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Timeline Composition Graphs
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Graphs viewing the composition of the clone wars timeline. Books, Comics, Video Games, and Television Series' are accounted for.
Sources
Star Wars: New Essential Guide to Chronology
Star Wars: New Essential Guide to Characters
Star Wars: The Essential Guide to Warfare
One of Leeland Chee's Blogs
Old Databank Entries (i screen capped a few databank pages before they replaced it on star wars.com)
Wookieepedia (only as a secondary source NEVER use wookieepedia as a primary source)
Republic Heroes happened within TCW series around the Battle of Ryloth in the show so I suppose it goes between 22 and 21 BBY. Republic Commando happens in three exactly different years. Overall I say this is a good timeline. Also, some of the old timeline could fit in here. The RC could fit alongside TCW and so is SWGB.
In the OLD timeline Republic commando spans 3 years, however your favorite show TCW came along and ruined that, so Leeland Chee had to squish a game that takes place 3 different years into a couple of weeks. what Leeland Chee did was take EVERYTHING that happens before 19BBY and squishes it into 2 months. does it make sense ABSOLUTELY NOT. you can thank your show for raping republic commando
Leeland Chee, why wouldn't he be smart enough to say "happening concurrent to TCW".
i dont know but that's what he said on one of his blogs.
this timeline is just a giant clusterfuck. i see no reason why they couldn't have given it an alternate timeline
Once again you are wrong. Everything is not being squished. Events that CAN NOT exist with in the change will be squished. Primarily any battle where Anakin is a Padawan. RC has ABSOLUTELY no conflict in this timeline and IS NOT being squished to fit. Stop spreading lies!
That's what I thought in the first place.
well the man has his sources, are you so sure hes lying?
Lying or not doesn't matter as long as he is closed minded to the new show and keep criticizing it even didn't follow it.
perhaps it is you 2 who are the ones that are closed minded to the old timeline?
the way i see it, both you, ozzy and delta are in the wrong. from what i see, deltas closed minded to the new and your closed minded to the old.
I admit I never follow the old timeline because the mini series and the comics never reach my country. What I can do to follow it is just wookiepedia which is sometimes unreliable. I always open to the old timeline and always thinks that it can still go along with the new one. I have been digging some information for my own form of time line and is happy with it. Delta has his version of time line and is happy with it. Every body have their own path to follow.
well then here, enlighten yourself:
(it should be the entire playlist)
Point me to where I have ever spoken bad of old sources. I am a fan of ALL clone wars era material and have spoken against the show when they have change things from the comics
fool! this link was in response to starkiller.
and I did watch the show. up till mid season 5 because I just couldn't bear it anymore.
I understand you. I specially hate the Droids arc. Just skip to Eminence and you'll do fine. And thanks for the link.
your welcome
If you watch the entire miniseries, ill watch the rest of season 5
Just finish Volume one Cast 1, amazing animation indeed. The only thing I don't like it is too much one man army shown and using the Geonosian Fighter in space. Overall, better than many TCW arcs.
well the geonosian fighters they're using are cortisey of the geonosians. you have to remember that the confederacy is a brand new government at this point in time and doesnt start out with an organized navy like you see in TCW. eventually as you watch more of the series youll start to see vultures and tri-fighters and a more unified separatist navy.
on the contrary, im spreading truth. from what i read on Leeland Chee's blog, it seems pretty consistent. everything you fight for is everything that is soulless and wrong with the franchise.
proof? where is it?
I have been reading his blogs and he does not say anything about squishing all clone wars material, in fact he has not mentioned other sources in his blogs yet. He has only laid out the shows episodes in chronological order so far. No mention of retcons with other materials yet.
i swear to god he said it. if i could find the lonk again id school your ***
Well let me share the only reference which is even close to your misinformation
"All of these episodes take place early on during the Clone Wars, mere months following the Battle of Geonosis seen in Star Wars: Episode II – Attack of the Clones. Many of the dates and events on previously existing EU Clone Wars timelines have been condensed into this period before the events of “Cat and Mouse.” "
What this means is YES some events will be condensed (ex: The 2004 microseries episodes that are before Anakin is knighted) This in NO WAY relates to material that is not contradicted.
Maybe you should fix your timeline
mere months, a couple months same difference. my assumption of 2 months isnt all that inaccurate.
lets gather round everyone and do some basic math here. first thing you must take into account is that The Battle of Geonosis happens in the last few months of 22BBY. if cat and mouse takes place "mere months" after the battle of geonosis, does that make my assumption of 2 months all that innaccurate?
if you really want me to edit the graph ill add an extra month to the "condensed material" everything else seem pretty accurate to what mr. chee explained
Okay. Put the brakes on! Again, you are not understanding the point. So lets back up here.
The point has NOTHING to do with length of time.
The point is they ARE NOT SQUISHING ALL PREVIOUS clone wars novelization in to the short time frame. Republic Commando WILL NOT BE AFFECTED. ANY Dark Horse comic not having to do with Anakin as a padawan will be unaffected. Books like Jedi Trial and Labyrinth of Evil will be unaffected. That is why you chart is inaccurate.
"Many of the dates and events on previously existing EU Clone Wars timelines have been condensed into this period before the events of “Cat and Mouse.”
he doesnt specify WHICH dates are condenced, so am i so wrong to assume that sources like Republic commando are victims of this heinous condensing? the way TCW has been acting lately (which is with complete disregard to previously established canon) would it surprise you if they did?
Wrong to assume they might. No.
Wrong to claim it as fact and that it has already happened. Yes.
If they moved every event including ones that do not conflict I will be ****** off too but that has not happened nor have they said it will.
You should really stop with the previously established canon line. That is how star wars and EU work and have worked since A New Hope. 2004 to 2008 was not the original story of the clone wars and it will not be the final story.
on the contrary, never did i claim that it was a fact. made this graph using the information provided to me by the sources i found.
i didnt say "i can only present you with the facts" i said "i can only present you with the information"
is it the wrong information, absolutely not, leeland chee's words regarding previous works were somewhat vague.
i will fight this for as long as the franchise survives. im not going to sit back while they throw years of canon out the window and replace all that was awesome with all that is childish
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are you ******* listening to me? IT IS NOT Propaganda YOU CALL EVERYTHING PROPAGANDA.
all the information you see in these graphs are not altered or tampered with.
your like ******* McCarthy but instead of calling everyone a communist you call everything on this group page propaganda.
Disinformation. You portrayed your Assumptions as fact and you were wrong. be a man and just say I made a mistake.
again, if somone els had posted these exact same graphs you would not be saying this
and if anyone else corrected your small inaccuracy their would not be pages of arguments and melt downs. Their would be a simple "I thought they said all sources would be condensed, Thanks for the info".
condensed and squished have similar meanings.
lets gather round for an English lesson everyone. synonyms for the word Condensed: abridge, foreshorten, abbreviate, shorten, cut, contract, reduce, squished.
you've previously stated English was not your best subject in highschool but surely you've grasped the simple concept of synonyms?
and if you didn't play the propaganda card as you always do when you get yourself in tight situations, i would not have had to release the retaliatory images. i made them months ago just waiting for you to use that word
You claim to be spreading information and if it was factual information or you properly labeled it as a possibility or an assumption I would never even respond to ridiculous post as you desperately try to bottle up 2004 - 2008 clone wars EU for all eternity.
ALL EU is an ever expanding universe. Their have been hundreds of retcons in the past couple decades and this will continue for as long as star wars is popular. You are fighting the very nature of star wars and this only proves how much you misunderstand what star wars is.
If GL wanted star wars history as absolute as you try to make it then the levels of canon would not exist. Their would not be retcons, their would not be a keeper of the holocron and their would be no EU for you to get all whinny about. I don't like a lot of things the clone wars has done and I like a lot of things they have done. I don't like it starting so early in the war and making Anakin a knight so soon but I also don't like misinformation or lies about what is being done. We must see the good contribution as well as the bad.
Ozzy has a point on this, Delta. You don't have to always listen too Leeland Chee if it doesn't sounds right or make you happy.