Rise of the Reds – or ROTR for short – improves upon the C&C Generals formula while also adding its own distinct elements to it. Most notably, the mod adds two completely new factions, the tank-heavy Russian Federation and the defence-oriented European Continental Alliance. In addition, the three original factions China, USA and GLA have been greatly expanded and redesigned in a variety of ways, with several new units, buildings, powers and abilities to explore and combine in your in-game tactics.

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Nuttah
Nuttah

Same gen power as before with a different model, right?

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MARS2588 Creator
MARS2588

Right, this is a visual update for the GP-plane which was quite in need of a facelift after all this time.

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Nuttah
Nuttah

Does it at least get a few acoustic changes? Assuming they aren't there already and I merely failed to notice them, anyway.
The gun in particular makes me weep.

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AlphaZulu
AlphaZulu

Now this I like.

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Emin96
Emin96

now can build on airfield?

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Kalga
Kalga

Nope, still only a GP plane for balance reasons, though the US does already have quite a few nice buildable warplanes already...

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TheCeLL87
TheCeLL87

haha screw you F-35 this one is better

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Nuttah
Nuttah

At least for its designed purpose. CAS halfway towards the sound barrier does not sound like my idea of a good time for anyone but the target.

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Ahrimansiah
Ahrimansiah

aww man wish it was buildable T_T

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crizyz
crizyz

I tried to mod it like that once, but that was really hard. And even having it being a proper unit was already hard. Never got it to be able to be a buildable/landable plane I think.

But the Frogfoot kinda took my desire to have thise one away. ^^

Too bad (IMHO) that one will go. Hope it will remain in the files so I can still drop it on a map on a capturable airfield or something.

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Woozle
Woozle

I managed to succeed in doing that, it was super over-powered and all my strategies revolved around the air force. I replaced the nighthawk with it I think.

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

One of the reasons of why this plane should not be a general power and instead a unit, is the fact that it really isn't a bomber plane! It is not particularly fast, has next no anti-radar capabilities and on top of which it's awesome mini-gun is used in the game as a mere decoration more than anything else!
This is used as a support aircraft in real life. ripping apart armor with the its Gatling Cannon rather than bombarding (although it does that too!
Now you could make the argument that this would be overpowered due to the fact that If it were to be used as a unit, a support air unit at that, it would be necessary for it resupply in the air, rather landing in the airfield that would be to small for it anyway!
Now these are all very valid arguments! But you could make your airfield upgradeable so instead of 4 hangar it will have 2 big ones! Also in order to have a balanced game these baddies would be limited to just two airplanes, and they would have a mechanism that makes it possible for them to roam around use their miniguns to do as much damage as you want but having to return at the airfield as soon as they use their bombs which would be used at command only!
No come on! Make it happen! I know that you can do it you talented bastards!

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Nuttah
Nuttah

If you made a balanced airfield that fit this thing, you most likely wouldn't be able to build anything else. Not to mention it's just too ******* hard to balance the ******* monster itself. The Su-25 works like this one does and being so damn powerful was one of the reasons it got the axe.
Sure, the numbers on the gun might be deserving of a change and the way the Maverick is treated as a rocket is at least as ghastly but toying with that would most likely be a problematic endeavour in itself likely wouldn't be met by the joy of anyone but a handful of us poor sods.

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

First of all, I did not say that you'd have a build limit of one airfield (If that is what you are saying)! Like I said the normal USA airfield would be upgradeable! But you'd be able to do this with only one of your airfields, thus limiting it to only two planes! As for the plane itself! Somebody already did this and it was long time ago in a another mod! But the problem was that it behaved the same as the general power only it was controllable! Meaning it fired all it's load and returned to the base! Nothing special really! What I am suggesting is to be able to use it as hybrid support bomber unit! And being overpowered really isn't an issue because it has a built limit of two! And of course it would have far less armor than the general power plane, but still more then most of the other air units!
And If you are asking If this really were to become a playable uni,t than what would we put in the general power instead of it? Well I have the perfect solution! In the earlier versions of Shockwave, the Laser General had a replacement for these! They were planes that used laser guided bombs, proper bombers, and did quite a lot of damage at that! So there aren't many reasons why this should not be a playable unit! In my opinion at least! Which believe is not going to change easily!

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Nuttah
Nuttah

My point was mostly that an airfield fitted to house these things with their current scale would have to be really big. And even if we did do it your way with the upgrade, it sounds like something the Su-25 seemed to be up to now; An obligatory thing you just ******* HAVE to get and SWR is trying to avoid that as much as possible. And I can't blame them since a veritable superweapon of an aircraft would make gameplay at least a magnitude more boring if you see a US player and go "Oh, a Yank, gotta go get my boatload of anti air and all interceptors ever."
What I'd really prefer to see is more power to the gun in the current iteration and maybe a swap from Mavericks to rocket pods. Yes, I know, it doesn't really seem all that "high tech," but that's also why I generally try not to bitch too much about it. Except for the gun sound. I ******* the despise the gun sound.

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Nuttah
Nuttah

Though, I guess tossing heavy, expensive missiles at stuff like they were rockets does give USA this certain air of overpriced, overkilling assholerry.
And I thought only the Paladin's voiceover was a hilarious parody.

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Neo3602
Neo3602

"Though, I guess tossing heavy, expensive missiles at stuff like they were rockets does give USA this certain air of overpriced, overkilling assholerry."

That comment just made my day

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

I know where you're coming from, believe me! I felt the same way about the aurora bomber! Hated that f***ing thing! Good riddance! But If this were to be a unit, It wouldn't be as powerful as you might think! This would not be the kind of aircraft that can be launched directly at the base defenses. It really shouldn't be playing that role, for that we have the awesome stealth fighter! Like I said a support air unit not a bomber plane! Though as far as the airfield size goes, In the mode that I encountered, this plane used the normal airfield, it was too big by just a little! Thing you can solve with the dual hangar airfield easily! It really isn't as big as it looks! I for once think that it would add some more variety to the USA unit, a little crazy to the surprisingly conserved USA faction! I mean think about this for a moment! China has the Overlord, Russia has the Sentinel, ECA has The Arnold Schwarzenegger Tank, the GLA has...well everything is crazy about them, the USA really needs something CRAZY! In this game I mean...not in real life...they have way too much of that!
Love your comment below by the way XD

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ArsenalSPT
ArsenalSPT

The guy that did Generals: Reborn had the A-10 for the Air Force General. You could only build four at a time and they launched all their missiles and bombs at once but retained a large amount of gun ammunition, so they made multiple passes until the magazine was dry.

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Nuttah
Nuttah

USA's brand of crazy is the superpowered, expensive tech rather than Chinese expendable walls of steel and flesh, Russian iron fist, ECA desperate superweapons and GLA's ingenuity resulting from being batshit insane.
To be honest, I think the plane actually fits well where it is at the moment. Not many were built and they're kind of old, most likely, any extra that would be rolled off the assembly line, if it's even still possible, would be to replace the ageing airframes of the existing ones and from what I understand, even those are only holding on because the grunts love them and their misaimed replacement is taking its sweet expensive time. Putting them right on the frontline would be all kinds of stupid when you think about it. Priority targets and stuff.

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

I still think this needs to be on the battlefield! Because there is a reason the grunts love these things! They are amazing planes! While we are in the subject of real life events, I heard stories of these getting hit several times with singer missiles believe it or not, losing part of the wing, and surviving without the pilot even knowing the extensive damage that has befallen the plane! Not to mention it's roaring Gatling Cannon that sound like a orchestra of thunderstorms, of which there still isn't anything like it in the USA military!
Adding the to fact that this can land in anywhere and really does not require an actual landing strip, meaning it will be the first plane to the a battlefield and does not need a surgery team of engineers to follow it at all time, like the many other planes in the US arsenal need!
This my friend is the AK-47 of the air! Whatever can be this reliable will be cherished by any soldier, like it is right now in the real world! So put in the f***ing game!
WE WANTS IT PRECIOUS!

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^Namaekeks
^Namaekeks

Infact the generals Engine cant decide upon large/small airfields... basicly u could let an B-35/B-2 land in the vanilla Airfield.. so u simply produce 1 A-10 at an large airfield and just land him at an smaller one.....
But the engine DOES support unit limits.

I personally would prefer to set the SOKOL as GP and the A-10 as Unlockable unit - but that will most likely not happen since russia got already the Cruise missile strike

for A-10 thing which most "modders" aint changing the "THROW ALL MY **** AT AN REBEL" attitude, it IS also possible to change the Cooldown of the missile attacks

At all is this double Airfield-idea useless, since the plane could simply be scaled down a bit, instead of adding new Textures or such.

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

Well the Contra guys made it work! I don't know how but they did it! They made this dual hangar version of the normal airfield for some ridiculously scaled down versions of the GP bomber planes!
And as far as I can remember it worked! The big planes could not land on the norma...well they weren't normal airfields...If you ever played Contra you'll know that nothing on there is normal. Which surprisingly enough does not work at all for me! It was just too crazy, the normal units were weakened so some other abominations could take their place! It was just dumb in my opinion! But getting of track here, I seriously think the A10 would be one of the better reasons to pick the airforce General on the Rise of The Reds! It is a plane that would have abilities that other planes on there would not have and it is just a wonderful death machine! Also scaling it down...you could do that! But honestly these planes would be very over-powered units as 4, because even a 4 unit limit would be over-powered! I mean think about it! If you were to put these on the normal airfield then the two unit limit would not be appealing design wise, and believe me I know how weak of an argument that is! But it just wouldn't look good! You could also make them weaker, but that just makes them useless altogether! Their point is being a little overpowered in the means of attack! These are not very fast planes and not very maneuverable either! They do have more armor than the other planes, which should be weaker for the GP version If these were to be used! But not the offensive capabilities, you do not touch those! Besides having them recharge their ammo of course!

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^Namaekeks
^Namaekeks

Well IF the A-10 would be implemented, then not for the Airforce General...
It would simply neither fit with the Storyline (the point where the Airforce is the only branch which aint gettin' too hard cutted into the financials) and 2nd with the realism fact.. the A-10 is (as much i know)in the US Armed Forces only used by the Army

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theawesometrex
theawesometrex

That makes very much sense actually! To be honest I did not think about that at all! And also I don't know much about how the US divides their divisions. All I know is that they are divided into these: The US Army, Navy, and AirForce! I don't know If you can count the secret services with these, but like I said I do not know much about it. Seems interesting though!

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^Namaekeks
^Namaekeks

Off topic: Nah, the Secret Service isn't counting cause the US military is called the US Armed Forces, divided into the United States Army, United States Navy, United States Air Force and the United States Marine Corps (USMC)

On Topic: But as i said the A-10 will most likely never become an buildable ROTR plane, because the US needs an GP for precise bombing (like cruise missile, just infact the A-10 is way more badass)

WHAT Brings me to another idea...
The A-10 could be replaced(for the sake of its buildability) By some drones nr. increasing on GP-level,
these drones could simply Guard an certain area (like the Vanilla Scout drone ability) just infact they attack.

I actually dont believe this will even be considered.. :D
But it could be an option for the General Thorn...

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Keksz
Keksz

Aww too bad. I had hopes you guys would give it a diffrent color scheme when you re-do it. Still decent upgrade.

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ArsenalSPT
ArsenalSPT

They had a grey color scheme for Shockwave, though that was only for General Granger.

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The_Hunter649 Author
The_Hunter649

I had specificly instructed IPS to keep the green color scheme because i always like the way that looked ever since i first saw them in the original game.

(also because i threatend to murder him horribly if he did anything else :P )

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IPS Creator
IPS

Yep, trust me, I fought for a different camo color, but what you gonna do against death threats?
However in the end I kinda liked it myself, guess it's some weird case of stockholm syndrom.. XD

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Keksz
Keksz

lmao.

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NeverLose
NeverLose

Another face...

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Cherno.Alpha
Cherno.Alpha

Shouldn't the A-10 be white? like the RL counterpart and the one Granger has in sw.

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Totenkofp
Totenkofp

i wish i could build them on my air field......

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roster312
roster312

Must have this as a unit on my airfield instead of just a generals power - THEY WOULD KICK *** on the battlefield :D

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Originally introduced in 1977, the A-10 Thunderbolt II, more commonly known as the Warthog, is among the oldest aircraft in service of the United States Air Force. After the turn of the millennium, the plane was originally meant to be phased out in favour of the more versatile F-35. However, perpetual design disputes, technical issues and overflowing costs resulted in a severe scaling down of the Joint Strike Fighter project in the late 2010s. While the F-35 only achieved a margin of success as an export plane for America's more prominent allies such as Canada, Turkey, Israel and Japan, the A-10 fleet was brought back from the boneyard and refurbished for service during the Global War on Terror. Now, two decades later, the 'Hog' will once again distinguish itself in the battle against Russian armour divisions in Europe.

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