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AwayPeskyFlies
AwayPeskyFlies Mar 12 2013, 6:49pm says:

So...so beuteful...

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:12pm replied:

That, is quiet possibly the one thing I can agree with on this tank.
:)

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Droidekas
Droidekas Aug 27 2013, 11:57am replied:

Ha! Nice one.

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Prince_Kassad
Prince_Kassad Mar 12 2013, 7:07pm says:

Nice

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 12 2013, 7:09pm buried:

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So, the PE will be able to one-shot other Shermans? For 500 Manpower?
Where's the balance in that? ( -_-)

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Xalibur
Xalibur Mar 12 2013, 7:16pm replied:

Read what I write...perhaps you will get a 75mm Sherman and out of a sudden it will be unfair because it's to expensive? Come on...

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TheVole
TheVole Mar 12 2013, 7:20pm replied:

Maybe he just does not like it being random, I for one though will try my luck and hopefully get a firefly. :)

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 12 2013, 8:51pm buried:

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Not so much that it's random, just the fact that they can get an instant Sherman for 500 manpower. Who wouldn't? And who wouldn't choose the wagon over this? It's just unbalanced.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 12 2013, 8:47pm buried:

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Indeed, when the Firefly can 1-shot a Sherman and the Sherman can't do **** about it? When the 17 pounder outranges it? When the firefly is just as maneuverable?

And when did the Sherman become too expensive? Just about every other German armor bigger than the Panzer III stubby can take it out with ease. IT's armor is paper. Your argument is invalid.

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DoctorSchmerz
DoctorSchmerz Mar 13 2013, 9:49am replied:

You forgot that you still need 4 CPs to unlock them (If you are going straight to tanks). Both CW and US need only 2 CPs for Firefly/Sherman 76mm. You can easily destroy those Shermans with bazooka team! By that logic, I could whine about Sherman Jumbo which costs 800 manpower and can 1 shot kill Tigers even without AP shells! Come on....

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 13 2013, 8:45pm buried:

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Jumbo can't 1-shot Tigers for it's life. And if it does 1-shot a Tiger by accident, have you forgotten you can have only ONE of them on the field at a time?

And some doctrines need 4 CPs to unlock the 76mm and Firefly, have you forgotten that? Namely Infantry and RCA.

And what idiot doesn't support his tanks without infantry? It's suicide, if you ask me. Just waiting to get a bazooka or a panzershrek warhead shoved in your face.

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BunkerW0808
BunkerW0808 Apr 26 2014, 9:57am replied:

its not its armour thats invalid its you for posting such nonesense about this beautiful mod!!!

@the soilder

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mp44mg42
mp44mg42 Mar 13 2013, 2:58am replied:

The Shermans one shot German tanks for 400 Manpower, Wheres your balance now?

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 13 2013, 8:47pm buried:

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Fine. A 400 MP Sherman couldn't 1-shot a Tiger or a Panther, yet those tanks can do just that to the Shermans.

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mp44mg42
mp44mg42 Mar 14 2013, 1:49am replied:

BECAUSE THEY COST 1000 MANPOWER AND 180 FUEL!!

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:18pm buried:

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And they indeed cost that much. Your fault to tossing something that expensive away. Like the guys below me said, I'll say it again:
TACTICS

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mp44mg42
mp44mg42 Mar 14 2013, 8:55pm replied:

How strong is the amour of the m4 76mm sherman?, easy eight i think its called.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 15 2013, 3:30pm buried:

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76mm w/ sloping. I've got no problem that the Tiger can 1-shot it.

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DoctorSchmerz
DoctorSchmerz Mar 14 2013, 5:25am replied:

@TheSoldier
So you're whining about the tanks which are meant to do that exact job - destroying tanks. Panther costs 3 to 4 times more than regular Sherman. And if you attack 1 Panther with 4 regular shermans there's just no way you can lose. That's why their tanks are so cheap and easy to mass-produce.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:03pm buried:

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Indeed.

And whining? I wouldn't call it whining. More of providing an argument.

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DoctorSchmerz
DoctorSchmerz Mar 15 2013, 3:21am replied:

So you are trying to prove that mid game tank destroyer shouldn't be able to blow up mid game tanks? That's some argument you're proving there....

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 15 2013, 12:35pm buried:

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This Beutepanzer is an early-game tank. It's only 4 CPs, and can be called in. The Brits, however, need to build the Field Support Truck, THEN a captain, THEN a Cromwell Command Tank. And the CW Firefly also needs 2-4 CPs to unlock. So, is the Beutepanzer so much of a "mid-game" tank now?

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OgKila
OgKila May 4 2014, 6:38am replied:

Thats realism (sorta), my friend.

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eXpoZe-Ghost
eXpoZe-Ghost Mar 13 2013, 7:31am replied:

you only want to play the US faction right?? so every thing new for the germans should suck???

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 13 2013, 8:49pm buried:

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I'm not saying this tanks sucks. A 17 pounder is nothing to be laughed at. The Firefly can 1-Shot any Sherman, other than the Jumbo, from the front.

And the Tiger or the Panther is nothing to be laughing at, either.

So, what's your argument again?

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 12:02pm replied:

Bro, it's called using tactics.
Use a Chaffee or a Stag to stun your freakin' prey, then follow up with a few shermans with armor piercing (or just flank the Tiger or Panther) and your problem is solved. I sometimes feel invincible when I have Panthers and Tigers, but i've come to be cautious and wary of any enemy tank I encounter. You (and everyone) should be the same.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:04pm buried:

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And how often will a Staghound or Chaffee get close enough to fire a phosphorous round before it gets wrecked?

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:16pm buried:

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Furthermore, if the Germans have fewer tanks and infantry, shouldn't they be the ones using more tactics? Please.

And I'm not saying German tanks are invincible - that's far from the topic. I need a reason on why the hell the Beutepanzer should be in-game, and how it's possibly going to be balanced.

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 3:24pm replied:

Judging by the pictures so far, one disadvantage the Beutepanzer has is the lack of an AA-mg (though there are photos of German soldiers with Beutes that have AA-mgs), so it's easily countered by AT spam. Second, they probably wont be able to get sandbag armor, Sherman vs Sherman, allies win. And lastly, you dont know what you're going to get: I sure as heck would feel like a turtle if I got a VC Firefly when I was facing an allied infantry and emplacement spammer. Same thing if I get a 75mm against Armored Company.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 3:43pm buried:

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Basic Sherman Firefly versus basic M4A3 Sherman (even with a 76mm cannon), Firefly wins. 100% of the time.

And how often does the AA MG get any kills? It's absolute crap at it's job, as the dev team has made hull, coaxial, and AA MGs crap, only good for suppression. It's not like the other MGs do just as good, if not better, job. At least in BtB, infantry have reason to fear them - much more effective.

And only one doctrine will give Shermans and sandbags - Armor. So have fun countering them if you don't have that!

And one solution: artillery. If you've chosen the Scorched Earth doctrine, you've obviously got the Wespe and the most powerful artillery in the game: the Hummel. And you've also got those 200mm Nebelwerfers.

Problem there?

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 5:03pm replied:

Sorry, my eyes must be taunting me. Did you just say that AA-Mgs DONT DO ANYTHING AT ALL? Pfffffft, you, Soldier, have made me laugh greatly. Here's an excellent test to prove your hypothesis of "uesless" (lol) AA-mgs is wrong: Use the Henschel and Porsche King Tigers against infantry, and see which one racks more kills. -__-

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 5:20pm buried:

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Nope. They're ******. Why do you think EVERY tank gets them? At least, in vanilla, you had to pay for a .50 or the MG42 and it actually worked. In here, they're inaccurate and can't do anything to that infantry squad that's rapidly closing in.

Indeed, the MG on top of the KT will get more kills, obviously, because that huge cannon that's mounted in the turret can't do **** to infantry.

And if anything, the AA MG is only good at suppressing infantry. That's about it.

But you digress. Back to the Beutepanzer, a 17 Pounder is just OVERKILL. So is the 76mm. The 75mm is the only reasonable one.

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 5:23pm replied:

But 76mm/17pdr sherman are still inferior to the Marder I, because the Marder can camo, go rapid-fire, and has the same armor more or less as a 75mm sherman.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 5:28pm buried:

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The Geschützwagen DOESN'T get ANY penetration or damage bonuses from going into camo mode, only a faster fire fate. It can't 1-shot Shermans.

The Firefly, however, CAN 1-shot Shermans. Why should the player choose the Geschützwagen over the Beutepanzer? Your argument?

And besides, the Firefly can also go rapid-fire. And the Marder III, having more armor than the Sherman? *chuckle*

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 5:31pm replied:

Bro, I said "Marder I", not III.
And I indeed have scored 1 hits on even 76(W) shermans before. And the Firefly cant go camo. You're reallllly not making sense right now.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 5:33pm buried:

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Nope. It's actually impossible. In the code, it is literally impossible to 1-shot a Sherman (Ruhr). How in the world does that happen? And I said the Firefly can go RAPID-FIRE, not CAMO. Please, YOU go look up YOUR facts.

And if you haven't noticed, I saw my error. And edited it. Please.

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 5:39pm replied:

And I said "The firefly cant go camo" as a notable disadvantage (I was implying that the Marder I is better). And with the veterancy system, a max vet Marder I will slice through a 75mm and maybe even a 76er with 1 shot.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 5:43pm buried:

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Indeed. And how often will a Geschützwagen go to get vet 5 before it gets hunted down by the other players?

Adding on to that, the Firefly gets that damage automatically. Imagine what veterancy does that, hmm?

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 14 2013, 5:49pm replied:

But since it lacks any anti-infantry weapons, the Firefly will get hunted down by Panzerschrecks. The Marder at least can fire HE for a few seconds.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 14 2013, 5:51pm buried:

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And does anyone know how absolute crap HE rounds are? Even with the timed one (we all know how **** the single shot ones are), it's still ineffective. Inaccurate and the tank can still be flanked.

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 12 2013, 7:38pm says:

Right on, Xalibur!
I can now die a happy man ^^

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L1K3A8O5S
L1K3A8O5S Mar 13 2013, 12:22am says:

I hate the balance police.

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TheSoldier
TheSoldier Mar 13 2013, 8:50pm buried:

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Pff. Not the balance police. More like it's-a-useless-and-uneeded-unit police. What have you seen the dev team do that has significantly leveled the playing field for both the axis and the allies?

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Sgt_Shidner
Sgt_Shidner Mar 13 2013, 2:08am says:

B-E-A-utiful.....

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starship47
starship47 Mar 13 2013, 6:23am says:

is this ingame pic? i dont have a good computer so i cant tell if it is nice looking unit

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JesusOfCalgary
JesusOfCalgary Mar 21 2013, 12:35am replied:

Taken in World Builder so yes it's the same quality ingame.

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Erwin-Rommel
Erwin-Rommel Mar 13 2013, 7:11am says:

Im assuming this will be a unique unit, right? I mean, they did use captired tanks but they were not a common sight.

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PanzerJuice
PanzerJuice Mar 13 2013, 10:25am replied:

Since in the description it says "Replaces the Geschutzwagen call-in ability for SE" I hope it can be called in several times like the 39(H), otherwise it'd be horrible for the players who could've had more than one 39(h) :/

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willychong8921
willychong8921 Mar 13 2013, 11:28am says:

These tank can't be too expensive, you know, or else it won't even show up ever, but made it a limit of 2 to 3, cause you know, these things are very rare in the German arsenal.

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Nilidus
Nilidus Mar 13 2013, 12:54pm says:

meine beute!

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In the next update we will replace the PE SE Geschützwagen call-in with a new random Sherman "Beutepanzer" -> "captured tank" call-in.

A 3rd version 75mm short barrel Sherman is WIP. So you select the call-in and it will be always a surprise what you will get for you bucks ;)

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