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The Sven Co-op Development Team is incredibly proud to announce that we are now focusing all of our effort on our next big project. We've been granted access by Valve to work on our own custom version of the Half-Life engine!

Posted by JPolito on Jul 16th, 2013

Ladies and gentlemen, boys and girls, friends, comrades, alpaca ranchers, mole people, time travelers, and other creatures with opposable thumbs:


After nearly fifteen years in development as a mod for Half-Life, and with our final mod release out of the way, the Sven Co-op Development Team is incredibly proud to announce that we are now focusing all of our effort on our next big project. We've been granted access by Valve to work on our own custom version of the Half-Life engine!

The majority of readers are probably asking themselves, “As an alpaca rancher, why is this showing up in my search results?”, a question for which there is no easy answer.

The rest of you are probably asking, “What exactly does this announcement mean?”

  • The next version of Sven Co-op will run as a standalone game using a custom build of the Half-Life engine.
  • The game will be FREE for all Steam users, including the official Half-Life campaign (for 2+ player co-op play). A Half-Life purchase will not be required.
  • Automatic updates will be available using Steam's content delivery system dubbed SteamPipe. This will allow us to perform more frequent and rapid updates as needed.
  • Updates and new features will be added to the Half-Life engine, as well as a series of improvements to Half-Life's level editor called Hammer.
  • Increased Half-Life engine limits to allow for much larger and more detailed worlds.
  • Stability, performance, and gameplay improvements for everyone.

We are grateful beyond expression to Valve for their generosity and efforts put forth to make this possible. We’re looking forward to working with one of the greatest game engines ever made, and we can assure everyone that there are many, many more updates to come.

More news and progress updates will be posted in the near future, so keep a lookout.

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The.Host
The.Host Jul 16 2013, 8:32pm buried:

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I like it a lot. This is good news, however, I'm not a fan of free Half-Life campaign.

Anyway, good luck! Waiting for more news!

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XenonFORT
XenonFORT Jul 16 2013, 8:44pm replied:

Well if I want to experience almost all campaing of HL1 as today, I would choose Black Mesa as right now is playable totally free of charge.

This said I suppose the HL1 content will require having hl1 files, as garry's mod need the other games content to use things made with them.

And, in my personal experience, I always ended playing more custom maps in Sven Coop than the main HL1 campaing (toonrun anyone? :P) so even if it doesn't have the main campaing it will not suffer a great impact (even if it was the goal for what the mod was first created)

Let's wait for official responses so they clarify all this ^^.

Edit: Saw what they said about the campaing just now, don't know how I passed it (I suppose I'm so joyful if the engine is usable for free that I skipped the rest ^^u)

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Guest
Guest Jul 16 2013, 9:06pm replied:

Any reason in particular why? An explanation is always nice if you want to validate your opinion.

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The.Host
The.Host Jul 16 2013, 9:36pm buried:

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The devs say they are working on a custom version of GoldSrc engine (HL1). That's absolutely awesome, because they are actually improving a +10 year old engine. Better gameplay, better graphics. Everything will be better.

Sven-Coop is famous for it's coop experience, offering support to play HL1 and it's addons with friends, alongside all the community made campaigns and maps.
Thing is, they say that the HL1 campaign will be in the game itself and you don't need to own it, making HL1 a totally FREE game, as the Sven-Coop game will be free.
You could just download Sven-Coop and play HL1 alone for free, and I think that is wrong.

One thing is playing Black Mesa HL2 mod, which is a complete re-imagination of HL1, built from the ground up in the Source Engine.
Other thing is picking up an entire, give it a few tweaks so it could be functional in cooperative gameplay.
I could accept this "free" HL1 if they actually change it. Create maps from the ground up, whatever. Make them more modern and pretty, making good use of their custom engine.

These are my motives. This is my opinion.

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JPolito
JPolito Jul 16 2013, 9:44pm replied:

The Half-Life 1 campaign will be co-op only. A single player will not be able to play through it without multiple players.

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The.Host
The.Host Jul 16 2013, 9:52pm replied:

Right, that thing with two players pressing two buttons at the same. Anyway, I would most pleased with this free HL1 game if the dev team added puzzles that actually require both players to work in sync and together, plus the things I mentioned above: the rebuilt maps and others.

This Sven-Coop game has a lot of potential, and I wouldn't mind in any way to pay for this. All I want is it to reach it's full potential.

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JPolito
JPolito Jul 16 2013, 9:59pm replied:

Nice assumption, but that's not how we're going to force cooperative gameplay. More details will be posted later, once we make a reasonable amount of progress.

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The.Host
The.Host Jul 16 2013, 10:02pm replied:

I'll be waiting. Good luck with the development ;)

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SPTX
SPTX Jul 17 2013, 12:21pm replied:

"You could just download Sven-Coop and play HL1 alone for free, and I think that is wrong."

That's not YOUR problem though, it's valves, and they are perfectly aware of that and they allow it to top it.
Don't be so self righteous for things that don't even concern you.

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The.Host
The.Host Jul 18 2013, 3:55am replied:

I already said I was wrong. You need two players at least to be able to start a coop HL1 playthrough.
And you're absolutely right, it's none of my business how Valve deals with their own games. It's theirs.
If they want everyone to play their game for FREE, then the community should be happy, including me, because it is an absolute masterpiece.
They could even make like Bethesda did with the old TES games. Make the HL1 and the addons free. That would attract some more people to the series and it would be a joy for everyone that just could not play it for some reason.

I'm sorry to have been against this free HL1 thing. Everyone deserves to play this masterpiece.

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ExecutorTassadar
ExecutorTassadar Jul 18 2013, 10:41am replied:

To add to what the others have already told you:
"This Sven-Coop game has a lot of potential" <- are you serious? Sven-Coop is one of the oldest mods every made for HL1! After they have put so much work into this and all the content that is included with it I couldn't imagine anyone more fit to do this free HL1 coop re-release with Valve's blessing.

I recognize you apologized, but I still wanted to add this.

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RancidRandy
RancidRandy Jul 28 2013, 12:23am replied:

Valve did a very generous thing at the time when they buried WON and released Steam. If you happened to own Half-Life before the switch, you were automatically granted every expansion pack (Opposing Force, Blue Shift, commercial versions of Counter-Strike & Day Of Defeat).

So it's safe to assume, they kind of gave up profiting from GoldSrc-based games probably because of the future with Steam and Source-based games.

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FritzOfTheSS
FritzOfTheSS Jul 19 2013, 1:19pm buried:

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But HL1 is old.

Everyone has played it. There's no need to keep selling what we've already played. Might as well make it free, co-opable and improve the engine.

I guess you didn't like Half-Life: Source?

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StegoBROrus
StegoBROrus Aug 11 2013, 2:11am buried:

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Why was this buried?

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Seaal
Seaal Jul 16 2013, 8:33pm says:

This is pretty interesting! Cannot wait for this!

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XenonFORT
XenonFORT Jul 16 2013, 8:36pm says:

To be honest, this really shocks me, as, if I'm not wrong, could make history somehow, and I will explain myself, but this can't be explained without a question:

Will be this new upgraded engine free for all steam users? (as Source SDK is right now, for example)

As this could make what TF2 did to source, making the engine free so all the mods for hl1 that still being in development (as ESF, for example) will be free for everyone.

Second, will this new/updated engine be retro-compatible with older mods?, or will it break them?

If not (break), then something I have been praying for is finally getting on our hands.

I would extand myself, but right now I don't find anything more in my head to say (2:32 AM here :D)

Anyway, and last but not least, congratz for what you got, I can't wait to finally see "real" upgrades to the great engine know as GldSrc.

Good luck with the mod and the "updating" task and, if at least something of what I asked has a positive answer...

You will make history :).

Nuff said :P, and again good luck ^^.

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m0u$3[uz]
m0u$3[uz] Jul 16 2013, 9:30pm says:

so it will have all the half-life 1 series together when it becomes a game?

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SabreXT
SabreXT Jul 16 2013, 9:34pm says:

Not what I was expecting.

I do wonder what improvements you'll make.

My main hope is that the game will allow for proper scaling based on player count, as well as some system to stop "spawn rush die" gameplay.

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Shatackoz
Shatackoz Jul 16 2013, 10:00pm says: Online

I really hope you can change how level transition work. Things that are annoying me is that ammo, health and armor resets every time you load new map, and items always respawn. Well last time i played sven coop was 3.0 version, so i don't know if that has been changed already.

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JPolito
JPolito Jul 16 2013, 11:37pm replied:

We're actually working on this now.

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SabreXT
SabreXT Jul 17 2013, 12:00am replied:

If that's possible, does that mean it would also be possible to have other client side persistence?

Specifically, a client side, official version of that old server mod for SC v3 that allowed you to level up health and armour. The main problem from what I could tell, as well as resetting your level every time you switched server, it was also imbalanced to the point of being broken. Gravity jump and infinite MP5 grenades in particular.

A balanced, properly integrated version could be amazing.

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iAmaNewb
iAmaNewb Jul 16 2013, 10:04pm buried:

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Not what I am expecting for a big news, I thought you're going to continue on Sven Coop 2.

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Megadave2003
Megadave2003 Jul 16 2013, 10:07pm says:

Will we see the next chapter with Chummy?

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parkerchace
parkerchace Jul 16 2013, 11:33pm says:

Haha! I was in on the IRC Chat. Freaking hilarious.

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MattyG
MattyG Jul 17 2013, 12:03am says:

My body is ready.

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TheOneMuffin
TheOneMuffin Jul 17 2013, 1:13am says:

SVEN is actually relatively hard and there are a lot of changes in the placement of the enemies in the game.

Sure you get the campaign itself free, but you don't get the original placements and whatnots.

This can be good or bad depending on your viewpoint of Half-Life.
I am indifferent to this as I love Sven and Half-Life.

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SvenViking
SvenViking Jul 17 2013, 5:18am replied:

As JPolito mentions, the HL co-op campaign will require 2+ players. Note that it's Valve who are letting us include the HL1 maps, though... I'm not sure that there's anything too bad about Valve generously giving everyone something for free. In fact, it seems to me to be a good thing.

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medve
medve Jul 17 2013, 7:25am says:

as a world famous alpaca rancher i am really suspicous about his "FREE for all Steam users"

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Headcrusher
Headcrusher Jul 19 2013, 3:27pm replied:

The catch is that you need use steam.

Duh.
You say that like they're gonna sneak out 10 bucks out of your bank account every time you play the hl1 campaign.

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Blue_Dust
Blue_Dust Jul 17 2013, 8:28am says:

One quick question for the developers of SC. Will this standalone title be far more stable than the current Half-Life (unstable due to the linux update on steam)?

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Seaal
Seaal Jul 20 2013, 11:02pm replied:

I'm pretty sure it will be. It already works with the linux update of HL1. SC supported linux a while ago. ;)

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RancidRandy
RancidRandy Jul 28 2013, 12:32am replied:

I have no doubts on that. A custom-made HL engine and automatic updates via Steam does sound like a deal-sealer. ^^

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sixcentgeorge
sixcentgeorge Jul 17 2013, 12:41pm buried:

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this is a killing news .. its a killing by laughing .
by the way , too many people of the sc community needs it to earn money , by now directly licking from valve"$ brain , hmmmm.

reality shows a dead mod : game monitor
Servers 57
Players 39 / 807 (4.83%)
Average 0.68 / 14.16

game is too buggy and models are too old and bad , sc team is made only of very old forum members , some of them being very big LIARS & THIEFS [like all americans or their friends from australia...countries with NO-NATIVES left ALIVE...never happened with french] <3
by the way sc made a big mistake and valve a bigger one . only some russians have already pushed away hl engine : http://hlfx.ru/forum/index.php?s=
sc did nothing on that , its "own" engine being full of bug mostly with sc3 and after ..

by now past can not be changed , sc team , should ask for hl3 engine instead and valve should publish source of hl like id did .

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Blue_Dust
Blue_Dust Jul 17 2013, 5:59pm replied:

When it comes to the financial stands of a business, every game could be seeking a profit in some ways. If people expect developers to be noble willing to do everything without some kind of benefit, you're sadly mistaking here. Where it be a fanbase, experience or money, it's all benefits that human beings require.

With this thought, why was it that when Cry of Fear got pushed as a standalone title, no one complained? It makes no difference whether a mod becomes a game or not. If the developers remain onto trying to create new content, it satisfies the players and the developers profit from it.

If anything, the low player activity is due to the update of Half-Life itself. The bugs come from the current linux update for Half-Life, causing major rendering, loading, framerate and other problems within the game. Valve has already released the tools needed to mod all their game, that's enough. People also tend to make games based off of the Source engine, nothing new here.

If anything, instead of looking onto developers as people who don't have financial requirements themselves, think of the problem when it comes to money. The Sven co-op website for instance. In order to keep that up you need to pay for the host itself. Advertisement money tends to be very low and not that profitable so the developers try and rely on a donators system to help out with the bills.

If anything, I feel like this focus was more onto to try and get everyone onto a F2P experience with Sven just like with TF2. The game itself will most likely be available to everyone but there will be premium features for the players themselves. This will also bring more people onto steam, people that just don't have the money to afford any games.

All in all, I find these news more positive than negative. And I'm glad that Sven co-op didn't end up being another old mod going on without any updates. If Counter-Strike can still keep going even to this day, than why can't Sven co-op either?

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iAmaNewb
iAmaNewb Jul 17 2013, 6:19pm buried:

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Why don't you go **** yourself you *******.

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DrRhubarb
DrRhubarb Jul 18 2013, 7:15am replied:

Harsh words from candy/rainbow/whateverthefuckpony land.

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Anna.
Anna. Jul 19 2013, 2:11am replied:

Indeed.

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Seaal
Seaal Jul 20 2013, 10:56pm replied:

You don't play Sven Co-op because of the textures or models. You play it to have fun, and enjoy playing it with your friends and other strangers through servers. BTW, not every level is low textured, have you seen the new weapon models since 4.0? They are heavily high textured, I wouldn't be surprised if they were in a new game. Also, most levels for SC show high textured models, walls, and monsters. SC has really improved the goldsource engine. They even created support for .mp3 sounds! And I cannot believe how smart they were to do this. If you still hate the game, then okay, but you don't need to comment about it...

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NoobSaibot
NoobSaibot Jul 17 2013, 4:53pm says:

I would have been willing to pay for the new version of Sven Coop. This is good news though.

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INtense!
INtense! Jul 17 2013, 9:34pm says:

congrats guys, couldn't come to a more deserving team. you guys are older than moddb!

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Dan911
Dan911 Jul 18 2013, 12:52am says:

Amazing news! Any clue on whats in store for the first release? Although improved graphics would be nice, I hope you continue to focus on expanding gameplay at first. I play sven coop for the fun coop action, not for pretty visuals.

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JPolito
JPolito Jul 18 2013, 1:27pm replied:

We'll be focusing on updating the gameplay for the initial Steam release.

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DrRhubarb
DrRhubarb Jul 18 2013, 7:14am says:

Wow, this is amazing, really. Hopefully this will have new push in both servers and players again. There are still some great ones around which have their good amount of players, but more vareity would be awesome, seeing how most you see already know every map by heart :D

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Rayman47
Rayman47 Jul 18 2013, 7:45am says:

Really nice Work!

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IronWoodside
IronWoodside Jul 18 2013, 8:54am says:

Workshop anyone? custom maps through workshop?

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banan2288
banan2288 Jul 18 2013, 7:28pm replied:

That could be great, but i don't think Valve will approve this. Still Sven Coop maps database is sill functional though.

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Seaal
Seaal Jul 20 2013, 10:59pm replied:

This is a good idea. But you know Valve, they probably won't do it.

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Dr.Goupyl
Dr.Goupyl Jul 18 2013, 10:48am says:

Good news ! Now back to my alpacas.

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sixcentgeorge
sixcentgeorge Jul 18 2013, 11:05am buried:

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nice i am the only buried comments...
by the way despite all that can be said in here ....
let s hope moddb will make a benchmark of my mod : http://www.moddb.com/mods/assault-strike and this old "hijacked" by snipper mod having toons of broken files and unused models

just a question does sc4.8 has some mapcycle having 220 maps in a row without crashing...?
valve did the mistake to believe we are friends sc team and me... some of sc forum are my friends , by most of the few having medals [mostly americans ] are no friendly at all ...
valve should check old forum backup of it steam . i made a topic about they hunger i made coop that was stolen and me banned....
sven viking , the hijacked that should not even have a pant left in sc... shouls know that i am ready to discuss BUT SOME HEADS HAVE TO BE : guillotined AND FEW OTHERS BANNED according to what some did and wrote at that time .

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Blue_Dust
Blue_Dust Jul 18 2013, 11:50am replied:

If you want to prove something, at least do it without using anger. Proper official complaints require a respective neutral form. Whatever kind of problems you might have with the developers, that should not prevent them from continuing on their project. If you can't do anything about your problems with the developers, try to move on.

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