). You must not see a lot of comments or have some weird sort of selective viewing if you have not noticed the thousands of other comments.


The IP block is only a temporary solution since there's nothing stopping them from changing their IP or using a Proxy. Also no, I honestly haven't seen as many guest's as some people seem to see, I don't appreciate the sarcastic comment. :S As for the time imposed limit's that sort of seem's helpful, I honestly haven't seen many guest comment's, this is the first time I have to delete one for trolling.

Also maybe I do miss the rare guest comment's since they haven't been as common to me but there isn't a need to be condescending about the selective hearing.
Anyway please be respectful since we're trying to talk about guest's and them being mis-used for trolling. :tired:


Wait you have only deleted one comment? Then this is really a non-issue. When you have hundreds of comments over an afternoon then we can talk. I am not being sarcastic, a lot of developers have what I like to call 'tunnel vision' meaning they care only about their own products/brands and any down talk they overreact to the whole issue. Not saying you're overreacting per-say but some perspective is a good thing. Count yourself lucky if this is all you need to deal with, spam will always be an issue regardless of where you put your stuff.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 8 2013, 11:35am Anchor

It's not just 'one' comment anymore, the user is a repeat offender and had to delete the guest insult's severly time's now, I want the option to either have the account type removed or blocked from commenting on my account, I shouldn't have to hunt down every troll related comment since I would prefer to spending my time on my project's instead of getting annoyed at some degrading comment's to try lower my self-esteem.

Of course I'm not over-reacting. If I put a lot of work, barely get much feedback then stupid troll keep's coming back then why shouldn't I be annoyed? It just seem's to me like guest account's are a way to mis-use the system, to avoid being banned because there's no way for me to know which guest are the one trolling.  :paranoid:

One more I thing I joined the site year's back because I like talking to people on this site about improving my own skill's, not to put up with disrespectful comment's on my wall page, etc... :rolleyes:

One more I understand the difference between 'Critism', just plain trolling. When someone tell's you 'you suck!', 'you should quit!' then why shouldn't I be offended?, I just think it's about time guest's be removed, replaced with a basic account setup so there forced to make a account with email verification then at least I can report the account, hopefully have the troll's IP banned.

Edited by: Ronnie42

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 8 2013, 10:05pm Anchor

Ok so I looked through all of your stuff and I could only find three comments, one delete on your blog post and another two on separate images. There is a reason we allow developers to delete comments so please use that tool to clean up your content to remove unwanted things like this.

Having said that this is indeed an over-reaction. Any user could post the same comments and it is not something we would ban them for, they are entitled to their own opinions just as you're entitled to post your work. Even if we did ban them they can always make another account and come back. The truth is you will get this behavior from many different places on the net, when you put your work out there some will not like it and some of those people will tell you that either in a constructive manner or just how ever they desire.

As I have stated, guest comments serve a purpose, they get used all the time for the right reasons.

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Jul 9 2013, 12:01am Anchor

hmmmmm

Jul 9 2013, 1:37am Anchor

If you ignore them they tend to go away.

Like you said,

ronnie42 wrote:One more I thing I joined the site year's back because I like talking to people on this site about improving my own skill's, not to put up with disrespectful comment's on my wall page, etc... :rolleyes:.

So improve your skills and ignore the trolls.  In 1994 developers/modders never payed attention to any of the trolls because there was very to busy developing/modding to read everything talked about their work.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 9 2013, 8:54am Anchor
TheHappyFriar wrote:If you ignore them they tend to go away.

Like you said,

ronnie42 wrote:One more I thing I joined the site year's back because I like talking to people on this site about improving my own skill's, not to put up with disrespectful comment's on my wall page, etc... :rolleyes:.

So improve your skills and ignore the trolls.  In 1994 developers/modders never payed attention to any of the trolls because there was very to busy developing/modding to read everything talked about their work.


I would ignore them but at the time I assumed mass vandalism on a regular basis, everyone has their own working pattern's but checking comment's for feedback is something I try to do so it's kind of degrading to find insult's, feeling like I'm expected to be supposed to guess if the comment's are going to be trolling or something helpful/positive. As for troll's I tend to 'block' them usually on different sites to avoid having to put up with the 'what if' scenario.

Edited by: Ronnie42

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 9 2013, 8:00pm Anchor
ronnie42 wrote:
TheHappyFriar wrote:If you ignore them they tend to go away.

Like you said,

ronnie42 wrote:One more I thing I joined the site year's back because I like talking to people on this site about improving my own skill's, not to put up with disrespectful comment's on my wall page, etc... :rolleyes:.

So improve your skills and ignore the trolls.  In 1994 developers/modders never payed attention to any of the trolls because there was very to busy developing/modding to read everything talked about their work.


I would ignore them but at the time I assumed mass vandalism on a regular basis, everyone has their own working pattern's but checking comment's for feedback is something I try to do so it's kind of degrading to find insult's, feeling like I'm expected to be supposed to guess if the comment's are going to be trolling or something helpful/positive. As for troll's I tend to 'block' them usually on different sites to avoid having to put up with the 'what if' scenario.


It was not "mass vandalism" it was a handful of comments someone made. Please do not make this into something it is not.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 10 2013, 10:28am Anchor
Henley wrote:
ronnie42 wrote:
TheHappyFriar wrote:If you ignore them they tend to go away.

Like you said,

ronnie42 wrote:One more I thing I joined the site year's back because I like talking to people on this site about improving my own skill's, not to put up with disrespectful comment's on my wall page, etc... :rolleyes:.

So improve your skills and ignore the trolls.  In 1994 developers/modders never payed attention to any of the trolls because there was very to busy developing/modding to read everything talked about their work.


I would ignore them but at the time I assumed mass vandalism on a regular basis, everyone has their own working pattern's but checking comment's for feedback is something I try to do so it's kind of degrading to find insult's, feeling like I'm expected to be supposed to guess if the comment's are going to be trolling or something helpful/positive. As for troll's I tend to 'block' them usually on different sites to avoid having to put up with the 'what if' scenario.


It was not "mass vandalism" it was a handful of comments someone made. Please do not make this into something it is not.


Never said it was mass Vandalism but there is no reason whatsoever to say it couldn't turn into 'mass vandalism'.

Also I never said it wasn't or was 'Mass Vandalism' but to be fair it certainly seem's like it's turning that way but I also said that I already started to delete the comment's, don't want this to become a frequent pattern.

If you read into the main topic, you'll notice I was trying to get the basic account idea down since it would mean 'trolls' would need to make an official account with Captcha code, email so that it would be less easy to make dummy account's for trolling since IP blocking can only work so far since they can send a fake IP address to the website..

This is getting tirseome, seem's the trolling is still continueing, deleting even more, heck even checked the guest account, the account is trolling other user's too, they need to ban the troll's I.P address.

Edited by: Ronnie42

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*Don*
*Don* Mist of Stagnation Developer
Jul 28 2013, 12:35am Anchor

Fish?

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Ronnie42
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Jul 28 2013, 1:08pm Anchor
*Don* wrote:Fish?

I'm assuming you mean 'fish' as in this, his twitter message:

The whole trolling, harsh comment's against him led to him quitting and I'm pretty sure this won't be the last. If moddb want's to support developer's, indy project's, mod's, etc... then they need to at least give us the power to stop these harsh comment's on the website.

The thing is there's a difference between Critism and just plain insult's, well some people take it too far, the fact is people like to share their work, sometime's the work feel's like it's being vandalised via the troll's.

Edited by: Ronnie42

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Jul 28 2013, 2:06pm Anchor

Believe it or not, the status of a person's account does not affect the likelihood of them trolling. Case in point:

Indiedb.com This d*** is everywhere and has more than 700 mean, unhelpful, overly-negative, and generally nasty comments to his name.

Developers have myriad tools to deal with overly negative or trolling comments directly (deleting them, for instance) and users (both registered and not) will more often than not vote down such comments into oblivion (the exception being those rare cases where the developer in question actually DOES deserve what they're getting).

Part of being an artist (oh yes, video game developers are indeed artists) is learning to deal with people inevitably being asses to you. You either grow a thick skin, or you stop being an artist.

You should not punish the law-abiding majority because of a misbehaving minority to protect the Phil Fish'es of the world. The Phil Fish'es of the world don't deserve it, the troublemakers would be undeterred, and the legitimate users would have one less freedom.

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*Don*
*Don* Mist of Stagnation Developer
Jul 28 2013, 4:43pm Anchor
ronnie42 wrote: If moddb want's to support developer's, indy project's, mod's, etc... then they need to at least give us the power to stop these harsh comment's on the website.

They do, you can delete any post you want to on your page.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 28 2013, 10:44pm Anchor
*Don* wrote:
ronnie42 wrote: If moddb want's to support developer's, indy project's, mod's, etc... then they need to at least give us the power to stop these harsh comment's on the website.

They do, you can delete any post you want to on your page.


Already mentioned something earlier but I was meaning the power to block certain user's from commenting on our game/profile page's since It's a huge pain to backtrack for troll related comment's.

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Henley
Henley the sun never sets on the eternally cool
Jul 29 2013, 12:13pm Anchor
ronnie42 wrote:
*Don* wrote:
ronnie42 wrote: If moddb want's to support developer's, indy project's, mod's, etc... then they need to at least give us the power to stop these harsh comment's on the website.

They do, you can delete any post you want to on your page.


Already mentioned something earlier but I was meaning the power to block certain user's from commenting on our game/profile page's since It's a huge pain to backtrack for troll related comment's.


That would oppose the entire nature of the website. What is the point of allowing communication if you want to not have communication. If our community cannot talk or give their opinions on your work then there is little point to it all. 3 comments is not something you should get so worked up over.

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Ronnie42
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Jul 29 2013, 6:37pm Anchor
Henley wrote:
ronnie42 wrote:
*Don* wrote:
ronnie42 wrote: If moddb want's to support developer's, indy project's, mod's, etc... then they need to at least give us the power to stop these harsh comment's on the website.

They do, you can delete any post you want to on your page.


Already mentioned something earlier but I was meaning the power to block certain user's from commenting on our game/profile page's since It's a huge pain to backtrack for troll related comment's.


That would oppose the entire nature of the website. What is the point of allowing communication if you want to not have communication. If our community cannot talk or give their opinions on your work then there is little point to it all. 3 comments is not something you should get so worked up over.


How is it? nothing is stopping most user's, it just help's weed out the troll's, how would you know how many comment's? Deleted more than 3, I'm not the only that has been having these issue's.

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