Imperial Remnant Infantry - An Overview image - Rise of the Mandalorians mod for Star Wars: Empire at War: Forces of Corruption
The Empire has fallen and a New Republic is born out of the conflict. But in the ashes of civil war, yet another life stirs...
Imperial Remnant Infantry - An Overview
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The various divisions of the Imperial Stormtrooper Corp and their abilities. This does not comprise all Remnant infantry forces but is the Stormtrooper Corp specifically. Force sensitive units and heroes will be separated.
i would split the storm troopers in some "ranks" like in AoTR, with cannon-fodder-fresh recuits and more expirienced storm troopers which can be quite dangerous
This is basically what the 501st Legion hero unit is for. They were technically dissolved by this time because it was mostly wiped out at Endor and the Remnant didn't have the resources to rebuilt it... But I made an exception so that there was a more elite stromtooper unit to be used.
With their stun ability thought, the basic infantry can actually be quite potent if you use the right combination of units.
The Imperial army regulars would make good canon fodder units.
I don't like cannon fodder units... It promotes spam and not actual strategy. IMHO
That's quite fair.
What about ShadowTroopers from "Jedi Outcast"?
Considered them. Was going to include a later variant of the darktrooper project instead but I'm open to the idea of using Shadow Troopers instead.
Shadow Troopers would be awesome. Their cloaking ability would be interesting for a lightsaber wielder (uncloaking a bunch of them next to a Jedi and gangbanging him).
They would obviously be very durable due to the cortosis armor,but you might be able to do something with the Artusian Crystals they drop when they die to reward killing them. For instance, any unit that picks up the crystal could gain increased health and damage output (or something more creative).
It does seem though like the last of the Shadow Troopers were slain prior to 24ABY when Carnor Jax was defeated.
Obviously I'm not against taking some liberties if it means good gameplay but I don't want to take too many...and the 501st is already a big liberty. I'll consider it.
So, we can expect them in future? I think it was good against new republic jedis.
P.s. and what about Empire's Reborns?
Possibly. The advantage to adding Dark Troopers and opposed to Shadow Troopers is that you can give them unique weapons and stats that a generic infantry couldn't have.
Reborns were part of Desan's faction of the Imperial Remnant, which was wiped out by Kyle Katarn and Jaden Corr. However, since the mod revolves around the Shadow Academy, there will be Dark Jedi available.
Nice new units and models for the imperial corps , considering this is now an old game, great jooob :)
The original scout trooper model wasn't hard to surpass. Lol. It was terrible.
Ah Novatroopers! Good to see them. Although a small suggestion I think the snow trooper variant should have black armour too sort of like how this one Doublesprops.com but with the yellow stripe, this is up to you guys if you want to or not though.
I had them black originally. They stood out and it didn't make much sense... Black armor in a snow environment was kind of foolish to me.
Storm Trooper armor in general doesn't really make sense but I see your point
I love how each one has a snow variant, nice one
Quality over quantity. Always.
Slogan of your mod right? =D
Basically. lol
"They receive minimal training, but are always deployed in large numbers"
This is just wrong in both canon and "legends". Stormtroopers are actually referred as the elite assault troopers in the Imperial Navy. "Imperial cadets were shipped off to Imperial Academies, and subjected to rigorous training programs in order to produce highly trained shock troopers fiercely loyal to the Empire."
Depends on the unit and depends on the source (also depends on whether the given author has a hard on for the Empire or not. It's very subjective). The 501st, for example, were an elite unit that was constantly training. However, especially in the Imperial Remnant, the stormtrooper ranks were kind of a "we will take whatever we can get" scenario. This didn't change until around 40ABY.
I always figured even during the clone wars that the republic and empire's non-clone units quality varied from where they were raised. Like the difference of regiments from Dantooine and Bastion or Cardia could vary wildly with skill and training and the rise of the empire would just have standardized equipment for all imperial forces.
Yes, this is true as well. Just like our own terrestrial militaries. There might be a universal doctrine that governs the, let's say, Army but each battalion or unit or squad is going to have different experience levels and a different way of doing things.
The stormtrooper corps was an elite seperate branch of the imperial military until long after the galactic civil war.
The stormtroopers themselves were often taken as the best recruits from the ranks of the regular imperial army, although some post endor warlords were known to simply take fresh army troopers and put them in the stormtrooper armour.
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I think someone forgot where the phrase "Stormtrooper Aim" came from.
Because movie. Why all the focus towards Stormtroopers when literally every movie has the ineffective henchmen trope?
As someone who doesn't believe in the Army Trooper crap my headcanon is that [Galactic Empire] Stormtroopers are given good to great training then it's all experience after that.
They are given what would equate to "basic training" in our own military and then thrust into active duty. The "hardcore" stormtrooper units are forged in battle and have years of experience. They aren't put to the front lines already veterans. Not even the Galactic Empire has an entire legion of Spetsnaz that it can just throw away and rebuild instantly... Just as with TIE Fighters, they are fielded with a quantity over quality paradigm and are considered expendable.
Now, this mentality changed a bit in the Imperial Remnant because it didn't have nearly the resources that the Empire had...but then they also faced the harsh reality that most of their veterans were dead... So they made do with whatever and whoever they had.
The stormtrooper corps was separate from the imperial army and navy, although they did operate similarly to real life marines. Elite troops that would create beachheads for the army.
The Marines serve a function but they are not elite. Certain divisions of the Marine Corp are elite, just like you have Green Berets for the Army and the Seals for the Navy. The Corp as a whole though is no more elite than any other...they just have a specific function.
Weren't the most common troops imperial army troopers ?
Anyway i love that troops in the same unit have diffrent weapon loadouts.
I'm glad you like it and yes, some author at some point decided that this was to be the case. That author is full of crap. I agree with what Sly said above. Army troopers did not even exist in Lucas canon at all...the basic Imperial infantry was stormtroopers. The aforementioned author just conjured up Army Troopers because he had this romantic vision of all stormtroopers being SuperSoldiers and so he needed a "weaker" Imperial infantry so that he could make his dreams come true.
I actually like the idea of the stormtrooper not being the basic infantry. Maybe for offense, but i find it much more believable that the ''army trooper'' is the soldier that garrisons those thousands of planets.
But to each their own, i don't think an army trooper has a place in the game so it doesn't matter :)
The one exception where I was going to add army troopers is the little guys that spawn when a building is destroyed. I figured that would be an appropriate place since they are technically acting as the base garrison at that point.
Yeah that's an idea that popped up in my head aswell. But i'm too much of a modding scrub to do anything with new models or even make then.
They are called "stormtroopers" for a reason after all.
I didnt like the imperial army at first but the idea grew on me and honestly now I cant imagine a star wars universe without them. It just makes perfect sense to me that they would exist and I wish they were expanded on and not just mentioned in a few books.
I would definitely read a 40k imperial guard style novel about the experiences of a regular army trooper.
Yes but then that's like comparing stormtroopers to Space Marines... and a 40k Space Marine is literally, in every sense, a walking tank. Stormtroopers are certainly not that.
And you've really got to remember that this is post-Endor. I don't really care too much what the Wiki says. I don't always get the lore right but I have an entire shelf of books that take place just after to a decade or so after Endor and each of them talks about how the Remnant was scraping by, barely able to keep it's military active because they had no funds or people to fight in it.
The term stormtrooper could mean anything anyway. Look at Nazi Stormtroopers (or Storm Detachment). They weren't even formally part of the military but a paramilitary unit like the police. They didn't get a lot of training or special equipment and they weren't on the front lines. Their main objective was to disrupt political opposition and suppress dissent by any means. They could be more accurately described as Nazi thugs than soldiers.
Yeah the post endor thing makes it make complete sense. With the Empire at it's height i kinda see the main imperial ground forces as the Wehrmacht, with the Stormtroopers being the Waffen SS (since we're doing third reich comparisons). As you said both are seperate branches entirely.
Anyway it makes sense for the mod and looks incredible so i can live with it :P
Well the SS was basically the successor to the Stormtrooper Detachment so that does make sense.
As a German I have to jump in here now, you got a few things quite wrong.^^
The historical Stormtroopers were special units of the Imperial German Army formed in the later years of WW I which had better training and equipment than the regular troops and specialized in raids and assaults on the enemy trenches also utilizing what were at the time very unconventional tactics.
They were the inspiration for the SW-Stormtroopers and had no connection whatsoever to the Nazi party, they didn't even exist at the same time.
The Nazi thugs you might be thnking of are the Sturmabteilung (SA), which was the paramilitary wing of the Nazi party. They also were pretty much the predecessors to the Schutzstaffel (SS), which also was formed into elite active combat units in WW II. Both of these however have nothing to do with the Stormtroopers (both the historical and SW ones).
Yep I am confusing the Storm Detachment with the Stormtroopers.
With the history cleared up then, let's continue on this analogy for the Imperial Stormtroopers. If the successor to the Storm Detachment was the Waffen SS, we can still use this to describe SW Stormtroopers the same way. Even the SS, by the end of the war, was allowing non-Aryan individuals and conscripts to join its ranks, many of them foreign (a stark contrast the the Germanic-only principals of its founding).
Now, the WW1 Stormtroopers that you have correctly spoken of here were indeed specialized troops with (for their time) advanced training. They developed tactics that would change the face of war in response to the machine guns and advancements in artillery (which were making the old ways of infantry combat obsolete).
My personal opinion on all this would be Clone Wars = WW1. Therefore, Clone Troopers = German Stormtroopers. GCW = WW2, therefore Imp Stormtroopers = Waffen SS. You go from elite soldiers, that evolve into an elite branch of the military, that devolve to conscripts and foreign soldiers in desperation at the end of the war.
It's a bit of a weird analogy, but I guess it works. XD
How so? I'm not asking that argumentatively I'm just genuinely curious what your point of view is.
Well, the Clone Troopers were forming the entire GAR, which supposedly was an elite army in of itself (because genetically engineered Clones > random humans), while the German Stormtroopers were just a special unit and not that common and as I said had nothing to do with the later SA and SS.
I guess there must have been also quite substantial Republic forces aside from the Clones since 3 million are laughably few for a galactic-wide war (hell, there died more people in WW I than that), but that's another story entirely. XD
I don't think there any good real-world analogies as far as the creation of Stormtroopers from Clone Troopers goes, but for the state of things during the GCW I always liked the analogy of the Stormtrooper Corps being a separate branch like the USMC, but even that comparison doesn't hold up that well I think. On average the Stormies have quite better equipment and training than the basic army units, but generally lack any heavy armored units.
In-universe I think the Stormtroopers and Imperial Army were just created with very different goals in mind. The Stormtroopers evolved from the Clone Troopers and are due to their more elite nature the go-to infantry force for any offensive actions and are also used to guard more important places and individuals. They're forming the Empire's heavy infantry and some even more specialized units like recon and spec ops.
In this context it also makes sense that we pretty much only see stormtroopers as the Empire soldiers in the movies, because they're always either accompaying someone important (Darth Vader) or guarding some important place (Death Star).
The Imperial Army on the other hand I assume to have been formed of the remains of the local forces of the systems loyal to the Republic, which were then standardized in terms of structure and equipment and put under central Imperial command as well. On average their training and equipment is slightly worse, but this would vary more wildly than in the Stormtrooper Corps. These guys are primarily there to garrison every other place that the Stormtroopers simply can't or bolster their ranks (I envision the average imperial garrison to have a few units of Stormtroopers, maybe 10-25% of their infantry force, for important operations, while the rest are formed of army units), keep the peace and deal with local threats such as pirates. As such, their function is primarily defensive, however their infantry could also be used in an offensive manner if the need arises and there are no Stormtrooper units available. It's just preferable to have Stormies doing it. Additionally, they would provide pretty much the entirety of the support units for Stormtrooper operations as well, because the Stormtrooper Corps lacks armored units, artillery, combat engineers, pioneers and logistic forces.
So the Army is forming the Empire's light infantry and basically everything else that the Stormtroopers don't.
Now that I think about it, the best comparison would be the Imperial Roman Legions. The Legions are akin to the Stormtroopers, they are heavy infantry formed only of Roman citizens , with pretty good training and equipment and are the go-to force for any offensive action, however they are ONLY composed of heavy infantry.
The Army are akin to the Roman Auxilia, which had generally slightly worse equipment and training than the Legions and were more light infantry, but also had archers, cavalry and other support units the Legions lacked. As such, any Legion was always supported by Auxiliary units, but the Auxilia were also very capable of operating alone and did so quite regularly. They also were propably at least as numerous as the Legions, since they were formed of all free inhabitants of the Roman Empire that weren't Roman citizens (they could achieve citizen status after 25 years of service if I recall correctly).
They propably saw the same amount of action as the Legions, if not more, but nowadays everyone only remembers the Roman Legionnaires. So I think this analogy is the best we can get. XD
The Legion is a very good example actually and is probably a closer comparison than trying to hyper-analyze the German military throughout the early 20th century.
That said, Stormtroopers will still be the base infantry in the mod just because they are almost always represented that way in the lore, elite or not. However, I appreciate the conversation here. Thanks for the wall of text. lol :)
You're welcome. XD
Fair points, but what the space marines have in brute strength and tankieness they lack in numbers. The stormtrooper corps has a lot of numbers.
The space marines would send a few tactical squads and vehicles to do a job that the stormtrooper corps would be able to send an entire legion to do.
That's part of my point though. No military has entire legions of super-soldiers or combat veterans. By definition this is just impossible. Storm Troopers are a different division of the military but they are not elite innately.
Very good!
Thanks!