Dagovax Sirrianus have been working on Spain this day! image - Total War : 1942 mod for Rome: Total War
This total overhaul of Rome:Total War is based upon the Second World War. It contains historical battle locations on different fronts.
Yes, Dagovax has been spending the day adding the new faction of the "Spanish State" - which were the official name of Franco-Spain after the Civil War and during WW2 etc.
We discussed what the final faction should be, and the contenders were- Brazil, Spain, South Africa, Greece, Saudi Arabia and the Netherlands.
We decided against changing the start-date, and while Dagovax were about to add Greece as a revolutionary faction, it was decided against because of the issue with having no areas, and the fact Yugoslavia had been cut for similar reasons as well as the fact that the spawning script for the faction would cause the game to crash.
Brazil would attack the United Nations and as that faction should never be killed off, we decided against adding Brazil. The United Nations is the Roman Senate, and should never be killed off because of this - as it keeps the allies in the Alliance. The new name for the UN is the "League of Nations".
Saudi Arabia would be a new allied nation and would unhistorically attack France and Britain in the Middle-East. The Netherlands were also ockupied by this point in the war..
As such Spain were the final choice, Sweden being mentioned as well as a neutral faction - the most logical faction to add were the Spanish State as more Axis Powers were needed. And they were a main power.
Fantastic job, guys! I really appreciate your entire job. Just one thing: Spain wasn't the ''axis powers faction''. Spain was neutral during the WW2, because of economical problems and devasted country after years of political instability and civil war. The Axis-Spanish diplomatic relations were very complicated.
For example: Franco decided to negociate a economical support from Germany and abolishing the embargo on his country with Roosevelt at the same time. He also wrote letters to Churchill, who tolerated Franco's rule, but Mussolini warned him to not participate in WW2 because ''Hitler is a maniac...He demanded a impossible things from me...Now I'm at war and now I can only win or lose. There is no turning back for me''. Hitler demanded to attack the Giblartar and cut the allies from mediterrean sea, but Franco answered to Hitler ''I don't know what can I achieve by conquering this piece of rock''. Eisenhower, as a president of United States said during conversation with Franco many years later that without his politics the ''Operation Torch would be impossible to succeed''.
Anyway, it would be interesting choice for player in this campaign: stay neutral, join allies or axis. At last, it's a game and we can change history!
I know that Spain were neutral, but they were still "Fascist" and Franco got into power thanks to Hitler and Mussolini.
In this game they would be allied to Hitler and Mussolini to try and prevent them from warring with each other, even though if they are all played by the AI then they will no doubt betray each other as the RTW AI is good at backstabbing. A shame there isn't two "Senates".
What i meant with them being "Axis" is that their sympathies would be with the Axis Powers, Spain also did send an entire division to Germany to help in the "crusade against Bolshevism".
Yep, obviously all the Neutral factions in this mod will need to be at war - otherwise there wouldn't be a point having them playable. I've playtested as Spain and as long as Portugal has it's Capital the other Axis will try to take it. But if Spain conquers Lisboa then Germany will attack Spain. Currently the Total Diplomacy didn't work so i cannot force Germany into a peace agreement. I will review things after i'm done, but Spain starting with two settlements might be impossible against Germany who have 28, whereas 25 is in Europe.
But it's going well for the moment. Spain were fascist, and i believe Hitler helped them during the Civil War to gain a new ally in WW2 - but Franco did indeed let him down.
Sorry, but you're wrong. Franco would win the war without support of Hitler and Mussolini, but both sides knew that war would last much longer without foreign intervention. The arms were the main problem. Spain, as such wasn't the fascist state. It was something like authoritarian state, but not totalitarian. If we compare it to Germany the citizens weren't peresecuted due to their skin colour or believe. They were also able to buy foreign press and were more liberal according to the economical politics.
Spain was politically divided inside the Franco's camp, but most of his adivisers and Franco himself favorised neutrality. Playing ''cat and mouse'' with Hitler was only possibility. There was also a pro-axis faction, but after failed coup in Salamanca in 1937 Franco considered pro-German politicians are dangerous to Spanish independence and national's wealth.
I know about División Azul, it's interesting story. They were anti-communist but not pro-nazi. Many of former volunteers were critical due to politics of Nazi Germany in occupied zone.
Spain avoided being a puppet in foreign hands during the civil war. Unfortunatelly, Republic had fallen into the Soviet hands after May Days in Barcelona in 1937 because of internal divisions. Franco's Spain avoided that pityful fate. The Republic after 1937 was more communist that Franco's Spain fascist during it's entire existence.
And don't worry. I'm sure that you will due with everything well. True. A few Senates would be interesting: United Nations, Comintern and Anti-Comintern. That would be something great! Different storyline for each faction.
As far as i know Hitler and Mussolini provided ten times more troops in volunteers than what Soviet/America/Britain provided. So saying Hitler and Mussolini's help didn't matter in the civil war is simply wrong.
Maybe Franco would have won anyway, but it is likely he could have lost without the help provided.
Also, being Fascist has nothing to do with racist laws of Nazi Germany (that is nazism) as Italy also were Fascist but didn't persecute jews or others. Only political enemies to my knowledge.
So saying Spain wasn't fascist is wrong, Franco had a salute similar to that of Hitler and Mussolini as well.
The numbers are task of discuss. According to German historian Karl Ries and his book Legion Condor no more that 600 German soldiers served with Franco at one time. It was highest number at time. Most of soldiers were Spaniards in Franco's army, including Foreign Legion. The same with Italian CTV. The number of foreign volunteers from Italy was highest in 1937, considering 10000 soldiers in the entire Spain, who arrived. Soviet Union provided better tanks and aeroplanes and soviet advisors, who trained Spanish Republican Army in order to give the best support they could.
We don't know what will happen, it's alternate history. The theories would be even the craziest.
That's true. The presecutions of Jews started after German intervention in 1943. Many conservatists and socialists joined fascist party after Mussolini's march on rome. Mainly communists were persecuted. After that some left and right wing parties were divided internally: to cooperate with Mussolini or no.
Interesting fact: Franco had agreed for roman salute, but only shouting ''Long Live Spain or Arriba Espana'', otherwise it was considered a crime. Franco's army considered also monarchists, conservatists who were sceptical to far-right, but Falange dominated the political scene because it's program was attractive to both left and right wing elements. During one of his speeches Franco admitted that nor the proletarian fist nor the roman salute was a simbol of politics, but heart who loved Spain and shout ''Arriba Espana'' (see: Murray A. Speber- And I Remember Spain. Spanish Civil War Anthology).
Good luck with that. I keep my fingers crossed for your mod!
Thanks for the support, and we're happy that you enjoy the mod.
As a player you can play the Spanish State the way you want it, and ally with anyone of course. You can declare war on the Axis.
We won't agree on the topic of Spain being Fascist, but i guess you being Spanish it's impossible for you to have a differing opinion. The Japanese wouldn't agree with the Chinese neither.
I believe he's Polish and not Spanish, though he is quite obviously far right so that point about being biased still stands.
hes not far right. dont bring modern politics into a historical debate. it is quite obvious you dont fully grasp the situation in spain during ww2 so the point about u being a dumb sjw still stands
Keep up the good work guys, although - warning, this opinion is controversial - I would probably remove Spain and Free France to make room for another factions (emergent Yugoslavia maybe?) that played a bigger role in this war. Would not it also allow you to add more settlements to the map?
No we reached the maximum amount of factions and regions on the map. That's why we needed to free regions and add spain. We cant add Yugoslavia, because they were overrun by the time the campaign starts: 1942 - making it unhistorical.
So no Andorra? Awwwwwww
True, but I meant an emergent '44 Yugoslavia, totally historical. Spain could belong to ''Neutral'' faction (like rebels in vanilla rome) or you can leave big territories (like Brazil or Spain) empty. Yugoslavia fought more than Spain in ww2 ;)
Mod can be set in 1942 but I think I saw Tiger 2 and Maus tanks, very '44 and '45 like.
We originally intended for Yugoslavia to be emergent, and they were in the mod without an army - but the mod crashed whenever they were spawning. The scripts can't handle the "emerging faction"-feature.
We decided to replace Yugoslavia with Hungary because of the CTD.
Mod starts in 1942 and continues on to 1953. So having Maus and other stuff from 1943-1953 is not a problem.
Even though i do think the Chinese shouldn't have 1950's tanks in the starting year of 1942.
Where is Yugoslavia in Total War 1942 Mod?
Yugoslavia in WORLD WAR 1941 - 1944
Please add Yugoslavia
Yugoslavia was occupied in 1942, thus not making it in the mod