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The group I made a few months ago on the subject of science has now come under siege by creationists. I call upon you, my minions of rationality, reason, and logic. Go forth in the defense of Science!
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The group I made a few months ago on the subject of science has now come under siege by creationists. I call upon you, my minions of rationality, reason, and logic. Go forth in the defense of Science!
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(do NOT troll their profiles or groups, I don't want to miss anything ;)
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And when Einstein was pressenting his ideas and theories, people like you stood in his way.
*people like You.
Galileo Galilei was held accused of Heresy and imprisoned for 9 years until he died for his heliocentric theories. Do you need me to explain the difference between skepticism, and outright ignorance and backwardness?
The chaotic church did a lot of evil. There are even hypothisis of them being the well know babylon in revelations. They have done a lot of evil, but they were against a lot of what he bible taught, so what they taugh was against what God instucted. They even tried to control the word of God. Aka the bible. They would only read it in Latin and all other translations were burned along with the translators.
I have a twelve page essay somewhere that would be perfect for this debate.
I got sources from i rhink six journals and studies that were used to write it. all I wuld have t do is find it.
or mabye could just go find the studies in the database again.
If you got an 12 page essay then I'd like to read it. I'm not a afraid of an evolutionist's point of veiw. However be prepared for some arguements back, if you know what I mean;)
Stop saying "Evolutionist". It's a deceptive term invented to misslead people into thinking Evolution is a religion - which it is NOT.
how about you use other terms like scientist, realist, or nondumbassists.
Read these and tell me what you think:
Blogs.answersingenesis.org
Answersingenesis.org
No matter how you put it evolution is a religion. You cannot prove that evolution happened, all you know from a fossil is that it died. You don't even know if that creature reproduced. So how can you assume something like that? Also evolution cannot prove the big bang, which is needed for the rest evolution to make "sense" and lastly were you there when the big bang happened? Adam at least saw God making stuff:) read genesis chapter 2 where God makes the garden and puts every tree that is good for food and pleasant to the eye. Then he makes everything right infront of Adam.
No matter how you put it, Evolution is not a religion. It's science. It's proven that it happened, and is still happening.
Really? There's new families/kinds of animals forming? I don't think so. Evolution is unprovable. Since nobody was there billions of years ago that recorded any of that stuff happening, while a very good friend of mine was there about 6000 years ago when He made this world, also he documented it very well:) and Adam saw my Friend making the trees and the animals that were in the garden that's why Satan came to Eve and not Adam who had witnessed God's power. God cannot lie since otherwise he would not be perfect therefore he would not be God, so what he said is true is really true!!!
having trouble finding it, most of complete papers were on a back up hard drive which was destroyed in a car crash (i got a pic of whats left of my truck on my page).
I think I may have part of said paper in a cloud storage folder but I would have to check.
I do have 7 of 9 pages of an essay on
"Climate during the Mesozoic and its impact on biodiversity"
I wrote it years ago in highschool so its not exactly every good but right now its all i can find thats not pyschology based.
O, and it doesnt have any of its sources attached to it (because its incomplete) but if you would lie to read it i could send it to you Elf. ;-)
If its purpose was to prove evolution then sure send it:) I'm always ready for a fun debate.
no its purpose was to show the effects of climate ans continental shifts on biodiversity during the Mesozoic era. its not on evolution because in the scientific community the theory of evolution is kinda like the theory of gravity its a given & only ignored by delusional people.
I have and never will write a paper to "prove" evolution just as I will never write a paper to prove gravity or that the earth is round, or that it orbits the sun.
no its purpose was to show the effects of climate and continental shifts on biodiversity during the Mesozoic era. its not on evolution because in the scientific community the theory of evolution is kinda like the theory of gravity its a given & only ignored by delusional people.
I have and never will write a paper to "prove" evolution just as I will never write a paper to prove gravity or that the earth is round, or that it orbits the sun.
Sounds like an interesting paper. Well the topic at least.
And how can you believe that evolution is a given fact? I mean it's not possible on the level that evolutionist claim. Sure variations within a kind happen quite often, but that doesn't prove that plants and animals are common.
You just pretty much admitted to evolution right there. That's ALL it is. Those same small changes and variations ADD up over long periods of time.
For example:
The dominant lizard color in a forest is a green lizard. Now, let's say one is born with a yellowish skin color and carries the genes for the yellowish skin color. At the same time the forest dries up, so it becomes a desert. The yellowish lizard has a much better chance of surviving and thus the yellow lizards get to mate a lot more as they are much more successful in this environment.
That is all evolution is. The process we call this sort of happening is natural selection. The one that survives, carries on the traits. Eventually, an entirely new species of lizard could emerge; all it needs is to mate more and become successful.
So your gods are time and chance? Think about it, evolution NEEDS time and chance. And really variation within a species is possible, but for one kind of bird to become a land walking four legged creature is so unlikely that God is thousands of times more likely then that.
"but for one kind of bird to become a land walking four legged creature is so unlikely that God is thousands of times more likely then that."
Good thing that hasn't happened yet, and probably won't. Birds evolved from four-legged animals, probably something like archaeopteryx. Why should such a thing happen in the first place? The flightless Cormorant is probably the only thing like that. Two legs are more efficient than four legs, so evolving from 2 to 4 legs is unlikely.
Wait 2 legs are better then 4? Maybe for an INTELEGENT being like humans, but dogs function because they have 4 legs. If a dog could speak, it would probably want to have 4 legs. I mean look how fast 4 legged creatures can run! Computers are MUCH less complex then living creatures, yet as long as I live I have never seen or heard an account of a computer spawning into existance. It's not possible!! Evolution is like believing that you computer was found in you backyard, because over millions of years it somehow made itself. Illogical:)
Humans arent the only intelegent creatures on this planet.
chimps, dolphins, elephants and some parrots are self aware and able to achieve advanced planning and strategy better that most juvinllile humans.
two legs arent required for inteilligence.
the idea of evolution was created using logic and science. creationism was created using illogical supersistions of a rather barbaric backwards nomadic desert tribe & has no place in science at all. intelligant design by aliens has more basis in science than creationism. hell scientology and there volcano bombs and Thetans has more of a place in science than christain creationism.
So your saying that your "god" and all knowing because you can disprove god? You see there is LOTS that even the wisest human doesn't know. Infact the wiser a human gets the more he/she realizes that they know nothing. So it is possible for God exist. I see that you have rejected God completely and without God you cannot see the truth. Just like you cannot observe things without light. :(
Ha. I don't believe in your God for I don't have clear evidence of it's existence, and that it sounds quite illogical.
And I agree, there are still many new things for humans to discover from our huge Galaxy, hell from the Universe itself.
Oh, and also: Is it so hard for you to think, that perhaps it's you who has been lied, and is instead living in a lie? That the belief that you've been living in, that there is a loving God, is actually, a lie?
Think about it, then answer to me.
Except God being a lie doesn't fit the evidence that I have. (personally experiences, being the major part, which you cannot prove that it was not God. Yes you could try the chance argument, but like I said, Athiests gods are time and chance.
Edit: I forgot to mention there's a great video on the Christian group, that you should watch. (too bad I deerhunter would not have let it get posted on the science group:( It had everything to do with science, yet it spoke agianst evolution so his closemindness would have had him delete it:( anyways: Moddb.com
See here is the problem, science isnt about what YOU think and desire its about fact knowledge and understanding of how the world works and not magic and fairies andcrap like that. i would love the earth to be 6000yrs old flat and the center of the universe but thats not how it works.so instead i go with fact because that is what you have to unless you want to be delusional.
sure no one can disporve the Christian god, BUT lack of evidence doesnt mean it exists. I also cant prove the tooth fairy doesnt exist but does that mean it does exist, no it doesnt.
I also can prove that any god doesnt exist (Greek, Norse, Egypitian, Aztec, Hindu or any others) yet you would normally claim that yours exists and the others dont.
Excellent points. However a lot of things can be disproven by contradictions, ie, disproving the existence of Santa. Theoretical; how can he get to every single house in one night, unless he controls time. Where does he get the junk(presents) from(china)? And where does his fundig come from. Since most of these cannot be answered without giving santa magic/power/makeing him a god. Then santa probably doesn't exist, but just to be sure take a trip to the north pole. Like you see false stories can be disproven just by lack of background evidence. The bible however has possible events in it. And the consistency is amazing!! Considering the amount of authors that wrote the collection of books which formed the bible. Lastly, there's yet another prophacy which is coming true, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark," (Matthew 24:37, 38 KJV) basically everything is going to be going well, and then Jesus will return.
no, i never said i was god, thats just bull **** and you know it.
and you just showed the problem i have with most of the monotheistic religions, you think you know everything already- "the world was created in six days and no evidence or facts otherwise can sway me because am so convinced that i am right"- normal christain logic
and the other problem i have is that you assue that i am wrong because i dot agree with your narrow minded false logic. "without god you cannot see the truth" actually all you have shown me is that all you see is the ramblings of dirty dumb uneducated backwards mesopatamian tribesmen who thought that rainbows and lighting were magic. thats not "truth" thats just crap.
When I said, "So your saying that your "god" and all knowing because you can disprove god?" I wanted you to think, "maybe God does exist and we just don't know it?" but I see the idea failed. Still the fact remains that you must be god, (all knowing) to disprove God.
Lastly I want to end with, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12 KJV) Jesus nailed it right there. How can you believe heavenly things when you do not believe earthly things?
see i have and never will try to disprove gods, there could be gods out there i don't know...BUT YOU can't know either.
and to argue for one god because its what YOU believe when there are actually millions that are believed in by our billions of people is extremely eogtistical bordering on delusions of grander.
if we take those million deities that are worshiped on earth than the christain god has a one in a million chance of being the correct god. this is why i stick with science, i have a 99.9% chance of being right with science because 1. the evidence is there and 2. i don't have to try and decide on which of the thousands of religions i want to follow when they all claim to be right and all of the same lack of evidence to prove them.and 3. i have never seen magic, all the "miricales" i have seen were nothing more than concidence, science, dumb luck or faked for money and fame.
O, and I know christains love quoting bible verese, make them feel special and high and mighty. but it would work on me.
I have read the bible cover to cover something like 10 times and know what in it. so you dont have to bring it up
if you don't stop i may have to start quoting the koran and the Vedas and mabye the art of war just to show you hw annoying it is.
Okay I won't quote the bible, except when absulutly neccerary and also when talkin with someone entirely different. Also if I had just said, Jesus said this and this, you could have said prove it. That's why I quote it from time to time. Anyways of to why is the God I believe in, the one true God? Well show me one other religion where their god reaches down to humans, (I'm sure you know John 3:16) that is the main reason why I believe God is the one true God. Additionally God promised to preserve his word. And it has been preserved exceptionally well.
almost every religion has gods interacting with man, thats how it works, and all religious books preserve there "word"
Okay, but you didn't even give me an example...I at least mentioned how Jesus died in our place so that we might have life.
You know how many land-animals can outrun an Ostrich? Cheetahs.