Ham and Jam is a teamplay orientated, first person WW2 multiplayer game centred around the British and Commonwealth campaigns from 1939-45. Historically accurate missions coupled with careful balance between realistic and enjoyable gameplay makes Ham and Jam a unique experience. Ham and Jam started out as an idea between it's two main developers as an alternative to the tired old "U.S./Russia vs. Germany, post June 6th 1944" formulae WW2 games seem to use. Fed-up with everything prior to D-Day being ignored, the North West Europe theatre and the lack of British, Commonwealth and Free Forces they decided to do something about it. The goal was clear, to make a WW2 mod that featured all the missing bits of WW2 history, portray it in a historically accurate way but without detracting from the fun or playability by overdoing realism. In short the kind of game they and their friends would like to play. The name comes from the original code words for the capture of the Pegasus/Orne bridges

Report article RSS Feed Better late than never; HaJ vs DoD

Sorry about the excessively long delay since the last update. The vast bulk of this news update has been written for quite some time but we just haven’t had time to finish it off for a variety of reasons, the main being the lack of time to work on the mod by most of the team.

Posted by ginger_lord on Jul 14th, 2010

Unfortunately as is life, there are times where you just don’t have time spare. I’ve been incredibly busy at work bombing up and down Sweden and Ginger Lord, who usually takes care of the news updates, started work at Crytek UK a month or two ago and has been incredibly busy doing “stuff he cant talk about”. His employers at Crytek have unfortunately deemed HaJ as a ‘conflict of interest’ so for the foreseeable future his involvement with the mod will be limited, which is a real shame. He’s looking at resolving this as soon as possible as we’re so close to finishing it would be a tragedy to have to leave at this point. The rest of the core team have all been incredibly busy with a combination of final year University/College stuff and finding/moving jobs which has put a serious dent in our team work time.

Therefore this update isn’t an all singing all dancing media blitz, but something we’ve been saving for a rainy day. Hopefully it will answer all you’re questions about “What makes HaJ any different to DoD or any other WW2 game”

So sit down, grab a cup of tea and here we go….


This is the question that always crops up, “What makes you any different to DoD:S” usually followed by some smarmy comment of “lulz, looks like dods”. This month we are doing a big comparison of the two games, using controlled environments, videos and comments from players of both games.

1) The Environment

Both games are set in WW2 naturally and at the end of the day there’s only so different you can make houses look. Where HaJ differs is the scope of the environments, DoD trends towards post D-Day France whereas we have a multitude of environments in our levels. As you can see from our media releases we have levels set in environments most WW2 games do not tend to visit such as the early war Commando raids on Norway and the Mediterranean theatre of war.

Not only do the theatres vary but so do the sizes of the levels. Archery is perfect for smaller player counts but Gold can swallow entire teams. If you were to overlay dod_donner on haj_gold, you’d get three dod_donner’s inside it. Combined with our advancing spawn systems you never feel like you are walking a huge distance however.

HaJ vs DoD : Map Size

2) The Weapons

Again like in DoDS theres only so much variety with weapons you can do before you get into the realms of fantasy (jones). Currently each side has a choice of 3 classes, Rifleman, Assault and Support. For the Germans they have the ubiquitous K98k, MP40 and MG34. We chose the MG34 over the MG42 as it’s easier to balance and was around for the entire war rather than just 1942 onwards, so we’d have had to make it anyway!

The Commonwealth sides have as standard the Lee Enfield No4, Sten’s Mk2 and 5, Thompson and Bren’s Mk1 and Mk2. They don’t have them all at the same time and depending on the year you are assigned the specific weapon for example:

Pre 1942 – Thompson/Bren Mk1
Post 1942 – Sten Mk2, Bren Mk2
Post 1944 & Airborne forces – Sten Mk5

Each version is slightly different in the way it works as well as being visually different.

The guns aren’t clones of each other either like DoDS which also brings about tactical thinking. The MP40 shoots at a slower rate than the Sten’s but the slower rate means you can control the recoil better. Our recoil system is similar to DoD’s for reference. The Sten Mk2 has slightly more recoil than the Mk5 due to the lack of the Mk5’s grips and lower weight. The Thompson has the second highest firing rate in the game and packs a punch but its movement penalty is also one of the highest.

The Enfield obviously has 5 more rounds than the K98 and the bolt can be worked faster on the Enfield, to counter the damage drops off later on the K98. Unlike many games our bullets lose damage over distance, a half way house between hitscan and fully simulated bullets. A bullet will do x damage for y units, after that the damage drops down as distance grows. No more MP40 headshots at 2km like other games! This gives each class a defined area of play, the Riflemen tackle long range engagements and relies on the Assault class for help in tighter areas. The Support class provide a good middle ground and both sides Support classes have pro’s and con’s. The MG34 is the king of static defence and suffers greatly on the move, the Bren provides heavy mobile punch but the slow rate of fire and small magazine provide limited static defence.



3) The Gameplay

Gameplay in HaJ is much slower than DoD. Not only do players move slower but objectives take much longer to capture. In DoD most objectives can be controlled by one player running through a flag doing an “insta cap”. HaJ quite often uses multiple person capture areas (some quite large requiring players to control an entire building for example) and these take a significant amount of time to capture, some up to 30 seconds. If you all bundle on the objective then you will almost certainly all get taken out by a well placed grenade. In HaJ teamwork is essential and rewarded, leave some people to capture the objective and push out to defend the perimeter.


Teamwork is rewarded via out Combat Effectiveness (CE) system and teamwork bonuses. For example if you are near some teammates and you kill an enemy, you get an extra CE point for every nearby teammate to reflect you keeping them safe. With friendly players nearby your reload speed gets quicker and you can also sprint for longer. We also plan to reward players that defend the perimeter of objectives as well as those directly responsible for the capture.

In summary the slower pace of player movement, the larger maps and the level of teamwork required set us apart from DoD.

I can tell you all this and you can choose whether to believe it or not, after all I am slightly biased having been involved in the development from the start. I pitched a few of your questions to the beta testing team and these are their answers.



What makes HaJ different from DoD:S?

“Hughy” - I would summarise by saying that whilst both games have similarities, and they may appear similar in the flesh they are also a world apart. Where DoDS’ gameplay is linear, limited and more often than not stagnant, HaJ succeeds in creating varied and exciting gameplay over a large number of different scenarios. I often get the feeling that HaJ is in the direction of what I would have liked and hoped DoDS to be, far closer in gameplay to the old DoD 3.1 beta that captured my imagination all those years ago.

“Cpt. Ukulele” – In short, to me, HaJ’s pace is a bit more deliberate, you get a bit more time to think about what you’re doing and where you’re going. It’s more important to take advantage of the environment for cover. The main thing though is the emphasis on team play; in HaJ there’s no one-man army. A great shot can’t destroy a team or win a map single-handedly. A lone wolf only interested in padding his K-D ratio will sit near the bottom of the scoreboard with his shooting pyrotechnics unacknowledged.

How will you encourage teamwork?

“Hughy” – HaJ’s combat effectiveness system encourages players to work more closely together as a team, rewarding players for their teamwork whilst DoDS offers little to no incentive to players to stick together. The level of teamwork required in HaJ is well balanced, not being at a point where players need absolute communication at all times, but rather making it the logical option via a combination of the game’s mechanics, map layout, class abilities and the CE system.

“Porc-Epic” – Teamwork is actually needed and rewarded, some objectives are are very hard to capture if you don’t work as a team, everyone standing on a cap wont work (enemy can easily wipe out half the team with a grenade if that happens) there needs to be people in front of the cap to stop the enemy reinforcements from getting anywhere near to the objectives (captures take a lot longer and so this is important). Maps are also larger so it is harder to go rambo successfully, sticking together will keep you alive for longer, you are also rewarded for sticking together as a team by getting rewards such as extra points and are able to sprint for longer and are able to reload quicker.

My biggest problem with DOD was campers. My biggest problem with DOD:S is campers & people using the Thompson/mp40. Is H&J going to be similar to DOD in the sense of weapon power?
“Porc-Epic” – There will always be campers in every game but there are a few things in HaJ which should lower the amount of campers. You get points (and other rewards) for staying in groups so people should have less reason to camp on their own (obviously people will still camp on objectives as they have to be defended). Once one objective is captured the spawns move up and the fighting moves to a different section of the map, this should as well stop people from camping as they will have to move up with the rest of the team.

SMGs have a similar amount of damage to dods at close range although the different smgs do different amounts of damage (and have different rates of fire, recoil etc so they don’t handle like each other or like the dods smgs), at different ranges weapons do different amounts of damage so rifles at long range have an advantage over the smgs; if you get hit by an smg at long range it will do much less damage than a rifle, which means that smgs are only really useful at close range.

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MrMattWebb
MrMattWebb Jul 14 2010, 7:47pm says:

Amazing. Im wondering how this will stack up to RnL. Overall, the polish seems very high. I have to admit the camera bob makes me a tad nauseous.

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SteveUK Creator
SteveUK Jul 14 2010, 7:53pm replied:

No complaints from testers, unless you're really sensitive to getting motion sickness there is no need to worry.

The effect only happens when you're sprinting and is so subtle you don't even notice it that often, but it reduces the floating feel of movement you get in Source games.

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mrgriggs
mrgriggs Jul 15 2010, 12:34am replied:

is there anyway to become a tester?

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MadMonkey119
MadMonkey119 Jul 14 2010, 8:08pm says:

Wow, sounds great! Also you forgot one difference, the price! Which is free and which costs 20 bucks?

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Newbez
Newbez Jul 15 2010, 9:06am replied:

it costs more like 10 bucks, the games literally dead as well -.- i bought it like a month ago and played 1 hour, went back on it, literally dead like i said

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Spenzerr
Spenzerr Jul 14 2010, 8:40pm says:

Nice article, hope you guys find the time to finish this as ww2 games are one of my favorites and i've been watching this for quite awhile! But try not to get fired!!! :P

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Dr.Nick
Dr.Nick Jul 14 2010, 8:47pm says:

Alright you've convinced me....I shall try your mod when it comes out.

And now you must answer the next question! HaJ vs. RaL

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Centaur1um
Centaur1um Jul 14 2010, 9:08pm says:

Awesome awesome, I hate it when people compare **** to other games, prime example, MW2 and BC2 T_T

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jerry111
jerry111 Jul 14 2010, 9:47pm says:

nice article, i was wondering about this when i first heard of H&J. I'll definitely be playing this when it gets released.

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Vcc2cc
Vcc2cc Jul 14 2010, 10:39pm says:

I think the CE thing was a nice touch. Allowing players to sprint longer and/or faster, plus reloading faster while in a group, really makes HaJ a better choice and helps against campers, compared to DOD:S.

I also think that the SMG distance-meets-damage function works well too. How many times has anybody here been playin DOD:S in Avalanche, and had 4 bullets from the thompson randomly hit them thru a wall and do 90% damage?

I can't wait for this mod.

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kaiserpanda
kaiserpanda Jul 15 2010, 10:15am says:

looking great, love the animations. I don't like the screen-goes-up muzzle climb. if you have a properly steated weapon it will mostly ride back and in to you. i think the reasoning for games using the mechanic is to simulate fighting against automatic fire, but the screen-rise is un-natural and obnoxiously against your control of the game. also, again, unless you're seating the weapon at the top of your shoulder like a wierdo you wouldn't be fighting against it climbing.

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Snuffeldjuret
Snuffeldjuret Jul 15 2010, 11:18am says:

Like the original DoD but not DoD:S, so it's gonna be fun to try this out once it is released =).

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dave_5430
dave_5430 Jul 15 2010, 1:33pm says:

Hahaha, you convinced me...

... but I already knew DOD sucked on every level, starting with realism.

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Rukus_
Rukus_ Jul 15 2010, 7:05pm says:

So, the run speed is halved but the sprint speed is nearly the same. Cool.

I will play this a lot more than DOD for sure.

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masterchief396
masterchief396 Jul 15 2010, 8:20pm says:

Wow amazing videos! I never thought to try this because I own DOD but now I think I might give it a whirl. :D

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MaTudre
MaTudre Jul 16 2010, 5:07am says:

Nice, seems like a mix between RnL and DoD:s :)
Hope you rls soon some playable beta so that we all can play this...

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fier_
fier_ Jul 17 2010, 12:56am says:

Finally, a WW2 mod that will include Tunisia, other parts of the Mediterranean, and possibly Myanmar (Burma, during WW2). I've fought through France and Stalingrad way to much.

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