Nigger Thread

Recently while reading the paper when bored @ work I came across a story that basically made me feel sick.

A guy called a cop a nigger, due to this he was taken to court and jailed for 6months. What bothers me - if the guy the officer was talking to was black and called the cop a nigger nothing would have happened.

Isnt this a double standard. Either stop using the word altogether or stop sueing while people for using it.

thats a bad issue that will probly not go away for a very long time

This comes down to people anticipating what might offend others.

There's always going to be things which you can feel comfortable hearing from some people but not from someone else.

If you go out of your way to be nice, polite and generally accommodating, then it's not really an issue.

If everyone decides to be nice, polite and generally accommodating, think of what a nice place the world would be.

Anyone seen rush hour 1?

Yes, relavence?

'Whas up my nigger' does that quote spark a memory?

definitely a double standard, but you have to take it in context. If the tone of the voice obviously has it so it is meant to be derogatory, then of course people will take offense. But if it used casually, eg. "Whas up..." Then you know the other doesn't have cruel intentions at heart.

Obviously, there will always be racial tension...and people will strive for political correctness. me, i've got no idea what to black person from america...i would call them "African-American", but then, i don't know whether that'd be offensive.

Matt

Well, in what context did he call the cop a nigger? How did he say it? It all depends on what the person means by it, if they mean anything at all.

I mean if a black person was talking to another one, nobody would care if one of them said 'hey nigger' to the other. But, as soon as a white person says 'hey nigger' to a black person, he's a racist.

It's a very big issue with some people, but with others, it's really not that big of a deal. I mean some people just take it very, very personally. If the person was being serious and you can obviously tell that he's being racist, I think that's wrong and you would be right to feel angry and wanting to smash the bastards head in, but, on the other hand, if he's just joking or muckin around, to me, it wouldn't be that big of a deal - but as I said before, to others it would be, cos they just take it very personally.

For example, I'm from Poland right, and if someone was joking around about Hitler and him killing Polish people or whatever, I'd take it as a joke and not be bothered about it at all. However, some people from Poland would be very offended. It's all about your background and how you were raised.

Greg

I'm sick of this double standard thing. It was recommended that I didn't make the evil guy in my mystery story (I hate English coursework...) coloured, because it would suggest (and I quote) "All coloured people are evil". I seem to recall somebody wanting racial equality a while ago, I'm sure that includes good and bad things happening.

I don't think the person here was actually trying to sound nice, and was very interested in the officer's culture. Basicly, I think ( I THINK) he was just trying to offend the officer. It's not a double standard, it's just a standard: offensing an officer is illegal. IF the person was black himself, he OBVIOUSLY couldn't be offensive, because he would be offending himself too that way.

example: If _I_ would call you a retard, that would DEFINETLY be an offend.
I someone with the Down syndrom however asked you if you are retarded, that would NOT be an insult.

NO double standard, just the law.

to a certain extent i agree...never try to be smart to a police officer, because unless they are corrupt, we should respect law enforcers.

But going back the other way, you'd expect respect from the police officer. but the thing is, usually when you run into a policeofficer, you've broken the law...

this probably made absolutely no sense

Kind of made some. It's like the Bradford Riots (Big racial riots if you don't know). Afterwards loads of the coloured people involved (98.4% of the rioters) started saying the sentences were too harsh because they were coloured and 'releasing racial tension'. At which point everybody white turned round and basically said if they wanted racial equality they can take the same punishments.

it is definatly a double standard, i mean honestly my opinion is that people should be allowed to say what they please without penality. They are afterall just words and people when mad can say anything, I for one am guilty of this as I assume we all are.... if you have an opinion on something share it, unfortunatly in this day and age, you get sued and everything is taken to heart so i think my idea will never eventuate ahh well

Yes, I agree with INtense!. We have this little thing in America called the Constitution which grants us freedom of speech. Six months in jail for saying something is ridiculous and unconstitutional. This isn't the USSR, we can't go to jail for saying something. This guy either has a bad lawyer, the case is in the process of appeal, or did something else as well (like resisting arrest).

INtense! wrote: an opinion on something share it, unfortunatly in this day and age, you get sued and everything is taken to heart so i think my idea will never eventuate ahh well

absolutely. everyone's first reaction is to sue. Sure there are some cases when suing is the correct option, but other times, its just people trying to get a few extra $$. People trying to sue Maccas because they didn't get warnings the food was unhealthy. C'Mon, it doesn't take a rocket scientist to realise that Maccas is unhealthy.

And people just making claims left right and centre. Sexual abuse!. Take the swimming coach in Australia. Charges were dropped after new evidence, but the damage has been done already. His reputation has been shot after the allegations...

The legal system is absolutely ridiculous. Something needs to be done so that people can't just sue anyone for stupid reasons. I mean the judges in these cases really need to not only look at the law, cos sometimes that has loopholes, but just use common-sense.

I mean take the Macca's case. Every person who is trying to sue them knows and knew before they bought the food that it wasn't good for you. It's unhealthy, contains high amounts of fat - I mean what do they expect? But yet, they argue that they didn't know to what extent the unhealthiness of the food was - that's just bulls**t - all they are trying to do is get a quick $$, as Matty said.

How about that 60 Minutes clip that your group showed in Marketing Matty, I mean look at that fat bastard:

60 wrote:
Interviewer: So what are you trying to get from McDonald's?
Fat Guy: Compensation for the pain and suffering they have caused.
Interviewer: In what form?
Fat Guy: Umm...like maybe a million dollars.

Dickhead!! I'm sorry, but that just makes me laugh - it's so ridiculous that it's funny. If he wins this case, I dunno, but I'm gonna take action against this insane legal state that we are in (note: likeliness of action occuring minimal)- enough's enough!! I can't believe it hasn't been thrown out of the courts yet.

Greg

- Edited By liquid On Thu 19th, Sep 2002 @ 11:49pm

yeah. people need to take responsibility for their actions. Sure, sue Maccas if you bite into your burger and there's a *needle in it, but don't sue just because you drank the coffee and it was a bit too hot.

- Edited By azz0r On Sun 22nd, Sep 2002 @ 1:44am

Exactly Matty - some people would do anything at the expense of others for a bit of dosh.

Just an example with me, I sometimes buy orange juice in bottles right and I bought Krusta's OJ once and at the end of it, I poured the last glass and out came this weird looking thing. It was about 2cm by 1cm, thin, but kinda curved. I had no idea what the hell it was, very weird looking indeed I tell you.

Anywho, I sent a letter to Kresta with the weird lookin thing inside asking them to explain what it is and how it could have got there. About two or three weeks later, some dude from Kresta calls and says that he got my letter and that he has no idea what it is and how it got there. We were talking for a bit and I was saying I just want to know what it is, cos you don't want to see these things in your drink. He said he's gonna investigate it and see how it got into the bottles and at what stage of their drink making process.

So yeah, that's that. Since, I have heard nothing, so I don't really know if they bothered to do anything at all, which gives me the sh**ts, but at least he gave me a call once. This was about one or two months ago.

Anywho, my point is, some people would go straight to the courts and try to sue the hell out of Krusta for like some crazy figure of one million dollars or more, saying they endured months of pain and suffering and mental instability - which is all just crazy talk.

I mean sure, if it was a dead rat or a piece of s**t, I might consider asking for some compensation, but it was not that freaky.

And if you are wondering, I know buy another Daily Juice OJ.

Ciao,
Greg

liquid wrote: The legal system is absolutely ridiculous. Something needs to be done so that people can't just sue anyone for stupid reasons.

They should be able to sue for whatever reason they want... if they lose they have to pay court costs and all.

liquid wrote: So yeah, that's that. Since, I have heard nothing, so I don't really know if they bothered to do anything at all, which gives me the sh**ts, but at least he gave me a call once. This was about one or two months ago.

hehe, reminds me of the time i found a fly in my bread. It had been baked into the crust, and had been cut in half. totally disgusting, but i just chucked the bread out, and avoided that brand for a while

We've been discussing what I call the Claims Direct Hypothesis, a modulation of Murphy's law. It basically states that if there is even a vague chance of suing for something, then somebody will do it.

The main topic (my thoughts)

i remember a somewhat recent episode of bernie mac where it dealed with the word n*****. he totally went out and finnaly said what everyone has thought-ITS JUST A WORD. its just like posting the word f*** (but i dont wanna b banned) without anything after it. it has no meaning until used in context. inappropriate is using it to insult someone or vulgarity. but ppl get uptight even when its used in a harmless manner like i was talking about blazing saddles (the begining has n***** as an insult though) but my friend totaly got uptight and nervous about it, but it not like im rascist i just see it as a word and i did respect him when he asked me not to use it, but come on this is the 21st century ppl should just grow up!

-note- i used the word n***** not to sound like a hippicrit but to respect other poeple who might take offense and if you are here it is again, GROW UP!

sueing

the more i watch judge judy the more i realize there are some real a**holes out there. they sue over the smallest things like "the internet wouldnt give me what i was looking for so im suing aol for false advertising" COME ON! sueing should b for important things. quite wating the time of others just to get a measley amount of money. they could've spent the time and energy earning the money or getting a degree or whatever.

Judge Judy...i hate that woman...and i use the term woman very loosely.

i think that ppl have gotten too politically correct
if anything might even possibly offend someone, u cant say it
i think that yes, its not a good thing to insult someone vulgarly (and if ur using vulgar words insultingly, then, like my parents say, growup, expand ur vocabulary, and think of somethin creative to say
as for this next portion, no offense is meant to anyone:
(so i dont get sued :rueful smilie:)
There is a differance between yelling at someone "Ur a fucking asshole, you fucker!" and sayin it meanly (or whatever), and when ur friend jacks ur pencil, and saying "u fucker" and saying it lightly, sorta jokingly
same thing with nigger
if it is used in anger, or degradingly, then yes, it could be counted offensive, but if it is lightly said, then it shouldnt b offensive (come on ppl, lighten up and get a f'in sense of humor, will ya?)
to incorporate the racism thing and suing, i feel the combination of those at my school
our school district just recently lost a 7.4 million dollar lawsuit to a group of black families, because someone scratched KKK in the stall, so some kid took offence to it, and now we have to come up with all the funds for sports and clubs, because some stupid kid decided that he was offended by 3 letters that he just happened to see!
some ppl are rather pathetic, and dont care where the money they win comes from, or what happens as a result of that money, but it isnt as if the money just appears out of nowhere

wow, im done now

hi i have just joined this site.

this is for black people only preferably to respond to - i am scottish and have lived in london uk for 15 years. among my friends are those close to me from all countries of all religions, ethnic bakgounds etc etc - i appreciate the culture of all countries and am surprised at the racism i have seen down here - especially the white english who pretend that they are not racist in public - but will not let their children play with non white children.
you would think that being white scottish i would not be alble to talk about racism but i can assure each and every one of you that there is still a hatred of scottish people by some english people and in particular it seems from people who have some distant connection with scotland, but who are no longer scottish - they want to be one i think!
anyhow - i used the term "nigger" to describe a white middle class woman and i admit that the word was used in anger as I was being verbally attacked in public and this lady was acting in a peculiar manner waving her arms about and gesticulating wildly. her behaviour made me very surprised as this lady is a picture of english reespectability - a cloak for the true self she hides! however, I wanted her to stop this behaviour and was stuck for a word- she reminded me of one of the wild black american women one tends to see on a late night show such as gerry springer - one of these delightfully verbally fluent ladies whose presence takes up the whole room. i do not know what to call these women as we dont see them in britain - not even the black women - this is not how black people behave here at all - well none that ive seen - anyhow i said "stop acting like a...a....a..... and then said "nigger". I did not mean this as an insult to black people - the lady herself is white - I was referring specifically to her behaviour and could not think of any other word. had she been black then i would never have considered using this word, i would have assumed that her "culture" was showing and not really been surprised by the behaviour. however this lady was acting in a manner which to me was so uncharacterist that the word came out.
Everyone has gone silent on me when I try to bring it up = apart from my black friends who know that without a doubt i am not racist - they like me for being just the way I am - always ready to hekp another person in any stuggle - regardless or colour or creed.

So, here it is - i am opening myself up to be criticised by you = I want honest opinions though, not just insults for this very bad choice of words.

bear in mind that scottish people are called sweaties dpwn here,cockney ryhming slang = sweaty socks = jocks = scottish people. this word sounds far more insulting than "nigger" which to me, means a person who's roots are of the african culture.

speak to me folks enlighten me on your opinions and bear in mind my confession to this whole forum
reagrds
mystic mandala

- Edited By mysticmandala On Tue 4th, Feb 2003 @ 1:58:22am