Gödel's ontological proof Thread

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Just stumbled across this, it kinda fits with something I've been telling people for a while (if infinity exists, then by the definition of infinity god exists, because we can imagine the concept of god, anything excluding something we can imagine is not infinity).

What do you reckon?

I've never found anyone who's been able to conclusively prove to me that infinity exists. Plus it's a kind of a weak argument.

I think it's too complicated, I don't understand what the heck all that stuff means.

AdmBlack wrote: So you're trying to tell me that because the concept of adding the non-negative number X to number Y repeatedly exists then some magical sky being must also exist?

If you mean 'god/God' when you say "some magical sky being" then all I can say is: who said god is a magical sky being?

Edited by: SIGILL

are you slightly dense or something? he wrote "magical sky being", and it's perfectly clear what he meant.

Lol yeah I know, I edited my post, but still, no-one gave the definition of 'god' here

Someone wrote: who said god is a magical sky being?

magical sky being would be a sarcastic way of describing a theistic God that appears in monotheistic religions. It refers to the time when people believed that God literally lives in the sky. As for "magical", it surely refers to his omnipotent, divine powers and miracles that he supposedly made.

... makes me think of sacred geometry. But at any rate, the idea of infinity proving the existance of a "god" makes sence to me, if you define god as "Everything" instead of religious view of "Seperate".

I tend to be kinda "generous" to religion in that I see it as a bit like a philosophical study that is largely taught as if all the students are under 10. I guess part of the idea behind this thread was to try and have a discussion founded purely on logic (in which any pre conceptions are put to one side).
Perhaps in this sense it seems to me the discussion is theological rather than religious.

I find this "god property" kinda sexy, it's non presumptuous with the potential for some decent arguments.

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Too complicated for me, I'll check this out in another 15 years

GOD = CREATOR
EVERYTHING ELSE = CREATION

So you'd say "creator" is part of the "god property"?
Why do you exclude "creation" from this property?

I dont understand the weird "Proof"section in the wiki,
But...
My opinion would be that....
Not everything is infinite, an example of a major one: Life

I think that we are all our own god

iiNsane wrote: I dont understand the weird "Proof"section in the wiki,
But...
My opinion would be that....
Not everything is infinite, an example of a major one: Life

I think that we are all our own god

Right, so taking
"The proof can summarized as: IF it is possible for a rational omniscient being to exist THEN necessarily a rational omniscient being exists"
You say "Life is not infinite".
But, life is only "not infinite" in this world.
But the point of "infinity" is all things exist within infinity (e.g. There is some universe, within the multiverse - all possible universes - where life is infinite).

So this summary can be rounded off with "All things exist within infinity, therefore it is impossible for something not to exist within infinity, IF it is possible for a rational omniscient being to exist THEN necessarily a rational omniscient being exists".

Also interesting to think, this also implies within some universe, all the Greek and Egyption gods also exist.

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Great way to start a troll thread

DrThompson wrote: Great way to start a troll thread

In which particular universe is modal logic trolling?
Or do you just not like the answer but don't have the skills to question it?

Edited by: mSparks