New units suggestion and unit changes Thread - WIC: Modern Warfare Mod for World in Conflict

1. i notice that people want NATO to be re-added even tho the the MOD team does not have time or resources to put them in. Well i notice that USA faction has some South Korean vehicles and that got me thinking, change USA to the Coalition and add some vehicles that would be other wise not in the USA faction, maybe add a few European vehicles as well as South Korean to fill in some of the USA flaws.
2. the AAV7 should be replaced with the LAV-25 and the BTR-80 should be upgraded to the BTR-80A.
3. the UAZ should be replaced by the GAZ Tigr or the GAZ Vodnik.
4. the 2S7 should be replaced by the 2S19 Msta-S.
5. 2S1 should be replaced by the 2S9 nona-S, 2S23 nona-SVK or the 2S31 Vena and the M106 should be replaced by the M1129. question, why does the 2S1 fire at a very high arc i know its for balance but that's not how the 2S1 works the 2S1 is a SPG not a motor carriage. but the 2S24 and the 2S4 is a motor carriage. oh and why does it cost more then the BM-21?
6. the SA-13 should be removed and the ZSU-23-4 should be upgraded to the ZSU-23-4M4.
7. the 2S6 Tunguska should be added as a medium SPAA for armor and support. and the KM SAM should be in a group with two KM SAM and a KM radar vehicle and available for support.
8. the stryker MGS should be a light tank and the K1 A1, AMX-30 or the Challenger as a medium tank.
9. add the TOS-1 for RU armor and support to counter the USA K-9 thunder SPA?
10. why is the scout helicopter not available for all classes and the repair tank should be available for the Armor and support classes and the tank crew should be removed since the T90 can only operate 3 crew members and Abrams 4 crew members. the VT-55 should be replace by the BREM-80 or BREM-72.
11. you know how the 30mm cannon fires green tracers so i was thinking, the tanks fire a projectile that look like a missile so why not in stead of firing small missile like projectiles, tanks fire red tracers?
12. and one other thing the T90 should be able to fire AP rounds as main like the Abrams for balance because the Abrams can easily take out a group of T90's, the only way the T90's can compete is by micro management and have total view of the enemy tanks, a ambush by Abrams would mean instant death and how is that fair.
13. Khrizantema anti-tank carrier?
14. replace the Tochka SS-21 Scarab with the Idksnder SS-26 stone?
15. Stormer HVM or M6 linebacker?
16. BMD-3 as a TA drop instead of the BMP-2?
17. replace the M270 ATACMS with the M142 HIMARS with ATACMS?
18. KA-52 Hokum-B?
19. replace the MI-8 with the KA-60 (7 in service 100 ordered) or MI-17. transport helicopters only have machine guns and auto hover and transport gunships available for infantry.
20. OH-58 Kiowa combat observer with the ability to guide laser guided missiles to target so Apache can focus on other targets and a similar helicopter for the Russians ( like the KA-52;) ).

sorry if this is to much but i just want to consider new units or unit replacements for the future. so i hope you consider some of my ideas, you don't half to tho, once again just some suggestions.

Edited by: AllenZakiv_Blackwell

I think that MW Mod team has no money enought for new models....

Edited by: chema1994

We're already hands-full with existing systems and making existing units more realistic. There will be no new units for a while.

just some suggestions for the future and im willing to bet that its not really cheep buying models, once again just some suggestions. oh and one other thing when i fire a TBM for some reason the TBM launch vehicle turns right after i fire a TBM and i gave no orders to turn but i just magically turns right after launch. my guess its glitch or something?

(Added suggestions)
21. why don't you guys up grade the BTR-80 to the BTR-80A. the BTR-80A is still used by the Russian military and it would be a equal match to the Stryker.
22. are you guys planing on removing the AAV7 and replacing it with the LAV-25?
23. adding the BMD-3 as a airdrop TA ACV. the BMD-3 can carry troops so it could replace the BMP-2 for TA airdrop IFV only.
24. AT vehicles for armor like the Khrizantema and the stryker AT.
25. whats the point of having attack transport gunships like the hind if infantry class cant even use them. and i know how useful the flying mechanics can be when avoiding SAM and AA fire but it make trying to control the helicopters alot harder cant you guys add a option to set all helicopters to auto hover at any elevation to make it easier to attack ground units. like a button command or some thing.
26. are you guys planning on adding the 2S19? oh and i just wanted to say that the 2S7 firepower needs to be cranked up a little or at lease the blast damage ether that or increase the accuracy because this thing is less accurate then the rocket artillery and the 2S7 has a habit of completely going off target (i killed a few allied units because of rounds going completely off target).
27. consider adding the KA-50 or KA-52. now i know there not that big in numbers but whose to say they won't double in numbers during war time. and one other thing the M1A2 SEP with auto loader is only a prototype and is not standard equipment for the M1A2.
28. i have a few songs suggestions, Into The Fire by Sabaton, Angels Calling by Sabaton, Getting Away With Murder by Papa Roach and City by Hollywood Undead.
29. maybe you guys can consider adding the A-222 Bereg as a Russian artillery (LOL)
30. I repeat what was on number 9.
31. im going to stop now because i feal like im just annoying you guys to death or some thing like that.

Edited by: AllenZakiv_Blackwell

sorry for the delay, I will do my best to answer those

1/2)models, models and again models. the team has no current modeling staff I am afraid.
3)vodnik is not in the army, and there are few new armored jeeps (tigr/volk/iveko ect) (mostly in special forces units in the southern command), hence it is fairly representative to use uaz.
4)this can be done, but in reality most units dont have nona-s, it also gives ru team a distinctive touch (with high power arty)
5)we do not have nona-svk, few venas and generally 2s1 is representative (especially when considering that venas usually are a retrofit of a new gun into the 2s1)
6)shilka is going to be replaced with tunguska, and strela 10 is a widespread sam in our inventory (especially brigade wise)
7)the current idea is to avoid paradropable iads (as it will make life very, very hard and unbalanced), hence it is slaved to the patriot iads
this is noted, but we have an american faction, although i guess it should be under light tanks
9)there is a bm-21 counter already
10)balance, teamplay incentive. and yes, newer repair vehicle can be done (although you did get the names wrong)
11)why? this is unnecessary and imo will look silly
12)it does now, also uses tgm as a spec ab
13)there are few in service, and we lack need/models for it
14)again, it is not yet representative. it will also ruin balance, due to it being rather hard to intercept by patriot
16)this can be done, but gameplay wise it is not a big change. this will however make us get new model/use unit descriptor space. ideal solution will be to use bmp3 (which is a project of sorts)
17)again, there are model limitations. and quite honestly there is no real reason for the change - those systems are quite similar
18)not in large numbers (yet). it will be (hopefully) by 2015
19)mi-8 is again the most representative heli we have. mi-17 is the export variant
20)there is no such capability in the ataka missiles, it can be done with hermes. but hermes (as well as ka52) are not in service proper
21)it is different - there is a trade off with weapons+mobility vs protection
23)bmp3 is sort of paradropable (was tested originally), it might be done later on
24)stryker is in game
25)hinds have a very good unguided roket pod (that is what you use it for in game), you have a "noob heli" with auto altitude
26)this is b/c of balancing. on the small wic maps a smerch battery for example (with realistic fire effects) will easily dominate the enemy spawn. even in WEE smerch was.... totally op.
27)ka50 has no future, ka52 is not in numbers (yet), where was autoloader mentioned on M1A2SEP?
28)there prob. will be issues with rights i guess
29)no, as it is not representative or nessesary within wic environment
31) it is ok . I was a commander like you once (wishing for lots and lots of units), but then i took the smerch in FOB

In general there are few units that can be realistically added (like bmp3), otherwise it is either a cosmetical upgrade (gameplay wise), or is unnecessary (having 3 similar units is confusing and is a waste of effort imo), or the unit is unrepresentative (ie not in service yet or not in service in numbers)

I have to say that most likely the BMP3 will be a cosmetic upgrade over bmp2 in game, due to balancing. 100mm he frag will be nice though to have.

and yes, there is the model issue. if you are willing to buy models and give them to us, it can be done in time.

once again sorry for all the suggestions.
9. the BM-21 does not have that much range. then once again you can have more BM-21 then K-9's so your right.
10. my bad
12. when i use the T90 it only have HEAT and Spec is AP. is that coming out in the next patch or something because i think i do have 2.0.1 or am i wrong i dont know but i do know the T90 does not have ATGM as Special.
19. i did not know the Mi-17 was export
20. true ,i need to think before i type.
23. well i guess it can be airlifted to a location after all the BMP-3 was organically intended to be a light tank. ( i guess you guys are having problem in trying to find a BMP-3 model) BMP-3 is number one favorite IFV.
24. is there other ways to deploy a stryker ATGM other then calling it down with TA because when ever i look at the AI infantry attack force there are stryker ATGM mixed with stryker APC.
26. i guess your right but i use the 2S7 because it has the range of the BM-30 and it can fire in areas closer to the battery then the BM-30 i just get tired when rounds go completely off target and land on allied units and when round land near units but not doing that much damage. now i think of it ill rather take the 2s7 over the 2S19 because who docent like 203mm of pure destruction, well i guess the enemy wont but who cares about the enemy
27. when i read the M1A2SEP in the text it says Meggitt auto-loader. it was there when i read the M1A2SEP description (i may be wrong ill go back and look at the M1A2SEP description)
29. that was just a joke
once again sorry for all the suggestions but this is my first mod and its the best thing Ive ever downloaded. and i would like to help you guys out if only i had money i need to get a job but first i need to get a ID but ill shall get job and ID eventually. i don't have much of a life

Edited by: AllenZakiv_Blackwell

It is ok, your suggestions are welcome.

we do have moddeling issue, as there are several outstanding projects (bmp3 to name one), if you want you can buy a model for us (we can send you the specs over)

9) this is balancing thing really
12) this is in the dev build, will be released later on (now T90A uses sabot for autofire and has the missile as spec ab)
23) it was meant to be a common infantry vehicle (ie for BMP and BMD series replacement) - not the light tank as such. it was in fact tested at the airdrop and can be airdroped if needed. later bmp3 variants might have issue with that though (with addon armor and so on). the marine version is pretty decent imho though.
24) no, it is the bots that get a squad (1 apc 1 atgm vehicle) for their organic unit
26) again, i think msta-s is possible but modeling is the issue sadly. in the future there would be new arty code i think so we will see
27) the game treats the loader and autoloader the same. just think of it as of the "big black guy" (i hope ppl dont think me too racist)

dont worry, we do have most funds we require. but currently we have like 1 person that does all of the mod work...

btw as a random suggestion - maybe introduce thermobaric munitions for speznas?

(Random Suggestion) take out the SA-13 and instead upgrade the ZSU-23-4 to the ZSU-23-4M4 and give it the ability to turn off the radar witch will give it the ability to target ground units. oh and the Panstsir-S1 in real life has to deploy before firing

Tunguska, Shilka and Panzir can all use guns on the move. Tunguska, Tor need a short stop to fire their missiles (3 seconds or so). Panzir can fire on the move, which was proven in extensive testing. It doesn't need to "deploy" which implied it has some sort of stowed components like S300 series.

ZSU-23-4M4 has no place in realistic combat and we're satisfied with the work done on 9M333 Strela for SA-13. Current setup is just fine.

Regarding Pantsir S1, it will be upgraded to use FLINT tech later, and you're wrong in that Pantsir cannot fire on the move -- the whole point of the Tunguska->Pantsir upgrade was to reduce reaction time and fire on the move.

how that hell do you guys keep up with your sugestions.

Its takes a lot of work and decapitation (no it just means that you have nothing better to do with your life )

Take a look at the Pantsir S1 in the ling below. This is from a Command and Conquer 3 mod (Fallout) the detail of the Pantsir S1 in its deployed and packed up state is amazing and it how it deploys is so realistic to the Pantsir S1 in real life. I couldn't get a picture of it packed up to show you, sorry.

Media.indiedb.com

what do you mean about realistic combat, there's nothing realistic about this game. But anyway I still think the ZSU-23-4 should be upgraded if not then at lease give it the ability to target ground units, that would be real helpful.

Edited by: AllenZakiv_Blackwell

Our version of Pantsir is currently old/deprecated (hell it was implemented during old FUN MOD days). It is under review and will be upgraded to new system and probably a new model / animation set as well.

As for realism, we try to keep things more realistic / authentic while taking into account for small map size. I don't think you understand.

Edited by: blahdy

To tell the truth I don't understand much of anything these days. I'm eighteen and I graduated high school and I do not understand anything anymore don't ask me why but I just stop caring about the real world a long time ago.
But anyway the ZSU-23-4 upgrade was just a suggestion (although I still think it should have the ability to attack ground units), the Pantsir S-1 is the only anti-air unit i need. going off topic the 2s7 should do more damage/blast damage ether that or needs to be more accurate (this thing has a habit of going completely off target and landing on allies and since the Russians lack precision long rang artillery) maybe give it a rocket-assistant rounds as a OF power. I just love to deliver 203mm of destruction to my enemy's

The precision was fine on that weapon, blast damaged is scaled down due to small map sizes. Otherwise arty would rule the day (especially considering how small is delay between order and fireing the gun, and how small choke points on some maps are.

Why bm-30 "smerch" does not have the offensive ability now? Are you planing add something new or it is for balacing purpose? If for balance, so why then MLRS still have "high explosive rockets" ability? It looks like now the US artillery are better in any cases.

Scorch17 wrote: Why bm-30 "smerch" does not have the offensive ability now? Are you planing add something new or it is for balacing purpose? If for balance, so why then MLRS still have "high explosive rockets" ability? It looks like now the US artillery are better in any cases.

It's planned to have something new as replacement.

Hello Guys,
I have some suggestion for russian infantry model
it would be better if you could change the headgear of the soldier that wear beenie to russian Ushanka.
Or you could change the headgear to the russian army helmet for those who wear beenie
This is just a suggestion

I think it is fine right now.