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This is for Cervi_Messias and the rest of the atheists on moddb like him who believe censorship is fine and who think I'm using hate speech "bashing" their group by disagreeing with their beliefs civilly and constructively providing reasons as to why I think they are wrong.
This is the debate group, correct? Obviously people are going to disagree with you and debate you here. Just because you disagree doesn't mean the argument/opinion/idea should be censored. That's oppression of free speech. I have a right to speak against the philosophy of atheism constructively as I have been doing.
Hate speech is "communication that vilifies a person or a group based on discrimination against that person or group" according to Wikipedia. I've not done that. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I should be censored. Keep in mind that I also disagree with you.
According to Wikiquote, "Censorship is the suppression of speech or other communication which may be considered objectionable, harmful, sensitive, or inconvenient to the general body of people as determined by a government, media outlet, or other controlling body."
Should there be censorship? Where do we draw the line? Should an unpopular opinion be censored "just because" and how does that work? Hate speech and censorship are two different things.
This is just an image for the atheists who keep going on about my images targeting atheism. This is the debate group, correct? Obviously people are going to disagree with you and debate you here. Just because you disagree doesn't mean the argument/opinion/idea should be censored. That's oppression of free speech. I have a right to speak against the philosophy of atheism.
Hate speech is "communication that vilifies a person or a group based on discrimination against that person or group" according to Wikipedia. I've not done that. Just because you disagree with me doesn't mean I should be censored. Keep in mind that I also disagree with you.
The fundamental problem with the MOdDB comment system is that people can't express their approve/disapprove (i.e. using the karma system) without committing the sin of the intellectual tyranny of the majority. That's an issue with the commenting system itself and may not actually reflect any actual intent to censor.
(It would be nice if moddb do what danbooru has done and give an option to un-upvote/down vote comments...)
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So back on topic. It really depends on the society, there is no "one size fits all". Certain societies are more prone to social disorder, therefore for the betterment of those societies they should have more censorship...
That wasn't the censorship I was talking about. People can down-vote all they want (as the babies will with this comment right now) but it doesn't remove the comment. That's just annoying. It's not censorship. The censorship I was referring to is where unpopular opinions are censored because people don't like them.
I think you mean that freedom of speech and hate speech are two different things. Censorship occurs when one party/group/person decides that they don't like what's being said and attempts to silence the person saying the thing that they disagree with or simply dislike.
I think censorship is good to an extent. For example, censorship of child porn or blurring out certain images on the news in case children are watching. However, censorship of unpopular opinions is silly and wrong in an area that has freedom of speech even if those opinions are hate filled or incorrect. I think Evelyn Beatrice Hall says it best 'I disapprove of what you say, but I will defend to the death your right to say it'. That's probably my favourite quote ever and sums up my attitude to free speech.
Yes an atheist would say that.
@Spudman619
LOL obviously that censorship is good but the censorship of an unpopular opinion is the oppression of free speech. Every person, atheist, Hindu, Christian, Jew, Muslim, black, white, gay, tran, poor, rich etc should have the right to free speech.
We're on the same page there HinduMan.
Thank you Spudman. Finally an atheist who gets my point. I have said some stuff against atheism but it's free speech. You are entitled to say your things against religion. I will support that. I am not offended by different opinions. I'm here for the sole reason to debate other people's beliefs and as always I welcome everyone's replies.
I think a lot of Atheists are on the same page with Hindu, I just think you may have (unwillingly or not) argued your case in such a way that your point came across as an attack on the Atheists.
I doubt anyone here is arguing the right to free speech unless they are simply trolling.
*page with you.
please you atheist hate free speech. always trying to ban CHRIST-mas and the ten commandments and such. Nobody believes your lies.
Speech be it hateful or intellectual should not be censored. But another issue is people should have the ability to remain silent and choose not to answer questions. In this regard however the australian government disagrees with me