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In this update, we show you the new design for Bolg and the new concept for the three trolls Tom, Bill and Bert.

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The Road to Edain 4.0: Of Trolls and Army Commanders



Greetings, companions of Edain!

Today, we would like to present you a short update concerning two heroes of the faction of the Misty Mountains in 4.0. One of these heroes is Bolg, being a well discussed topic in the community for some time and causing much speculations. Also we might see the reworked concept for the three trolls Tom, Bert and Bill. The latter has needed much time for the conception phase as well as for the implementation, which you might see below.

OF TROLLS AND ARMY COMMANDERS


We like to start with Bolg, the son of Azog, who caused us many problems at the beginning. In Peter Jacksons movie of the Hobbit, Azog, the Defiler, has Bolg's role as the commander of the armies of the Misty Mountains. So, Bolg's first appearance is in the second movie The Desolation of Smaug, being a hunter and continuing Azog's role of An unexpected Journey.

The tasks and the role of Bolg in the movie are in a contrast to those of Tolkien's lore. There, Azog, the father of Bolg, is slain by Dain at the battle of Azanulbizar, at the east gate of Khazad-Dûm. Many years later, after the Great Goblin has been killed by Thorin and Company, Bolg unites the orc hordes of the Misty Mountains under his banner. Bolg leads this army to the Battle of the Five armies at the lonely mountain. In Edain, we have already tried to represent these facts and we will hold onto these. Nevertheless, the movie showed us new design and gave us the possibility to use them. In an older update, we already explained the reasons for adoppting the desing as well as the character specific abilities of The Defiler from the movie.
As a reminder, here is a quote of the update:

Update wrote: An Unexpected Journey presented a challenge to us by introducing Azog as an antagonist. We always strive to bridge the book and movie versions of story and unite the best of both worlds. Azog was an obvious pick for a new Misty Mountain hero, especially since that faction could really use more heroes with movie flair and charisma. And we knew that many players were looking forward to playing him in Edain. Others, however, raised valid concerns: Azog was a clear violation of the lore and had actually been long dead at the time of the Hobbit.
We found a simple compromise solution when we realized that our other two Orc heroes, the Great Goblin and the Moria Chieftain, both had no names and went only by their titles. We decided to use the design and abilities of the Gundabad Orc leader from the movies, but only use his title, 'The Defiler'. As a nameless leader of the Gundabad Warg Riders, he was a valid hero without
contradicting the lore outright.


After we found a plausible way to include The Defiler, being not the Azog from the books and thus not sharing his name, next we tried to find a fitting a solution for Bolg, because of his different roles in the books and in the movie. Even if we always try to find a compromise between the books and the films, in this case it was clear that we preferred a lore wise interpretation. So, Bolg's new concept was developed, as the Army Commander of the Misty Mountains. Afterwards, we look for a design, fitting the reputation and the behaviour of a great orc commander. This included great authority, brutality, strict discipline and the delight of battles. For this reason, the Bolg shown in The Desolation of Smaug was not fitting for our proposes, representing none of these characteristics. We made the decision to use another design. The one published some month ago and already then in the prolog of An unexpected Journey.
This design was originally meant for Azog, and played by the actor Conan Stevens, but was replaced in the final version of the movies. Nonetheless, we like this interpretation and in our opinion it is a fitting design for Bolg as an orc leader. So, Bolgs design is based on it, still we made some interpretations of our own, adapting it for our Bolg. The result can be seen in the render below:

To remind you of Bolg's ability set, here is a brief summary of it. Further explanations can be found in the already presented update:

- Level 1 (passive) "Banners of the Mountains": The iron fist of Bolg disciplines the wild hordes. Allows every horde to buy Banners.

- Level 3: "Unbound Wrath": Bolg and all Banner Carriers in a large radius temporary deal damage in an area and knock down enemies.

- Level 5: "Creatures of the Night": Bats will swarm above Bolg for 60 seconds, increasing his range of vision, revealing invisible units, and weakening nearby enemies.

- Level 7: "Take Formation!": Discipline is beaten into the warriors. All Orc hordes form ordered battallions, gaining +25% Defense.

- Level 10: "Uruk Bodyguards": Bolg calls his huge Bodyguards to the battlefield, to surround and protect him.

Afterwards, we would like to present our new conception for the three trolls Tom, Bert and Bill. These were already integrated in the mod some versions ago, but their horde-system caused many bugs and errors, so we had to replace it. Furthermore, we decided to create a hero for the Misty Mountains, which is strong against huge amounts of weak enemies. So, it was necessary to give the trolls a real level system, which does neither cause bugs nor being a complex hack. Our first idea was to implement a companion-system, but this was too a bit to buggy, so we needed another solution, a concept being unique, easy and good playable. Also, it was important to represent the humorous character of the trolls, known from the books and the movies.

For version 4.0 it was important that all heroes are allowed in normal Multiplayer games as well as that each hero has a unique concept. Probably, we won't be successful in all heroes, but we will at least try to.
With Tom, Bill and Bert, we were successful, in our opinion. They can be controlled single or together, due to the preferences of the players. Depending on the Stances-Button, which is always at position 1 of the hero Palantir, the player gets one of the three. Each one of them has a different role, one for aggressive, one for normal and for defensive playing. Also, the player is able to play all the three at a higher level. Depending on the selected stance, the two missing trolls can be temporary summoned and are also affected by the abilities.
A more detailed version of the concept is below, including all the ability descriptions and a video.

Abilities

- Level 1: Throw Rocks
The standard switch between melee and ranged mode, which should not be missing.

- Level 2: Squash them into jelly - Tom, Bert and Bill throw themselves on their enemies to squash them into jelly
This ability can be better seen in the video. The trolls throw themselves on their enemies and knock them over. The ability is stronger if all the three trolls are on the battlefield.

- Level 5: Jelly pot - Tom, Bert and Bill set up their jelly pot. Allies in the area are permanently healed.
Of course, we had to integrate their iconic Pot, too. This ability has a supportive character and mainly helps the trolls to survive longer on the battlefield.

- Level 7: Troll Lair – The three robbers summon a Troll Lair, which they defend with their lives. They get +300% armour in the area of the Troll Lair. You can summon a maximum of one Troll Lair
The Troll Lair makes the three robbers much stronger, so it will be wise for enemies to attack the lair first, before fighting Tom, Bert and Bill. The ability is stronger, too, if all the three trolls are on the battlefield, because three trolls with triple armour are stronger than one troll.

- Level 10: The three Trolls – The seleceted troll summons his two companions on the battlefield for a short time.
This ability allows the selected troll to call in the others. Used with much skill, this ability can increase the effect of the other abilities.

Finally, in this video you can see the new system of Tom, Bill and Bert:

In our opinion, this concept is quite interesting to play and represents the character of the three robbers quite good. We hope that you enjoyed this preview and would like to read your opinion and feedback in the comment section!

Your Edain Team

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TheLastSilmaril
TheLastSilmaril

I'm overjoyed to see Actor form Bolg :) Thanks guys made my day. Im going to be so happy when this comes out. Nice to see the trolls updated too!

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TheLastSilmaril
TheLastSilmaril

It says the video isnt available in my country though :(

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RadagastTheFool
RadagastTheFool

Your Bolg is fantastic! Its pity they didnt keep this model in DoS. Now this is Bolg that can keep his own against that lore abomination Defiler.

Just asking from mod members; when listened video I heard german voices for trolls, are you going to use english audio for heroes? As I recall that somebody did send files to you (Including those trolls) :)

Happy easter!

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FG15 Author
FG15

The video was made with the German version, because it would be too much work to do every video twice. Thus also the descriptions in the video are German ;)
Yes, I remember the "somebody" :D

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RadagastTheFool
RadagastTheFool

Yay! You Edain Team are the best!

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Kark-Jocke
Kark-Jocke

I really like how you develop the game and with many new heroes, and improved quality of everything in the game. But I wonder if this mod get English language in the game?

I'm going to play the mod whether it is in English or not, but I find that I get better experience when the game is on the original language: which is the English language and not German language.

It is a bit tricky and figure out what to do about all when the text is in German. It is a language I'm not any good at...

I wish you good luck with your mod and keep up the great work!

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FG15 Author
FG15

Edain 4.0 will be in English.

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magiguy101
magiguy101

Does this include voice acting? If not then that is absolutely fine :)

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Labria
Labria

Nice updated, new Bolg model is amazing. But Bolg from DoS deserves at least a minor role.

I had an idea for a new spell with Bolg from DoS which would replace the Wyrm:
Support from Dol Guldur:
Summons Bolg from DoS (with name Son of Defiler) and elite hunter orcs with switch between a sword and bow or armored orcs from Dol Guldur.

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Adrigabbro
Adrigabbro

Absolutely love this idea, team please ! <3 <3 <3

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nelsonmax
nelsonmax

Amazing work, congratulations
Anxious to be able to play xD
continue like

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saruman_the_wise
saruman_the_wise

Bolg is Fantastic although I do think that once at level 10 the other to trolls should be summoned permanently

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NicolajLarsen
NicolajLarsen

I agree, fair enough you don't start with all 3 trolls, but I think you should be able to control all of them at level 10

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saruman_the_wise
saruman_the_wise

agreed

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hoho96
hoho96

I think they've said that they tried to make the three playable but it was too buggy :/

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saruman_the_wise
saruman_the_wise

as a horde or companion system but not as individual activated by a summon

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hoho96
hoho96

I also love to play them all, but is it fitting that a power summon permanent heroes?
and what's the point of Troll heroes without any power but to throw rocks? can't some cheaper normal Trolls do the same job?

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saruman_the_wise
saruman_the_wise

are you even listening it would act in the exact same way as they made it they would share the powers as seen in the vid but instead of dying after a few minutes they would be permanent

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GottaHaveIt
GottaHaveIt

If Bolg is the leader of the goblin faction... Why doesn't he have any leadership...?

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FG15 Author
FG15

He has two leaderships, which are extremly strong.

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Reichtangle
Reichtangle

which would be those

- Level 1 (passive) "Banners of the Mountains": The iron fist of Bolg disciplines the wild hordes. Allows every horde to buy Banners.

- Level 7: "Take Formation!": Discipline is beaten into the warriors. All Orc hordes form ordered battallions, gaining +25% Defense.

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hoho96
hoho96

About the second one "Take Formation", is it really worthy to be a lvl7 leadership!?
most other heroes of the same roll have their leaderships at lvl3~5 and most of them give Defense and also Offence buff, so for Bolg a lvl7 leadership with just buffing the Defense?!

Why not adding also an exp or an offence buff?

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FG15 Author
FG15

"All Orc hordes " that means really all orc hordes everywhere on the map. Both leaderships are global, which makes them so strong.

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hoho96
hoho96

Oh thnx now I see, it's a global leadership (that's awesome) :P

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Glemli
Glemli

Hey Edain Team,
I would like to ask something and I hope you can give an answer. If a finished Edain 4.0 equals a 100%... Then how much % have you already done, more or less?
Just very very very anxious for the game ^^

Thanks!

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FG15 Author
FG15

We can't and won't give an answer to this question, for some reasons. Firstly, if once 10% needed a specific time, it is not necessary that the next 10% will be as fast as that. So an answer would not help you. Also, their could always be some extra work, which is not planned or some bugs might appear. And for the reason that this is just a hobby we can't do the modding completly regular, so we might work in one week twice as much as in an other week.

But you can get an idea of how much we have finished, when you look at the updates and look how much we have announced yet and how much is propably still missing.

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Susia
Susia

I really love this mod but to be honest, I really hate this model for Bolg
I'd much prefer the film model

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Guest
Guest

Hello,

Out of the faction news updates. Is it just mordor gondor and lorien left? Or will imaldris and possibly others still have further updates?

Thanks! ^^
edainfan

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FG15 Author
FG15

Of course, there will be updates to the left factions and maybe some to the already updated factions. There is always something which has not been shown, like in this update Bolg and the trolls.

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Oversun
Oversun

Good day, dear.
Do I understand correctly that the trolls will be the heroes of the faction "Misty Mountains" for subfractions "Goblins"?
Not express in words how delighted and admiration I'm waiting for the 4.0 version of your mod. I understand that this work is not easy (especially since it's just a hobby), but I have a question about the new factions. In your plans include faction Mirkwood, Rune, Harad and Dale? Maybe not in version 4.0? Thanks for everything.

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FG15 Author
FG15

There won't be a new faction in 4.0, because we made nearly 9 completly new factions. ;) Which will be the 2 left new factions we can implement, won't be said. That will stay a mistery until it is public anounced.

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SkaarjX
SkaarjX

Speaking of new factions after Edain 4.0

I don't know if you already have plans for them, or if you want ideas or not, but I have some ideas for two of the factions I'd love to see sometime after edain 4.0 perhaps for edain 5.0 if you guys are keen to continue after 4.0 :P

These factions would be Hobbiton(Or 'The Shire'), and Harad (Or 'Men of the East'). Both with some hopefully fitting minor ally ideas as well.

I have some fairly detailed ideas of possible units, buildings, and basic designs of these factions, including how the camps/castles might look. And even some ideas for faction heroes. All of which I tried to keep strictly within movie/book lore.

Would you like me to send them to you somehow? Maybe to just help you with your own ideas even? I would post them here, but it would be over the 2000 character limit by a long way :P

Cheers!
SkaarjX

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Guest
Guest

I really don't think there would be enough in a Shire (and especially Hobbiton) army to be balanced with any of the other forces. :) They work well as a part of factions, like Arnor, but there just isn't enough in the Shire to make an army.

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KingdomofErebor
KingdomofErebor

Loving the squash 'em into jelly power, such a great idea XD

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AyşeGül
AyşeGül

Hi, well when we are waiting for a long time out of the mod.

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AyşeGül
AyşeGül

Vay be harika bir mod gundabad ırkındanmı bu bolg

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AyşeGül
AyşeGül

Whoa, didn't take a dime this year is 2 years mod

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Majesty12
Majesty12

Summoning Grond needed. add please. hangi ırkta acaba?

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hjluallen
hjluallen

Please release a beta version already it's been over a year with out a new version. I know it's a big step to take but please release a beta version in the next couple of weeks. I would love to send feedback and make suggestions for you guys over at the Edain team but I can't do that because I am not part of the team. But what I can do is tell you what's wrong and I am sure many other would love to make suggestions and give feedback to. Thanks for you time and hopefully you consider it. :)

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currandog
currandog

when is 4.0 coming out

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Guest
Guest

I was wondering if this mod is dead or alive? It looks awesome

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sisak99
sisak99

Man... it's totally alive. For next time look at the news. New version (4.0) is still in development (yep, for a long time, but also looks awesome). ;)

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Guest
Guest

why dont u make the troll change to the different ones as it lvs up and the final highest lv troll forms last ability can summon the other two for a short time

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hoho96
hoho96

That sucks^^

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Gnomi Creator
Gnomi

Well, that way there would be a clear difference in the strenghtes - we don't really like that and there are fans of all three different trolls - they would always be dissapointed if they loose their troll because he levels up. :S

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