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ComradeWinston Author
ComradeWinston Aug 5 2012, 2:31am says:

The group I made a few months ago on the subject of science has now come under siege by creationists. I call upon you, my minions of rationality, reason, and logic. Go forth in the defense of Science!

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(do NOT troll their profiles or groups, I don't want to miss anything ;)

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 5 2012, 3:54am buried:

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And when Einstein was pressenting his ideas and theories, people like you stood in his way.

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Sarge_Rho Online
Sarge_Rho Aug 5 2012, 4:08am replied:

*people like You.

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Admiral-165 Creator
Admiral-165 Aug 5 2012, 4:13am replied:

Galileo Galilei was held accused of Heresy and imprisoned for 9 years until he died for his heliocentric theories. Do you need me to explain the difference between skepticism, and outright ignorance and backwardness?

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 5 2012, 4:50am replied:

The chaotic church did a lot of evil. There are even hypothisis of them being the well know babylon in revelations. They have done a lot of evil, but they were against a lot of what he bible taught, so what they taugh was against what God instucted. They even tried to control the word of God. Aka the bible. They would only read it in Latin and all other translations were burned along with the translators.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Aug 5 2012, 5:32pm replied:

WRONG
Galileo's imprisonment had NOTHING to do with science. In 1630, Galileo wrote a book called "A dialogue concerning the two chief world systems." But in that book her parodied Pope Urban the somethingth (cannot remember, there were a lot of Pope Urbans) as a fool. He got permission to post the book on condition that he presented both sides of the argument apparently, and because his character was representing the church as fools he was mocking them subtly. That is why he was imprisoned.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Aug 5 2012, 4:07am replied:

I really try, I really really try not to lose my humbility when arguing with people like you. You do not read what I am trying to express, you just shape things into your own agenda because it ruptures the barriers of your own logic. How limited people are in this world. Go ahead, defend your atheist-pseudoscience group aganist people who are against the censorship of ideas and reasoning. People who do this really tick me off, especially when it is about science. radical atheists.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 5 2012, 4:47am replied:

The Pharisees tried to stone Jesus for what he said to them, so don't worry too much. Also I understand a lot of the time they don't read the entire comment. That's what's most annoying. The bible foresaw that such people would come in the end days.

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TheTriangulum
TheTriangulum Aug 5 2012, 4:23am replied:

Plus, I seem to have been the ONLY one to post proper scientific articles in that group, everyone else posts these random cartoons or memes that have little to do with science. Go and look, look how much content has been posted by ME. And done go and say "it was pseudoscience" Because I never posted any pseudoscience. Evolution is a pseudo science. Moddb.com and I admit so is creationism By golly if I did not post anything there would only be 3 images on that group.
And if you radical atheists dare to troll my profile prepare to feel the banhammer.

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Readyus
Readyus Aug 5 2012, 5:37am replied:

By the 1928348560 time, evolution IS NOT pseudoscience. It has been proved, there are consistent arguments.
Meh, I think I'll leave the discussion there. I'm just too tired to hear "OMG GOD DID TE WORLD JESUSCHRIST IS OUR SAVIOR LOLOLO"

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Admiral-165 Creator
Admiral-165 Aug 5 2012, 6:14am replied:

@Triangulum Don't worry mate i won't troll your profile, though i did respond to that blog with a 1,442 word essay. It's not trolling if it's all facts is it? I won't diminish what you've done for the group but what you're doing now is incorrect.

I love the hypocrisy with you two as well (you and elf) winston is like the people who tried to stop einstein, but as soon as i even say the church stopped Galileo (i didn't even relate it to you guys, like elf did to Winston) and you have some spasm all over the comments attacking me. 'radical atheist' For what? Pointing out a fact? Its out of character for me, but geh fickt dich, honestly...

Congrats on the double standard, hypocrisy, and just general stupidity.

@DeadBeforeDawn unfortunately i'm a sucker for staying up until 6 am to respond to these comments D:

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 5 2012, 9:15pm says:

I have a twelve page essay somewhere that would be perfect for this debate.
I got sources from i rhink six journals and studies that were used to write it. all I wuld have t do is find it.

or mabye could just go find the studies in the database again.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 9 2012, 3:17am replied:

If you got an 12 page essay then I'd like to read it. I'm not a afraid of an evolutionist's point of veiw. However be prepared for some arguements back, if you know what I mean;)

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Sarge_Rho Online
Sarge_Rho Aug 9 2012, 12:58pm replied:

Stop saying "Evolutionist". It's a deceptive term invented to misslead people into thinking Evolution is a religion - which it is NOT.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 9 2012, 1:46pm replied:

how about you use other terms like scientist, realist, or nondumbassists.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 9 2012, 2:09pm replied:

Read these and tell me what you think:
Blogs.answersingenesis.org
Answersingenesis.org
No matter how you put it evolution is a religion. You cannot prove that evolution happened, all you know from a fossil is that it died. You don't even know if that creature reproduced. So how can you assume something like that? Also evolution cannot prove the big bang, which is needed for the rest evolution to make "sense" and lastly were you there when the big bang happened? Adam at least saw God making stuff:) read genesis chapter 2 where God makes the garden and puts every tree that is good for food and pleasant to the eye. Then he makes everything right infront of Adam.

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Sarge_Rho Online
Sarge_Rho Aug 9 2012, 10:09pm replied:

No matter how you put it, Evolution is not a religion. It's science. It's proven that it happened, and is still happening.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 10 2012, 2:26am replied:

Really? There's new families/kinds of animals forming? I don't think so. Evolution is unprovable. Since nobody was there billions of years ago that recorded any of that stuff happening, while a very good friend of mine was there about 6000 years ago when He made this world, also he documented it very well:) and Adam saw my Friend making the trees and the animals that were in the garden that's why Satan came to Eve and not Adam who had witnessed God's power. God cannot lie since otherwise he would not be perfect therefore he would not be God, so what he said is true is really true!!!

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 9 2012, 1:52pm replied:

having trouble finding it, most of complete papers were on a back up hard drive which was destroyed in a car crash (i got a pic of whats left of my truck on my page).

I think I may have part of said paper in a cloud storage folder but I would have to check.

I do have 7 of 9 pages of an essay on
"Climate during the Mesozoic and its impact on biodiversity"
I wrote it years ago in highschool so its not exactly every good but right now its all i can find thats not pyschology based.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 9 2012, 1:54pm replied:

O, and it doesnt have any of its sources attached to it (because its incomplete) but if you would lie to read it i could send it to you Elf. ;-)

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 9 2012, 2:12pm replied:

If its purpose was to prove evolution then sure send it:) I'm always ready for a fun debate.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 10 2012, 2:29am replied:

no its purpose was to show the effects of climate ans continental shifts on biodiversity during the Mesozoic era. its not on evolution because in the scientific community the theory of evolution is kinda like the theory of gravity its a given & only ignored by delusional people.
I have and never will write a paper to "prove" evolution just as I will never write a paper to prove gravity or that the earth is round, or that it orbits the sun.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 10 2012, 2:29am replied:

no its purpose was to show the effects of climate and continental shifts on biodiversity during the Mesozoic era. its not on evolution because in the scientific community the theory of evolution is kinda like the theory of gravity its a given & only ignored by delusional people.
I have and never will write a paper to "prove" evolution just as I will never write a paper to prove gravity or that the earth is round, or that it orbits the sun.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 10 2012, 2:44am replied:

Sounds like an interesting paper. Well the topic at least.

And how can you believe that evolution is a given fact? I mean it's not possible on the level that evolutionist claim. Sure variations within a kind happen quite often, but that doesn't prove that plants and animals are common.

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Velancious Creator
Velancious Aug 15 2012, 8:14am replied:

You just pretty much admitted to evolution right there. That's ALL it is. Those same small changes and variations ADD up over long periods of time.

For example:

The dominant lizard color in a forest is a green lizard. Now, let's say one is born with a yellowish skin color and carries the genes for the yellowish skin color. At the same time the forest dries up, so it becomes a desert. The yellowish lizard has a much better chance of surviving and thus the yellow lizards get to mate a lot more as they are much more successful in this environment.

That is all evolution is. The process we call this sort of happening is natural selection. The one that survives, carries on the traits. Eventually, an entirely new species of lizard could emerge; all it needs is to mate more and become successful.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 15 2012, 3:32pm replied:

So your gods are time and chance? Think about it, evolution NEEDS time and chance. And really variation within a species is possible, but for one kind of bird to become a land walking four legged creature is so unlikely that God is thousands of times more likely then that.

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Sarge_Rho Online
Sarge_Rho Aug 15 2012, 7:11pm replied:

"but for one kind of bird to become a land walking four legged creature is so unlikely that God is thousands of times more likely then that."

Good thing that hasn't happened yet, and probably won't. Birds evolved from four-legged animals, probably something like archaeopteryx. Why should such a thing happen in the first place? The flightless Cormorant is probably the only thing like that. Two legs are more efficient than four legs, so evolving from 2 to 4 legs is unlikely.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 16 2012, 10:57am replied:

Wait 2 legs are better then 4? Maybe for an INTELEGENT being like humans, but dogs function because they have 4 legs. If a dog could speak, it would probably want to have 4 legs. I mean look how fast 4 legged creatures can run! Computers are MUCH less complex then living creatures, yet as long as I live I have never seen or heard an account of a computer spawning into existance. It's not possible!! Evolution is like believing that you computer was found in you backyard, because over millions of years it somehow made itself. Illogical:)

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 17 2012, 11:44pm replied:

Humans arent the only intelegent creatures on this planet.
chimps, dolphins, elephants and some parrots are self aware and able to achieve advanced planning and strategy better that most juvinllile humans.
two legs arent required for inteilligence.
the idea of evolution was created using logic and science. creationism was created using illogical supersistions of a rather barbaric backwards nomadic desert tribe & has no place in science at all. intelligant design by aliens has more basis in science than creationism. hell scientology and there volcano bombs and Thetans has more of a place in science than christain creationism.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 18 2012, 4:33am replied:

So your saying that your "god" and all knowing because you can disprove god? You see there is LOTS that even the wisest human doesn't know. Infact the wiser a human gets the more he/she realizes that they know nothing. So it is possible for God exist. I see that you have rejected God completely and without God you cannot see the truth. Just like you cannot observe things without light. :(

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DDguy
DDguy Aug 18 2012, 12:05pm replied:

Ha. I don't believe in your God for I don't have clear evidence of it's existence, and that it sounds quite illogical.

And I agree, there are still many new things for humans to discover from our huge Galaxy, hell from the Universe itself.

Oh, and also: Is it so hard for you to think, that perhaps it's you who has been lied, and is instead living in a lie? That the belief that you've been living in, that there is a loving God, is actually, a lie?

Think about it, then answer to me.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 19 2012, 3:17am replied:

Except God being a lie doesn't fit the evidence that I have. (personally experiences, being the major part, which you cannot prove that it was not God. Yes you could try the chance argument, but like I said, Athiests gods are time and chance.
Edit: I forgot to mention there's a great video on the Christian group, that you should watch. (too bad I deerhunter would not have let it get posted on the science group:( It had everything to do with science, yet it spoke agianst evolution so his closemindness would have had him delete it:( anyways: Moddb.com

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 19 2012, 4:54pm replied:

See here is the problem, science isnt about what YOU think and desire its about fact knowledge and understanding of how the world works and not magic and fairies andcrap like that. i would love the earth to be 6000yrs old flat and the center of the universe but thats not how it works.so instead i go with fact because that is what you have to unless you want to be delusional.
sure no one can disporve the Christian god, BUT lack of evidence doesnt mean it exists. I also cant prove the tooth fairy doesnt exist but does that mean it does exist, no it doesnt.
I also can prove that any god doesnt exist (Greek, Norse, Egypitian, Aztec, Hindu or any others) yet you would normally claim that yours exists and the others dont.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 20 2012, 2:23am replied:

Excellent points. However a lot of things can be disproven by contradictions, ie, disproving the existence of Santa. Theoretical; how can he get to every single house in one night, unless he controls time. Where does he get the junk(presents) from(china)? And where does his fundig come from. Since most of these cannot be answered without giving santa magic/power/makeing him a god. Then santa probably doesn't exist, but just to be sure take a trip to the north pole. Like you see false stories can be disproven just by lack of background evidence. The bible however has possible events in it. And the consistency is amazing!! Considering the amount of authors that wrote the collection of books which formed the bible. Lastly, there's yet another prophacy which is coming true, "But as the days of Noe were, so shall also the coming of the Son of man be. For as in the days that were before the flood they were eating and drinking, marrying and giving in marriage, until the day that Noe entered into the ark," (Matthew 24:37, 38 KJV) basically everything is going to be going well, and then Jesus will return.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 19 2012, 4:44pm replied:

no, i never said i was god, thats just bull **** and you know it.
and you just showed the problem i have with most of the monotheistic religions, you think you know everything already- "the world was created in six days and no evidence or facts otherwise can sway me because am so convinced that i am right"- normal christain logic
and the other problem i have is that you assue that i am wrong because i dot agree with your narrow minded false logic. "without god you cannot see the truth" actually all you have shown me is that all you see is the ramblings of dirty dumb uneducated backwards mesopatamian tribesmen who thought that rainbows and lighting were magic. thats not "truth" thats just crap.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 20 2012, 2:10am replied:

When I said, "So your saying that your "god" and all knowing because you can disprove god?" I wanted you to think, "maybe God does exist and we just don't know it?" but I see the idea failed. Still the fact remains that you must be god, (all knowing) to disprove God.
Lastly I want to end with, "If I have told you earthly things, and ye believe not, how shall ye believe, if I tell you of heavenly things?" (John 3:12 KJV) Jesus nailed it right there. How can you believe heavenly things when you do not believe earthly things?

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 20 2012, 1:48pm replied:

see i have and never will try to disprove gods, there could be gods out there i don't know...BUT YOU can't know either.
and to argue for one god because its what YOU believe when there are actually millions that are believed in by our billions of people is extremely eogtistical bordering on delusions of grander.
if we take those million deities that are worshiped on earth than the christain god has a one in a million chance of being the correct god. this is why i stick with science, i have a 99.9% chance of being right with science because 1. the evidence is there and 2. i don't have to try and decide on which of the thousands of religions i want to follow when they all claim to be right and all of the same lack of evidence to prove them.and 3. i have never seen magic, all the "miricales" i have seen were nothing more than concidence, science, dumb luck or faked for money and fame.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 20 2012, 1:54pm replied:

O, and I know christains love quoting bible verese, make them feel special and high and mighty. but it would work on me.
I have read the bible cover to cover something like 10 times and know what in it. so you dont have to bring it up
if you don't stop i may have to start quoting the koran and the Vedas and mabye the art of war just to show you hw annoying it is.

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 20 2012, 10:25pm replied:

Okay I won't quote the bible, except when absulutly neccerary and also when talkin with someone entirely different. Also if I had just said, Jesus said this and this, you could have said prove it. That's why I quote it from time to time. Anyways of to why is the God I believe in, the one true God? Well show me one other religion where their god reaches down to humans, (I'm sure you know John 3:16) that is the main reason why I believe God is the one true God. Additionally God promised to preserve his word. And it has been preserved exceptionally well.

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Cervi_Messias Creator
Cervi_Messias Aug 20 2012, 11:02pm replied:

almost every religion has gods interacting with man, thats how it works, and all religious books preserve there "word"

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ElfFriend
ElfFriend Aug 20 2012, 11:16pm replied:

Okay, but you didn't even give me an example...I at least mentioned how Jesus died in our place so that we might have life.

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Sarge_Rho Online
Sarge_Rho Sep 10 2012, 6:03pm replied:

You know how many land-animals can outrun an Ostrich? Cheetahs.

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The group I made a few months ago on the subject of science has now come under siege by creationists. I call upon you, my minions of rationality, reason, and logic. Go forth in the defense of Science!

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(do NOT troll their profiles or groups, I don't want to miss anything ;)

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