Command & Conquer: Tiberian Odyssey - A total conversion for C&C Tiberian Sun developed by the Tiberian Odyssey team. Tiberian Odyssey takes place 11 years after Tiberian Sun: Firestorm in the year 2041 and portrays own unique vision of a greatly expanded Tiberian Universe. Experience a brand new story told through an innovative and interactive campaign where your decisions as a commander will have a direct effect on the path you take and outcome of the war. Enjoy many new features such as; highly improved graphics, new and revamped sound effects, a completely new and unique musical score and an entirely new set of multiplayer maps to play on including different game styles and game modes. Tiberian Odyssey will be a 100% standalone game and will require no additional CnC games or discs to run. The Tiberian Odyssey project has been in development for over 5 years and does not follow any of the events seen in C&C 3 and is in no way related to it.

Report RSS Bulletin 5/12/2015

A quick summary of some of the things we've been doing.

Posted by on


It's time for a development blog! Complaining ahead!

Hello internet, how is everyone doing today? Given the three month delay on updates, you'd be forgiven for thinking we'd all got too busy with real life to work on ol' Tiberian Odyssey. And while there's certainly the occasional grain of truth in that line of reasoning, it would be a grave error in judgement to mistake us for a corpse.

Since the last update, GDI's Firestorm generator has been added to the game not once but twice, Nod got a few bits and pieces of new unit art to fix some issues, the interior tileset leapt towards completion, the snow theatre got a few new assets, the process of creating a finalised main menu has begun, the AI rewrite is on the way to completion, and act 1 of both the GDI and Nod campaigns have continued to be worked on.

The Firestorm Generator was a bit of a bastard to get working. Not because the logics are all that complex - they're pretty much hardcoded in the engine so there's not much to do there - but because the Tiberian Sun engine was built by crazy people. Here is the F-Gen as I originally designed it:


A render of the TO Firestorm Generator, with Powerplant for scale.


Which is fine, and I was happy enough with it to animate it and convert all the required files into game-ready formats. Are you seeing the issue with the art yet? Because I didn't. The problem was that the foundation of the structure was 4x2. TS has a foundation defined for 2x2. It has one defined for 3x2 and for 2x3. It has one defined for 2x4. It does NOT have one defined for 4x2. A fact I only became aware of after finishing the art for the building.

Bugger.

So we were presented with a few choices:
1) Ignore the issue and try shuffling the building into a place on the canvas where it looks okay on a 3x2 foundation. This option was the easiest, but also the worst looking and generally the least desirable. But having spent so long on the art it was almost preferable to the other options which both just opened whole new cans of worms.
2) Rework the building to be only 3 tiles long. I didn't like that option because it would probably mean chopping out the middle region of the building, messing with the proportions, and making an already weird looking building look even weirder.
3) Flip the building, rework it slightly so that the shapes and shadows look okay, remake the animations, and re-render/re-convert everything to fit the 2x4 foundation which TS CAN use.

The Firestorm Generator in its natural habitat, powering some walls (the wall art wasn't fixed up yet).


This is a common set of options, since every graphic has the chance to have an unforseen issue from time to time. Usually it's not on such a fiddly and complex object, and usually the issue isn't as confusingly specific as this odd coding decision by the Westwood devs.

We went with option 3. It took a while, and I still prefer the appearance of the building in its original orientation, but it's probably worth it to have a structure which looks the part and doesn't have any clearly cut corners. It took hours of rebuilding and sadness, and at one point I decided that I was going to take a much deserved two week break from the whole modding debacle (I was back within half an hour).

Compared to all that, finishing up the Firestorm Walls was a breeze. It took a little bit of creative cutting and pasting, but we got there in the end. It's a huge load off my mind knowing that it's all finished.


Left: Firestorm walls running through a reclaimed area, protecting the GDI Air Scrubbers.
Right: A Firestorm Generator, mirrored and rebuilt to fit Tiberian Sun's weird engine.


On the Nod side of things, there have only been a few real changes. The late game aspects of Nod are still a little bit unfocused, with some questions remaining on how the tech tree should operate, the role of vein harvesting, and things like that. Nod's mid-late game bomber, the Viper, got a slightly updated look. Its size was increased to match the early game Harpy and the design was iterated upon to give it a more science-fiction-y, VTOL feel. The Banshee has been remodeled to be a bit bigger and more detailed, but maybe too much so - it'll be being shrunk down a little soon enough.


Nod's airforce now matches each other, and the wider Nod unit set. Since they move pretty fast even at the slower speeds, it's hard to adequately capture them in stills.


The Devil's Tongue got a much more complete overhaul. The flamethrowers were shifted to be more central on the unit, the armour was beefed up, the unit as a whole has been made significantly taller and larger to fit its late game slot, and the burrowing mechanisms have been totally replaced with a similarly blunt maw to the original (but composed of multiple drills rather than a pair of rollers). This helps to set it apart from the Subterranean APC which uses roughly the same design as Tiberian Sun, and makes it generally more imposing on the battlefield. it's a weird, slightly different design. I think that it still captures the essence of Tiberian Sun's pyromaniac shoebox though.


That is all I can fit into a single post without losing track, check back next time as we delve deep into the underground bunkers and facilities of Tiberian Odyssey, and perhaps explore the icy wastes too.

Also, I see it's MOTY time again. I'm not big on campaigning because Tiberian Odyssey is my hobby and I'm here to have fun, so vote or don't - I'm not your mother. Do what you like, have fun, happy modding!

Comments
ApornasPlanet
ApornasPlanet

Nice with an update! I was wondering how you were doing.

Even though you're not that happy with the FS Gen I think it looks good enough.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+5 votes
Dutchygamer
Dutchygamer

I like the new Shoebox of Death design. Looks really menacing with those grinders and the flamethrowers in the middle. Have you changed the weapon so it can properly climb up slopes or is it still WiP?

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Nuttah
Nuttah

Shiny!
And Hot!
Also, planes, but I rather look at those with my own eyes.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Isaac_The_Madd
Isaac_The_Madd

In any case the firestorm looks amazing even though it is better as 4x2 instead of 2x4 Westwood only planned for how they would use things.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Milanium
Milanium

You forgot option 4) Go with an alternative engine: Openra.net which doesn't have weird hard-coded limits. Plus.google.com

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Orac| Author
Orac|

OpenRA is always an option, but the time requirements involved in shifting at this late stage are a serious barrier to entry. And rebuilding all the code for a new engine could just be too much of a headache.

Reply Good karma+4 votes
Milanium
Milanium

Automated rule conversion might be a way to speed things up. Ppmforums.com

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Orac| Author
Orac|

That is very interesting. For now I think development will continue in the TS engine because we know it very well (especially Morpher). When there's a break between major tasks I will consider playing with OpenRA and seeing what roadblocks there'd be for converting the project.

If OpenRA sorts out its voxel lighting I will be very interested.

Reply Good karma+3 votes
pchote
pchote

Could you clarify what you mean about voxel lighting? It is completely configurable in the mod rules, and all the feedback we've heard about it before this comment has been positive.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Orac| Author
Orac|

I haven't actually tried using voxels in OpenRA, but every screenshot I've seen has shown them lacking the definition of shape which the TS and RA2 engines gave. Of course, TS and RA2 lit their voxels terribly, but the contrast between normal direction facings was strong enough to define the contours and edges of units really well.

That said, the actual drawing of voxels in OpenRA is waaaay better, and the shadows look nicer (and the turrets cast shadows). The lack of internal contrast bothers me though, can that be tweaked in the rules?

Reply Good karma+2 votes
pchote
pchote

Yup. There are parameters for setting the average light intensity / color (LightAmbientColor), the contrast (LightDiffuseColor), and the direction (LightPitch/LightYaw). Our TS is still a WIP, so there are a lot of polish issues such as improving these default values that haven't been looked at yet.

You can see all the tweakable parameters for voxel rendering at Github.com

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
Orac| Author
Orac|

Oh that's awesome! Your work on this is staggering, I'll definitely check this all out.

Reply Good karma+4 votes
Templarfreak
Templarfreak

The Firestorm Defense is honestly one of the most, if not the most, interesting and unique defensive mechanics in RTS history and is also one of my favorites. Glad to finally see the render to this. :)

I wish the concept would be played around with more in other RTS', though.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+1 vote
Guest
Guest

Ohhhhhh... you got rid of the subterranean Cadillac. :(

Reply Good karma Bad karma+2 votes
LordofGilneas
LordofGilneas

Budget cuts and personal heartbreak for subterranean cadillac dealers everywhere. :p

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
LordofGilneas
LordofGilneas

good to see this project is still alive :D

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
HorribleGoat
HorribleGoat

Very Vey cool! Them Nod Air units! Beautiful!

Reply Good karma Bad karma+3 votes
Nyerguds
Nyerguds

Where's option #4, "hack the game and add the 4x2 foundation"? Can't be THAT hard.

Reply Good karma Bad karma+4 votes
Orac| Author
Orac|

Huh. Yeah, never really thought of that. Would probably have been an option worth considering, though now that the art has all been remade its kind of a moot point :P

Reply Good karma+2 votes
Post a comment
Sign in or join with:

Only registered members can share their thoughts. So come on! Join the community today (totally free - or sign in with your social account on the right) and join in the conversation.

Follow Report Profile
Icon
C&C: Tiberian Sun
Contact
Send Message
Homepage
Ppmsite.com
Release date
Mod watch
Follow
News
Browse
News
Report
Report
Share
Related Games
C&C: Tiberian Sun
C&C: Tiberian Sun Real Time Strategy
Related Groups
Got it!

We have recently updated our privacy policy and terms of use in-line with GDPR requirements. More Info?