A group for those without religion, as well as those who oppose it.
Why does this picture always remind me on Ecclesia?
This religious logic deserves nothing else than heavy insults and profanity, it deserves not the slightest bit of respect, it not even deserve to exist unless you want to mark yourself as mind-****** retard. The "WTF" respond in the pic is justified.
okay so prove every single step of: big bang, (nothing-->something) chemical evolution, abiogenesis, (dead stuff coming alive) evolution creatures acquiring new and in most cases improved genetic information.
oh and while your at it tell me WHY we do not see nothing "exploding" anymore?
Oh, you are feeling offended? And you seriously want me to prove that? How stupid... Why you dont prove your god for exchange first since you are making the claim that all those things are false. ;)
Well, I think you and Ecclesias only agenda is to look as if science is wrong ect. Thats why you guys are "debating", not to learn something new or to change your point of view, but to make us to yourself winning in such a debate even when you lost already. Thats why you hateful guys keep asking the same idiotic questions and make the same idiotic requests as before and why you ignore all the arguments, even if we prove you wrong for all eternity? Thats at least my conclusion since I started dealing with you and other creationists.
I simply cant imagine or understand how utterly retarded people can be like this, unless its been done on purpose. Religion is crippling your mind.
Did I just see, "prove your claim first" that's an interesting way of saying you can't prove it didn't...
Usually yes, but in my current case it means "shut the **** up! Why should I or we explain it to you (again) if you dont understand it anyway?". Besides, there is a whole thread in the debating forum filled with explanations and examples. Read those links from us atheists with an open mind for a change and you might learn something - and no, Im not asking you to get rid of your god, just understanding the subject.
And dont look on creationists sites, they are like learning math throuth chewing on the toilet seat. Start at Wiki and follow the references.
I cannot even state how many times it seems like we went over this with you and yet you still think the Big Bang was an 'explosion'.
We shouldn't have to waste our time explaining this ****. Read some science books.
Yes the reason why I put "explosion" in quotes is because I lack the better descriptive word that would fit the big bang idea. And explaining what I mean is not something I enjoy.
For the next time: Big Bang = Expansion.
because it wasnt nothing
the big bang was the expansion of the singularity
only retards say it was nothing
christains seem to think they must force there magical beliefs into science but thats not the case
and i explained evolution to you over pm- i answered all your legitemet questions atleast until you started being an ***.
so either you didnt read them, are being a troll or have the memory of a goldfish.
so which is it elf?
My deer, Hunter
he did not understand it. Maybe if you add 'The Bible' title, it would change, suddenly it would be true. And worth quoting. I suggest to try. Nobody will notice it contradicts with the rest.
Until I see evolution, and NOT just variation within a kind!!! I am not willin to accept it as fact:)
As for the big bang, well where did all the matter come from? It had to have a begining, unless you are attributing matter with the ability to never have a begining or end. But what caused the expansion of the universe?
Evolution: See my advice above.
Matter is simply energy or rather the binding energy of elementary particles (up- and downquarks + electrons) and this energy is all its mass. So nothing like sand in the universe. The matter was created after the singularity started expanding (Big Bang) and created, time, space and the 4 forces - and through those the matter.
What caused the expansion? Dont know.
"variation within a kind" IS EVOLUTION FOR ****'S SAKE DAMN IT.
Not to mention "kind" isn't a scientific term.
Dude, can you prove a invisible man creating humans from dirt or something like that ?
Abiogenesis is not dead stuff coming alive, it's an explanation about the begginig of organic life on Earth.
I know it's an explaination...but my question is PROVE IT!
are question is prove yours first,
we have research and 100yrs of study on our side
you have nothing but a magic rainbow bet- you cannot ask us to prove ourselves until you back up your own silly claims
otherwise just like eccelsia did youwill automatically lose.
Sounds very much like what the picture tries to get accross.
Prove your point first is pretty much prove that my point is wrong. Which is exacly what the picture presents as RELIGION therefore your belief by your own picture=religion:)
Dead stuff required to be alive first.
However, we are made of non-living matter and all we are is a firework of chemical reactions. To disprove evolution and abiogenesis you have to show science an organ that cannot be found in any other living being, an organ that would allow us to connect to the spirit world where your god lives. That would be an undeniable proof for some truth in Genesis - and abiogenesis wouldnt be there to explain how life on earth began and evolution wouldnt be like it is now.
And where should this organ be? The brain sure is complex, but not complex enough. The heart is just a muscle. The gut would be possible, but there is no evidence that it does other jobs than digest and some lower ranked neural activities. But none of those organs are human specific.
I'd bet on the brain, but that's not the point I want to make with this post. What I do what to point out is that if everything was known then what would be the point of faith? Now since NOBODY saw and recorded the evolutionary process(i'm including all the steps of origins that you guys believe in by saying that, I just don't like listing 5 things EVERY time)anyways since nobody saw or recorded it then how can you know what happened? You can't it could be that you guys look at the facts the wrong way, or it could be that creationist look at the facts the wrong way. Will we ever know? Most likely not in this life, therefore both beliefs require faith.
I would try to explain it to you, but when we try to explain something to religious they DON'T ******* LISTEN, because it's much more simple to say "no".
Good thing you don't live in the US, DetoNato. You would lose your rights for trampling on the rights of others here. At least, thats what is SUPPOSED to happen. Your attitude is akin to those who believed the same thing about different races. Look at what that lead to!
Ehm, no. I wouldnt especially since a) its not even close to racism as you tried to imply and b) the religous logic is rather a fraud than free speech. So **** yourself and go home.
Looks like you didn't understand my statement or you forgot that you said "This religious logic deserves nothing else than heavy insults and profanity, it deserves not the slightest bit of respect, it not even deserve to exist unless you want to mark yourself as mind-****** retard." Thats exactly the attitude I'm talking about. Thats the exact same thing racists say about those they consider "inferior" before they demand their deaths or persecution. I'm saying your attitude is very dangerous. As they say, "Those who fail to learn from history are doomed to repeat it."
No, racists prefer much more superficial reason to point there hate on. Like skin color or their ethnicity.
I on the other hand can come along with theist quite well, if they dont use this "prove that God does not exist!" logic when they talk about science. If you talk about science, you have to obey scientific principles like everyone else have to: extraordinary claims needs extraordinary proof - or in other words, if you say that God exists, you have to proof it, not those who dont agree with you. That is the basic core or my harsh speech. It has nothing to do with racism, since its not directed towards people, but to a way of thinking, like I hate the idea of racism, national socialism, stalin- and maoism (or pseudocommunism in general), mammon (e.g. a golden key can open any door), death penalty, privatisation of important social and logistic infrastructure ect.
My attitude is not dangerous, unless its being used by stupid retards, violent fascists or fanatists and psychopaths. But those people or societies are dangerous even without this attitude and among intellectual atheists like us it has no chance to drive into a fascistic movement anyway. In fact we are pushing fascism away, we despise it as well as violence in general. I dont think that my words are driving anyone into hate against people in general, since I only went against a way of thinking, not even against your religion.
lol... We can track back the evolutionary process, never predict for 100% sure. Look, this picture Moddb.com is not only to look creationists dumb, its also reflecting what science discovered and that those disciplines agree independently. If more than 95% of all scientists who are working with this subject confirm that what we were able to discover, than its not a matter of interpretation, but a matter of fact. Creation scientists are those who interprete the facts wrong and still claim to be all knowing thanks to the Bible.
Evolutionary processes has been recorded. Look for examples about speciation. It can even happen in a human life span, as it was discovered on some reptiles and birds. So stop being ignorant!
Wow. Intolerance must be running rampant in Germany. A lot of "people" that talk like you and act like you are from friggin Germany. Are you selectively bred or do you come off an assembly line?
I am intolerant towards lies and frauds aka creationism and religion in general. Probably in Germany the people are not that ****** stupid and fall for the lies of religion. Or its rather because roman catholics accept evolution or science in general unlike most of you US-jesuits?
yuribeat5 wrote:Are you selectively bred or do you come off an assembly line?
I could ask the same thing about you, the bredded guy from the friggin "United States of Mammon". But I dont do it, because I know that its not fair towards the other half of the US people and you are just one of those bible belt retards.
Clearly I did not say all Germans are like you. You also seem to have the ability to only see what you want to see when you read.
Im just not perfect, thats all.
I cant read- see i am actually a room full of monkeys randomly typing on a keyboard.
this is just what comes out
still havent recreated the complete works of shakespeare but it will happen eventually.
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