Toss up #3 who would win? Thread - Red Alert 3 Paradox mod for C&C: Red Alert 3

Explain who would win in:

-A skirmish battle
-An all out war

The EP, in both because the Confederates are ill equip to deal with huge numbers of enemies and would easily be over-ran. Added that to the fact that huge numbers are great for rooting out insurgents... And you have a recipe for victory.

Edited by: Blood-Russia-Mk2

^^See above^^

confeds are guerillas. most of their support comes from civilians, and most of them are civilians, that's why it's almost impossible for the allies to go search for them. But the EP just kills everybody, guerilla problem solved.

This is getting onesided.

the confederates are not to be underestimated they may be guerrillas but they are very smart they most likely setup hundreds of traps & ambushes grinding down the EP's advance to a halt

Traps dont ready work when your replacing soldiers at there speed.
Anyway wait for gaglus to get here he will prove all wrong anyway

well, atm it have only been about the big picture. But ingame, the M100 will kill hundreds of EP units with each shell! My dibs on the confeds!

In the strategic situation, the EP stands a good or better chance of eliminating the Confederates. their only chance of survival is PAWI'd strongholds.

In the tactical situation, Confederate traps, fast expansion, ability to get massive AOE units pretty much instantly, stealth focus, and powerful navy will beat the EP down. the EP will need to challenge the Confeds for every expansion, and maintain momentum despite lots of AOE units(Cruiser, M100, remote car bomb, mortar man, skyfortress, tanks running things over) and surgical strikes against heavy units(Bulldog, Hawker, Longbow, Frigate, Sniper, Tunnel Rat) and that's not to mention their charge being interrupted by the Sidewinder.

In a skirmish I'd give the Confeds near-certain or better against the EP.

Out ecoing the Protectorate is another vital part. Remember the EP expand by base creeping, while the rebs have versatile dozers. Add to the equation that if the expansion is on water, only a naval unit could get it, and they have a fairly good chance.

EP doesnt need $. They can recycle their units... Plus EP has submarines... aka a deadly navy.

Edited by: go123452

Again, it depends on the commanders, but in a short-term game I'd put money on the Confeds. As long as the game doesn't go too long, the Confeds, with their early powerful units, will destroy EP momentum. Especially the Sidewinder (as pointed out above) will rip apart massive amounts of Aggressors. 1 Sidewinder > 100 Aggressors. Add in the Confed mobility and the EP will be just be blundering around trying to kill stuff frantically and getting decimated in ambushes and traps.

However, if the EP manages to survive long enough to get to higher-tier (and thus more durable) stuff, the Confeds will be crushed underneath the masses of Obliterators and super-units, instantly produced.

Thinking strategically, the EP would probably crush most Confederate bases, with only the properly PAWI'd ones and the very well-defended bases surviving. Eventually humanity will be crushed by the tyranny of numbers though. Resistance is futile!

In lore terms?

Annoying tricks and traps aren't going to discourage an omnicidal infinite swarm of cosmic horror-wielding, inconvenienced-by-death robots.

Unless the Confeds could find, fight their way in, and completely annihilate the Core Mind Collective, then guarantee there are no copies, duplicates or backups the Protectorate would keep attacking, FOREVER.

In gameplay terms?

EP FTW.

go123452 wrote: EP doesnt need $. They can recycle their units... Plus EP has submarines... aka a deadly navy.

Yes, but you do need the $ to build a bunch of lees, sidewinders, and minutemen.

Edited by: Protroid

EP would just stomp them with a Aggressor rush.

Blood-Russia-Mk2 wrote: EP would just stomp them with a Aggressor rush.

One bullet per Agressor.

40 aggressors per bullet.

Protroid wrote:

Blood-Russia-Mk2 wrote: EP would just stomp them with a Aggressor rush.

One bullet per Agressor.

agressors are hard to hit when you are scared so at least 2 bullets.

Problem for the EP is that they have no way of quickly transporting 1000+ units over an ocean so before they can rush and swarm in America. They need to setup a base from nothing with few defendses while the confeds already have an army so the confeds would obviously win.

though EP units can walk on the bottom of the sea >:D

Plus they have a gazillion submarines and instant build transports.

GriffinZ wrote: though EP units can walk on the bottom of the sea >:D

Good one, dindnt think of that.

go123452 wrote: Plus they have a gazillion submarines and instant build transports.

Would a russian fleet be able to infiltrate america? I think not. so why would a EP one? Boats and Planes (and UFO's) is something the USA can handle because you cant extremely swarm them.

*Points at Japanese taking over Los Angeles*

The Rising Sun were bottled in before they even won the battle, so it was a strategic defeat. Besides that, Los Angeles is one city in a huge, roughly terrained country.