Is Julia Gillard's new leadership of Labor and position of Prime Minister legal? Thread

Last night the Labor Party of Australia had severe backlash on former Prime Minister Kevin Rudd after Unions said they stopped backing him. So much that they voted Kevin Rudd out of leadership of their party. That means he is no longer Prime Minister of Australia. In his place, nobody in Labor applied to become the new position except for Julia Gillard. This means she is now Prime Minister by default and also the first female Prime Minister of Australia. However, many people, including the members of the Unions that caused all this saying that she should not be able to have this position unless voted in by the people of Australia, rather than the party doing it for them.

Should Kevin Rudd be brought back into Prime Minister of Australia until the election or should Julia Gillard be allowed to be Prime Minister of Australia? And is this maneuver by Labor legal without the people voting him in first?

hey hand gun

watching it on tv right now while playing stalker, So i think this brings the questoin of.........WHAT IS SHE DOING OUT OF MY KITCHEN?

If you have a party base system like the UK does, it's legal. You're voting for a party, not a specific leader. If you don't like what the party is doing with it's leader, vote them out in the next election.

I'm just pissed off that Kevin Rudd got stabbed in the back by his own team. That's just horrible. Kevin Rudd was very charismatic, he got us by the Recession, he signed Kyoto, he won our hearts and minds following the big Sorry speech for the Aboriginals and he was the first PM in a good while to give so much of Australia a voice. He was the people's Prime Minister. He did not deserve all this and he's probably absolutely devastated that all this happened. I didn't see this coming, he didn't see this coming. Nobody did.

The fact that Labor is willing to backstab their members doesn't get them my vote. If they backstab their own members, what are they going to do to the people of Australia?

I'm not saying Julia Gillard is a bad woman, she's probably a good person, but she should not be the Prime Minister. That's my opinion anyway.

Similar thing to When Gordon Brown was in, unfortunately you dont vote for a candidate, you vote for a party. so in short, it is legal!

"I'm just pissed off that Kevin Rudd got stabbed in the back by his own team. That's just horrible. Kevin Rudd was very charismatic, he got us by the Recession, he signed Kyoto, he won our hearts and minds following the big Sorry speech for the Aboriginals and he was the first PM in a good while to give so much of Australia a voice. He was the people's Prime Minister. He did not deserve all this and he's probably absolutely devastated that all this happened. I didn't see this coming, he didn't see this coming. Nobody did. " Wrong on most accounts.

Rudd was a pretty bad prime minister. He tried to micromanage everything (bad idea, see white house administration of Vietnam for details), piss poor management of unions, made us look bad on the international scene (but you won't hear that on channel 9 news), and his sorry speech while granted admirable and possibly required did little to stop the fueling guilt among Australia, or diminish the mentality
of "victimhood" among indigenous Australians. It also cost the government a lot of money. Did I also mention he devastated the treasury reserve that was built up by the Howard government to look after the retired population. Not only that but he's sold us out to the Green's irrational tyranny and to the economic ransom of China, you think he got us out of the credit crisis? Not really we have china to thank for that, buying all our resources, again an operation Rudd impeded with his taxes.
And "lets give $100 dollars to everyone!" WHO ON EARTH DREAMED THAT UP? Even the most stupid economics student can tell you that there is no long term benefit of such a thing. It might as well be "lets through a few billion dollars into the ocean!". You wanna get people to spend more? You lower taxes, don't give out insignificant hand outs.

Suffice to say his micromanagement of everything probably got the loss of confidence from his party. But I hardly think Ms Gillard is a significant improvement.

Rudd made his share of fuck-ups. The difference is that people seemed to care more about his fuck-ups than they did about Howards. He wasn't going to win the next election, period, so something had to change.
People seem to forget that the run the Howard government had was mostly thanks go the good work that the Hawke/Keating government did in securing alot of economic deals with Asia through Labors last period in office. Alot of what Howard did during his reign was on the back of that.
I think alot of waht blew up in Rudd's face was the ETS stuff (which is funny, Howard said 'we will never introduce a GST' and did. Rudd says 'we will get an ETS in place' and never did, yet Rudd received alot more backlash).

Nonetheless, I believe that Gillard could be a good choice. I'm not voting Liberal purely because of their stance on the NBN, and Gillard seems to be aligned with those who think the internet filter is a bad idea (or at least shouldn't be mandatory) and may be open to reversing or changing the mining tax. But lets just hope the damage that Rudd did with those few choices won't be enough to get the Liberals back into power, or else we'll be set back another 20 years technologically.

Also Rafenrazer, I'm not too sure if you noticed but Australia seems to be the Western country that has come out of the GFC well. Our unemployment is low, our interest rates good (we were putting them up when other countries were cutting them to try to get people spending), and while there were alot of people getting hours cut, jobs were kept (and even some being created). To suggest that things were handled badly during the GFC, well the state of our economy doesn't support that view.

Australia was one of the few Western countries that came out of the GFC relatively unscratched. We only had minor falls in our economy and in some sectors employment and economy thrived. That's one thing we can attribute to Labor under Rudd's leadership.

Someone wrote: Nonetheless, I believe that Gillard could be a good choice. I'm not voting Liberal purely because of their stance on the NBN

I do understand Rudds reasons for the Mining tax, but it wasn't specific enough so as a result he ended up pissing off the most powerful industry in Australia.

that and Abbot would probably make us look worse than what Rudd did lol.

Julia is probably the lesser of the evils here granted- but to be honest I can't say I'm a fan really, more has to do with local reasons that national ones. She's probably the best candidate for the job at the moment- what I'm more scared of is if the same thing happens to her too.. then Swan would be PM.. GOD FUCKING HELP US if that ever happens lol.

First thing Julia should do as PM is fire Conroy!

Edited by: formerlyknownasMrCP

Julia... or Abbot... Not a hard decision for me! It was fun watching him trying to mount some sort of attack on her on the first day, and failing miserably. I reckon she's a shoe-in for the next election. I can't imagine many women voting for Abbot given his views on them and issues relating to them, plus since Julia is the first female PM, that'd no doubt garner many women's votes regardless. That's at least 50% of the votes right there.

I think the mining tax was probably the thing that did it for Rudd, that fact that they then had tax payer funded ads on the T.V. about it didn't help either. I can't believe he was stupid enough to do that. I didn't mind him overall though. The mining industry can afford to be taxed more than it is, it won't kill them. I think 40% was a bit much though.

Somebody should gift Abbott a pair of prosthetic feet because he has shot himself in the foot so many friggin times.

frosty-theaussie wrote: Somebody should gift Abbott a pair of prosthetic feet because he has shot himself in the foot so many friggin times.

Why he'd just eat them anyway.. Bada-bom tisch!

Mr_Cyberpunk wrote:

frosty-theaussie wrote: Somebody should gift Abbott a pair of prosthetic feet because he has shot himself in the foot so many friggin times.

Why he'd just eat them anyway.. Bada-bom tisch!

somebody stop him eating before he gets to the budgie smugglers. eep

What is really legal; the fact that the Coalition won 73 seats and Labor 72, and Labor forms government.

Argent-Chriso wrote: What is really legal; the fact that the Coalition won 73 seats and Labor 72, and Labor forms government.

Perfectly legal for they secured the support of enough independants and other parties to form a government.

Argent-Chriso wrote: What is really legal; the fact that the Coalition won 73 seats and Labor 72, and Labor forms government.

looks like Labor need to learn a bit more about making friends!